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| BlackKite | Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:43 am Post #776 |
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I just got to check the topic again, but the discussion on liking or hating characters are a bit off-topic, so I'd advise to move it to the General Discussion board. Regarding NPCs though, I think the good thing should be that all pilots from non-official series should be playables. Heck even Schwarz & Cecily (& Lunamaria until last game) who still haven't gotten their actual suits are still playable here. So if Ali Al-Saachez is getting in he'll be playable for sure. ![]() If there are more NPC pilots to be added, most likely they'll be for fillers in Official mode, like the M1 Astray girls in SEED, the DOM Troopers in SEED-D, or the new Tri-Stars in Unicorn. Oh and since MSG's 1st episode is also confirmed, we might as well add Denim & Gene there as well. lol Speaking about that though, I think it's about time they make Fa Yuiry playable. They went over the trolling borderline in GW3 when Fa was also there in the relationships list and also have a relation mission, but she was still not playable... |
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| ★TENBATSU×SENSOU★ | Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:55 pm Post #777 |
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Just going to leave this here: http://www.play-asia.com/shin-gundam-musou-paOS-13-49-en-70-71m1.html?ref=sp_477§ion=N210500283 Well this is fantastic news! Guess I need to really try and get and beat the third one.... I know, I know shame on me for not having it already.
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| DoUbLe Zz Mk2 | Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:29 pm Post #778 |
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100 with u on this!!!
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| Re4_Wesker | Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:36 pm Post #779 |
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Antagonist?
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I never understood why these characters weren't playable to begin with. They have lines already and all it would take is a few extra stats. They can't honestly tell me that Lacus can be playable while characters like Fa and the Black Tri Stars are just sitting around as not playable. Then's there Johnny Ridden, Chan, Kayra, .....Hathaway....., and Rezin from 2 and they were all not playable either. Heck both Johnny and Rezin's suits were playable but not the pilots themselves. All they would really need is a few extra lines of coding and away we go. |
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| DoUbLe Zz Mk2 | Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:40 pm Post #780 |
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Everyone has there wishes, but it all boils down to majority fan favorites, most of wich are in japan. Sure some of these side characters or vilians may have cool side stories in novels or if u looks it up, but if they werent seen that much on the big screen, didnt have an appealing machine to a big enough audience, and or didnt do anything to flashy or appealing to the audience then there &*%$ outa luck! Heck u might say some are lucky to make it in as an operator let alone a NPC! Fighting games that steal the attention away from the characters actual story always do this! Heck were all fans and no the stories, but the bigger audience whole will be buying the game for the fighting, maybe a bit will like the story, but the actual characters background will go next to unoticed if they arent cool enough! Pretty much a majority rules thing in character and machine selections! IMO
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| JDogindy | Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:48 pm Post #781 |
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Tyrox, if you're referring to the comparisons between SEED and 00, what about Team Trinity? Are they closer to the Extended Pilots or the Druggie Trio, and was Nena really an expy of Flay? |
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| tyrox9 | Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:28 pm Post #782 |
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Lol. lacus being playable was pure fan service to her huge fan base. Still, should at least have gaia of the BTS playable imo. Ummm... i guess the trinities are a bit more like the Extendeds, since they have Calm Leader, Brash jerk, and psycho lady set up. buuuut I find having a trio of villains designed to essentially just be extra meat is a little more vague to count against 00 for copying Destiny. i mean, thats been around since the beginning and so on. Black Tri Stars, the Yazan Team, Corins Team, Druggies, Phase 2 Extended, The Destiny Black Tri Stars (a heroic version). maybe you can count it, since all they did was emulate that exact same character formula as the Phase 2 Extendeds. trust me, there is more than what I listed that 00 just took from the CE. |
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| Ma Su | Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:01 am Post #783 |
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I'd like to see a massive overhaul of the movesets. Am I the only one who thinks that the "Grunt/Peon" Suits should be just as capable in the right hands? They have one, easily evaded, normal string and no charge attacks. There's just no reason for that shoddy design... Now, if this has been remedied somehow in DWG3 forgive me, I only have DWG2. As far as characters, I'd still love to see Desert Rommel and his Dwadge Reformation. But that just won't happen.
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| Cydge | Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:37 am Post #784 |
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Wanderer
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Grunt movesets were somewhat corrected. With the skill Instant Hero, some grunts are nice. Edit: Viable in regular Challenge Missions (not sure for the harder ones or for giant MA). @Salt: Giant MA fights are dealt defferently in DWG3, no more smash. Edited by Cydge, Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:24 am.
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| Ma Su | Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:44 am Post #785 |
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I am more than aware of instant hero. It doesn't help them as a viable MS for missions with giant enemies and allies who have to survive. (Don Quijote Extra Mission anyone? or how about the one where you have to defeat Quess in the Alpha Azieru, on a high difficulty stage, on hard, in Gyunei's Jagd Doga, WITH NO SMASH ATTACK!!!) We are still lacking what they truly need to be viable. |
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| Re4_Wesker | Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:53 am Post #786 |
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Instant Hero + Small Giant should solve most problems. As for smash attacks, It all depends if they even bring them back next game. they weren't in 3 and the entire way you dealt with Giant enemies due to this was altered. |
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| wodash | Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:11 am Post #787 |
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another obvious similarity with Wing is that at halfway through the story, all 5 protagonist robot are badly damaged or was unusable anymore and thus needed a complete overhaul, and they still find a way to use the original protagonist robots far into the story in one final moment to shine(Exia Repair, and regular Wing Gundam, who was used by lady Une)
yes, GM2 was pretty easy and yet still challenging, i had no problem facing MA's using class3's there, still remember a mission where i have to use a Gaza C(or was it Gouff?) to beat a Devil Gundam fixed of hard diff, didn't really matter with the right skills, and you can replicate the smash attack "attack chance" window by using the SP attack at the right moment, the enemy will somtimes become stunned and open for attack IIRC but yeah, they have ditched the whole smash attack idea and went to a more generic system in GM3 so that everyone had a same chance when fighting MA's, though it would've been nice if they still added the smashs attacks as an extra charge attack for the gundams who USED to have it... Edited by wodash, Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:24 am.
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| Ma Su | Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:50 am Post #788 |
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That would be the Gyan in Don Quijote, Wodash. Also, Small Giant doesn't keep your idiot allies alive, I just think that a smash attack isn't too much to ask. Do MAs function like in DWG2 in DWG3? I'm just curious. |
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| wodash | Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:01 am Post #789 |
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nah, i'm pretty sure i was using a Gaza or Gouff and the stage were the texas colony(with those giant exhaust fans) i don't think allies really matter, they kept using their SP attacks long with me so it kinda helps a bit in stunning the enemy and no, MA's work differently in GM3 as i said before, it now has a stun lifebar like those you find on House of the Dead games, empty that and they will be stunned like getting hit by a smash attack(plus you can pick one body part and destroy it permanently at this point, weakening them) using little giant bypasses that armor gauge and lets you to hit them like a normal enemy stronger class 1 MS'es(like Unicorn and all of the ones that has really rapid projectile attacks) also doesn't need little giant and can directly damage it without problem |
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| Ma Su | Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:21 am Post #790 |
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Texas Colony was the site of Don Quijote, but perhaps there was another stage as well. Yes, but the Dark Gundam, at least in 2 (though I have gathered that it was nerfed in 3), can put out a massive amount of damage in a wide area, and this spells death for the A.I. whose primary function is "Hey what is that?" Sorry I missed your summaries (Damn, a whole bunch of you edited it into your posts) on the functionality of MA's, I really need to read more carefully huh? |
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| JDogindy | Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:34 pm Post #791 |
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Now that I can actually type a lengthy post, I might want to add my two cents on the whole "I don't like this guy, but I like this other guy" discussion that we have somehow wandered into. As a general whole, I don't try to show bias for or against individuals in the franchise because I know who is supposed to be who, but when it comes to specific series of Gundam, I will admit I show bias for certain characters in a "pro" and "con" sense. For example, with AGE, I really didn't care about anyone in particular, but I could not stand Desil Galette or Kio Asuno. Desil's is obvious... he was a creep. In Kio's case, he represented the other extreme opinion that each Asuno had about the Vagans, which was that Flit wanted them annihalated, Asemu knew there were jerks in the ranks but not every Vagan is at fault, while Kio whined about the Vagans and how mean his own people were to them. 00? Oy, the only characters I cared about were Team Trinity, Descartes Shaman from the film (if only because I loved Gadelaza), and Mina Carmine (since... she was only created to service the people that watched 00 for Nena). It wasn't that I hated everybody else (though there are a few that I do hate, such as Ali), but I could not get into Celestial Being, and as a villain, Ribbons Almark proved to be grossly incompetent, so I couldn't do a "Rooting For the Empire" thing if I wanted to. For some unknown reason, I only cared about what the Trinities did, and it wasn't just because of the gal. I actually found their methods, albeit extremely cruel, to be a more effective measure of eradicating war, yet in the show's context, they were somehow the worst individuals of them all (though, for the record, I don't try to defend Nena's actions... I just wish people would stop it with the torches and pitchforks, however). And, really, all of the other major villains got off lightly for their crimes, so there was also disproportionate retribution where people that did minor infractions got their guts torn out while people that killed thousands per day either got a quick death or escaped a deserving fate. Oh, and that's the other than that annoyed me about 00. Every installment does get preachy towards the end about its main beliefs, but 00 was the one where it literally hammered them over the heads of everybody (such as "Even if the person deserved it, don't kill them for revenge... but it's perfectly okay to give them a chance, and if they refuse, then you can blast them"), and this continued into the film ("Peace can only be achieved through understand, and not war, which was why Descartes had to die"). Oh, and seeing as how this discussion started out over M'Qeve and the Gyan, let me add a quick bit: he was an effeminite guy, and not that great of a pilot, but he matters due to the fact that he was the first individual that pushed the limits of the Gundam, meaning that Amuro and company would have to realize that they didn't have a technological edge and that their battle against Zeon forces would still be an uphill climb. Edited by JDogindy, Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:44 pm.
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| BlackKite | Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:03 pm Post #792 |
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![]() Just a reminder once more: Discussions on 'hating or liking characters' should be better moved to the General Gundam board. It's getting more lengthy, and it is also not too related with this game itself, so it's better to bring it elsewhere. Thank you |
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| SazukeEX | Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:27 pm Post #793 |
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Behold Sun Shi! The Fiery Tiger Cub of Sun Ce, Lu Xun's Tigress, and the Mother Tiger of Lu Kang!
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So, any word on Chan Agi being playable for CCA stuff? |
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| BlackKite | Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:13 pm Post #794 |
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^ No infos on her yet I'm afraid ^^;; Though since they've focused on introducing Official mode last week, I wonder if that means they should be unveiling Ultimate mode next. And my hunch is that when they do, it should be time that they reveal some of the non-Official series roster. Perhaps it could be something like 'Wing & 00 protagonists appearing in full group'? Don't quote me on that though
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| Ma Su | Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:02 pm Post #795 |
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I really hope Rezin and her Geara Doga make it in. There just isn't enough love for the side characters though. I also think that if Hathaway gets in, that the should make him Mafty as well, complete with Xi Gundam. I mean, does no one else think that if Bright makes it in that having him and his son go from father and son on the same side to enemies would make wonderful character growth? |
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| Zeik Liberated | Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:12 pm Post #796 |
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I highly doubt we will get anything as exotic as Hathaway's Flash in here, the only manga with any kind of chance is still like Crossbone or Astray and maybe the CCA upgrades as extra suits. And I'm still hugely doubtful we will see those when they haven't sorted out all of the major shows casts yet... I also don't see side characters get any more love this installment than they have in the past, they will be quick filler adds if anything like in DWG2/3 |
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| Ma Su | Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:14 pm Post #797 |
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Thank you for your opinion, but I really don't care that you don't like side characters, without them there would be no story, no one for the heroes to triumph over, and no one for them to grieve for. I am mostly basing my hopes for Mafty off of the fact that Hathaway himself is fairly popular. |
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| SazukeEX | Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:29 pm Post #798 |
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Behold Sun Shi! The Fiery Tiger Cub of Sun Ce, Lu Xun's Tigress, and the Mother Tiger of Lu Kang!
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I really hope Ultimate Mode isn't like the DWG3 story that was Setsuna and Ribbons + Guests. Also lame that very few characters interacted. Like how Lunamaria and Shinn don't acknowledge the other on the battlefield or the such. It was just a few core characters and everyone else acting as buffer. |
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| Zeik Liberated | Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:35 pm Post #799 |
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Whoa there... Where did I say I didn't like side characters? O_o I'm gonna love playing as the Druggies from Seed, I'm pulling for the Destiny Black tri-stars and there sick DOM to be in the game, I'd love to see Mashymre Cello and Rakan Dahkaran make it in as well. I'm just realistic with my hopes is all... |
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| Wild Lion | Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:01 am Post #800 |
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I'm not sure who you're trying to convince here. We don't make the game, so preach it to Koei. The reality is that side characters are SIDE characters. They get tossed to the side. Just the same as side stories, like Hathaway's Flash. If you want some crazy suits, then you're better off playing EXVS because Koei here likes to play it safe. And Hathaway being popular? Xi Gundam has some fans, but Hathaway himself doesn't seem to register on anyone's wishlists. He was pretty well hated in CCA by most of the fanbase as well iirc. Edited by Wild Lion, Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:02 am.
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