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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,301 Views)
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Since he isnt wearing the mask, we can call that CE73 Mwu. And technically, he didn't fully return to be Mwu la Flaga until the battle of Messiah, when he protected the Archangel from the Minerva's Tannhauser.

we already figured that was a Windam back there xD. But, nice close up picture :) it confirms it.

@ the altron theorist: prolly is a Windam Shield, but I kinda thought it looked like sandrocks cross crusher at first xD.
Edited by tyrox9, Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:10 pm.
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So Quess' Jagd Doga is returning? Then Rezin's Geara Doga probably will too!
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:59 pm
Well add Cherudim to the list (in the middle of 00 and hyaku shiki) :D
OMG Nice Find!!! :woot:
Yeah it's a bit hard to spot it, but if even Cherudim is spotted in, then it'd be very safe to assume that the rest -Arios & Seravee- will be there as well. ^_^

And yep, Jet Windam is also confirmed as grunt there
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Well, assuming that all DLC characters are in and series that aren't getting an Official Mode are maybe getting only one or two additions...

What do you think will be the next DLC mecha for this game?

Let's see, Beargguy is a first-print incentive DLC, so chances are that it will be available as priced DLC long after the game's release.

But if Beargguy will be a MS-only addition and they have no intentions of adding Rina Noyama, my hunch is that this time's DLCs will consist of MS only... which might open up the chance of seeing most requested MS variations.

Heck by looking at 2ch & Twitter, the things I see most wanted from the Eastern fanbase are the likes of Hi-Nu, EW vers of Wing Gundams, Exia and 00 Qan[T]..
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I would be very glad to see EW versions of the Wing suits myself, maybe Heavyarms would finally be good if it had 12 gats

Though since this is a compilation, (and so far it seems to be completely ignoring anything not in Official Mode) I highly doubt that would happen. They'll likely save the EW suits for the first game on the PS4.

A few years ago I would totally rule out any possibility of Hi Nu, but lately it's been getting a lot more attention from Bandai so I'd say it has a fair chance of getting a DLC spot.

Crossbones I see having the best chances. Those are pretty popular, don't really require any kind of story, they can use Cecily and Seabook, and are a big enough draw that they got like 4 versions in the EXVS games.
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DLC units this time around? mmmmaybe Hi-Nu, possibly an AGE unit. mmmmaybe. more Gunpla fighters could happen. Maybe Red or Blue Astray. or even better yet, X Astray or Dreadnought Gundam since red or blue more likely to make it in a game normally. Strike Noir or Stargazer I can see.

Only Wing unit, or rather EW, I see possibly being added (besides Class 3 mooks) is Talgeese III since the EW versions of the gundams would offer nothing new compared to their real versions. I wouldnt mind some Talgeese action though, I like those units.

GP-03 + Dendro (as a Burst) and Neu Ziel would be the bomb. but I would honestly liek to see those added normally.
Edited by tyrox9, Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:27 am.
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I don't know about the EW versions not adding anything new. The Heavy Arms for example would have much more artillery to fire in its attacks; if they do include the Heavy Arms EW version, I suspect we'll be getting both a design and string/charge change. The changes on the Deathscythe and the Wing Gundam however would probably be more aesthetic than anything. That being said, I prefer the EW versions of the Gundam Wing series with Wing Zero being the only exception to that. The Sandrock in EW > The Sandrock in the actual anime airing.

That being said, I don't think they'll be added as DLC. A Gundam AGE unit or two, the Qan T, Exia, and the 0 Gundam are all the additions I can think of. I don't think they'll be adding DLCs for the older series IMO.
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If they added EW units, i think they would remove the normal versions. And if they were to do so, they'd have to EW version all their units, cant just do HAEW because it's the only one that actually changed some for the better.

WZ lost its bird Mode and Piledriver shield, so its actually losing stuff, which looking at what WZ does all day everyday is really bad thing to do. and take away it's gundanium armored wings and replaces them with chicken feathers.

DSH loses a blade on it's scythe.

Sandrock loses it's shield and therefore its Cross-Crusher.

Altron loses, like everything it wasnt holding onto.
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Not only that, but DSH also loses the Buster Shield, which means its C2 has to be changed.
And Heavyarms Custom also permanently loses the Army Knife... and I don't think they'll use the easter-egg beam saber either

In other words, a major moveset rehaul is needed if they're going the EW migration.

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So Quess' Jagd Doga is returning? Then Rezin's Geara Doga probably will too!
Yep, chances of all the cut CCA units this time are very good, not to also mention that it still has Official Story as well ^_^
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Not only that, but DSH also loses the Buster Shield, which means its C2 has to be changed.
And Heavyarms Custom also permanently loses the Army Knife...

In other words, a major moveset rehaul is needed if they're going the EW migration.

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So Quess' Jagd Doga is returning? Then Rezin's Geara Doga probably will too!
Yep, chances of all the cut CCA units this time are very good, not to also mention that it still has Official Story as well ^_^
and Wing Zero loses it's Bird mode + tackle and cant have it's shield thrust move either... which eliminates almost every charge attack it has that doesn't use Buster Rifles, leaving just it's charge 5 swordryuken.

love or hate the Endless Waltz versions more than the normal versions, either way the EW versions are downgrades by comparisons, and are not really as good to have in video games compared to the normal version since you gotta take stuff away from their already very limited arsenal.
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.....but Tallgeese 3 :(

anyways, glad to see that the CCA stuff will be back. As for dlc suits, I think that bonus suits for pre existing pilots would be great. Hi Nu, Nightingale, Qant, etc. However, I personally wouldn't mind Stargazer being included as dlc (Strike Noir specifically be a nice add).
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So Quess' Jagd Doga is returning? Then Rezin's Geara Doga probably will too!
Yep, chances of all the cut CCA units this time are very good, not to also mention that it still has Official Story as well ^_^
Really? Huh, I must have missed that info...

So, what do you guys think about the Re-GZ? I think it is pretty perfect class 1 material. I also think it opens the door for Kayra as a playable character. Opinions?
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So, what do you guys think about the Re-GZ? I think it is pretty perfect class 1 material. I also think it opens the door for Kayra as a playable character. Opinions?
Given the fact that far weaker MS are considered Class 1 (Guncannon), I think its about time Re-GZ becomes a Class 1. I personally think that most Class 2 suits should be elevated to Class 1 this time around.
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Hmm, we're similar, except that I think that about class 3 suits becoming class 2 (or in the Geara Doga (Rezin)'s case, class 1). How about adding Kayra? I've noticed that she is often forgotten as the Re-GZ's pilot in favor of chan agni. But I think she would make a better playable character overall. How about you?
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WZ lost its bird Mode and Piledriver shield, so its actually losing stuff, which looking at what WZ does all day everyday is really bad thing to do. and take away it's gundanium armored wings and replaces them with chicken feathers.


Bird Mode wasn't really a big loss seeing as WZC was shown to be able to travel with no problems in space and the atmosphere on its own. The shield was cool looking, but VERY clunky when paired with a rifle in each hand. The arms just had too much crap piled on them and Katoki slimmed it down. As for the armored wings, WZC's bird wing WERE shields. In the movie they're shown protecting the suit from re-entry, holding up against Altron's assault and surviving the final scenes even when the rest of the suit was destroyed. Not to mention that their thruster configuration was way more advanced and useful than the stiff binders the TV version used.

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DSH loses a blade on it's scythe.


Which... doesn't mean anything. The first blade cut everything, there was no need for a second. The TV version had two because all the upgraded Gundams apparently had to have two of something.

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Sandrock loses it's shield and therefore its Cross-Crusher.


Not necessarily. While we didn't see the shield in the movie, it was included on all the model kits in addition to its uzi. Remember that in the OVA all the Gundams were getting ready to be trashed, so they likely were not rolling with a full loadout. Anyway, the EW Sandrock had much larger and more menacing shotels which were the main weapon anyway.

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Altron loses, like everything it wasnt holding onto.


Although I do like TV Altron more, I have to admit the EW version's dragon fangs made up for it. Instead of shooting out straight and coming right back, they were like living weapons assisting the main suit. The stinger cannon was used all of 2 times in the series. The only thing I really regret losing is the flamethrower.
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Hmm..

I wouldn't mind if we got Wing(Heero's first Gundam) added in. Maybe Talgeese I and III as DLC too.

The possibilities have me riled up!
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:33 am
Hmm..

I wouldn't mind if we got Wing(Heero's first Gundam) added in. Maybe Talgeese I and III as DLC too.

The possibilities have me riled up!
Oh I agree entirely. I always liked Wing Gundam better than the Zero. Would definitely pay cash money for that and TG1.

Having the first season Seed suits makes me want to see the same from the other series.

Something like Full Armor Gundam could work as well, or Perfect Gundam.

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Since Mobile Armors are playable I'd like to see Elmeth and Lalah Sune. As far as Perfect Gundam... I'd sooner see the bloody Nether Gundam (Hurricane Gundam) than anything from Plasmo-Kyoshiro.
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:19 am
Since Mobile Armors are playable I'd like to see Elmeth and Lalah Sune. As far as Perfect Gundam... I'd sooner see the bloody Nether Gundam (Hurricane Gundam) than anything from Plasmo-Kyoshiro.
It's a cool looking design. What's your beef with the magazine it was featured in?
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WZ lost its bird Mode and Piledriver shield, so its actually losing stuff, which looking at what WZ does all day everyday is really bad thing to do. and take away it's gundanium armored wings and replaces them with chicken feathers.


Bird Mode wasn't really a big loss seeing as WZC was shown to be able to travel with no problems in space and the atmosphere on its own. The shield was cool looking, but VERY clunky when paired with a rifle in each hand. The arms just had too much crap piled on them and Katoki slimmed it down. As for the armored wings, WZC's bird wing WERE shields. In the movie they're shown protecting the suit from re-entry, holding up against Altron's assault and surviving the final scenes even when the rest of the suit was destroyed. Not to mention that their thruster configuration was way more advanced and useful than the stiff binders the TV version used.

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DSH loses a blade on it's scythe.


Which... doesn't mean anything. The first blade cut everything, there was no need for a second. The TV version had two because all the upgraded Gundams apparently had to have two of something.

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Sandrock loses it's shield and therefore its Cross-Crusher.


Not necessarily. While we didn't see the shield in the movie, it was included on all the model kits in addition to its uzi. Remember that in the OVA all the Gundams were getting ready to be trashed, so they likely were not rolling with a full loadout. Anyway, the EW Sandrock had much larger and more menacing shotels which were the main weapon anyway.

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Altron loses, like everything it wasnt holding onto.


Although I do like TV Altron more, I have to admit the EW version's dragon fangs made up for it. Instead of shooting out straight and coming right back, they were like living weapons assisting the main suit. The stinger cannon was used all of 2 times in the series. The only thing I really regret losing is the flamethrower.
WZ: maybe they had defense. doesn't change the fact it makes Wing Zero look like a giant chicken, loses it's main distinguishing characteristic (transforming), and one of it's few armaments.

DSH: Also lost it's buster shield. but even if it was jsut about the scythe losing a blade, doesn't change the fact it didn't really gain anything.

SRK: Animation is canon. plenty of other outside sources has added things that are not part the actual specs. like the Freedom gundam's Beam Spear.

Altron: i didnt like the wacky waving arms. it's suppose to be a very dense, powerful metal. how does it extend, bend, curve and such like that? it's as weird as adding chicken feathers.

thing is, i think the general idea of making these games is to add more stuff, and improve the units already existing if possible. the EW versions is taking away things, making the normal versions lesser. and that's why i think EW should stay out of it, unless it's an original EW unit. Mainly; Talgeese III and Seperent.
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I just think that there are better designs everywhere but there. It's just my personal taste though. I'd still sooner see just about any of the current sub-pilots (especially Rezin, Lalah, or Kayra) playable than shiro kyoda.
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Oh I thought we were still on the idea that the DLC would likely not have any pilots with them since Bearguy seems not to. It would be like the DLC weapons in DW, you just give them to whoever you want.

I would much prefer that because it opens up many more possibilities if they don't have to pay a new voice actor.
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Oops... Didn't realize we were on DLC still. The Perfect Gundam would make good DLC. I wonder if the Rozen Zulu will make it in? My gut says no, it wasn't close combat capable and this game is all about close combat. But then again, if they can make the Zaku Tank and the Acguy playable, then I guess the Rozen Zulu has a good chance.
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Oh I thought we were still on the idea that the DLC would likely not have any pilots with them since Bearguy seems not to. It would be like the DLC weapons in DW, you just give them to whoever you want.

I would much prefer that because it opens up many more possibilities if they don't have to pay a new voice actor.
Plus if they no longer have new pilot DLCs, they don't have to worry about making a blunder of spoiling DLC pilots in the credits anymore either :hehe:
(Back then in GW3, the Gundam Meisters were pretty much leaked as DLCs at the game credits)
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Why doesn't Jerid get any love anymore? I mean, most of his suits are class 2 and the guy is a central antagonist! We need class 1 Baund Doc and Byarlant!
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WZ: maybe they had defense. doesn't change the fact it makes Wing Zero look like a giant chicken, loses it's main distinguishing characteristic (transforming), and one of it's few armaments.
purely opinionated. I think WZ EW looks fine. While my opinion of the overall design has been less favorable towards it in recent years, its still leagues better than some of the designs I've seen come out of recent Gundam series and even series that came before Wing.

Furthermore, the increased defense and thruster capabilities should nullify the need to have a transformation. It also has increased sensor capabilities upping its accuracy even further. My argument with this suit is simple. It doesn't have to be a purely better version of the Wing Zero that we already have. The changes given should actually give this suit and entirely different stat setup and move list.

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DSH: Also lost it's buster shield. but even if it was jsut about the scythe losing a blade, doesn't change the fact it didn't really gain anything.


the loss of a shield should increase mobility. In fact, its mentioned that the shield is replaced with shield extensions on the forearms. Thus increased mobility without too much of a loss of defense. The loss of a single scythe blade should also improve energy output and consumption as well. Really I would consider DSH a suit that's more focused on what it should be used for. Like I said with WZ EW, it doesn't have to be better than the original. It can have a different stat set and move list as well fairly easily. Now if you want to argue that normal DSH was botched in DWG 3, go ahead. It could use some buffs and changes as well. That doesn't really change the fact that you can't do something unique with DSH EW though.

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SRK: Animation is canon. plenty of other outside sources has added things that are not part the actual specs. like the Freedom gundam's Beam Spear.


You are correct. Frankly there is little information on SRK to distinguish it from the original. At the same time though, we don't even have normal SRK to begin with so its really hard to even have a basis to argue on how this suit could be different.

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Altron: i didnt like the wacky waving arms. it's suppose to be a very dense, powerful metal. how does it extend, bend, curve and such like that? it's as weird as adding chicken feathers.


Its because its a collection of "foldable, highly maneuverable sectional blocks which are then attached to the arms". each piece would theoretically move individually. Think of the Rozen Zulu's Claws except you cant see the wiring at all.

Unlike SRK, Altron EW has more than enough differences to make it a separate suit. EW would be far more focused on melee oriented combat while normal Altron would be more balanced out.

My argument is that the EW's don't have to be considered straight up upgrades but simply different units. That being said, i'm not arguing that they should be dlc but that they could be. There are other suits I would like to see as dlc. At the same time however, Wing should get the original SRK and Altron Gundams before they can even consider adding dlc suits from Wing.
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