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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,300 Views)
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Extra armaments for a more complete move set > a little Extra Mobility/ thrusters.
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tyrox9
Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:52 am
Extra armaments for a more complete move set > a little Extra Mobility/ thrusters.
Complete move sets are determined by the weapons on a suit itself. While some of the EW suits may have less armaments, that does not mean they are in fact incomplete. Just because some suits simply have less weaponry than others does not mean that the other suits have a more complete move set. You could actually argue the opposite in some cases, in which suits with a smaller weapon set can have a more complete move set because there is less to feature and thus more room to explore the uses of these weapons in charge attacks.

What does Wing Zero really lose? A shield and its transformation? Its transformation has done little in previous DWG games. It took up one charge attack and in previous versions that charge attack has been taken up with a shield bash instead. Other than making it easier to travel around the map (and a thruster increase would nullify this loss) it really wasn't featured in DWG. Wing Zero EW could instead focus on a more shot oriented move set which was its strong point to begin with. That's sounds like a good idea to me.

Admittedly, DSH is harder to figure out. It really depends on what they do to the original. Needless to say all that EW loses is a shield which took up very little in the originals move set to begin with.

Altron is simply the easiest to do here because it literally becomes a melee oriented suit. The original gets to keep a somewhat balanced shot stat to keep its flamethrowers and other ranged weaponry strong.
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tyrox9
Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:52 am
Extra armaments for a more complete move set > a little Extra Mobility/ thrusters.
If you want to go that route, then they can simply use the wings AS weapons. They've done it in other Gundam games.

If EXVS can make the two versions completely different, then I don't see why DWG can't. Same can be said for Deathscythe and Heavyarms.

And seeing as BK mentioned the Japanese fanbase wants them in, I think we have a legit reason to speculate.
Edited by Wild Lion, Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:17 am.
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Open question: What do you think of an original Gundam (unit) by Tecmo-Koei?
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:46 am
Open question: What do you think of an original Gundam (unit) by Tecmo-Koei?
I wouldn't mind it, but I'm not sure if they have any mecha designers on staff...

I think most of the fanbase would rather have an established MS that they love first however.
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:46 am
Open question: What do you think of an original Gundam (unit) by Tecmo-Koei?
Well so far they've been considering the real-scaled SD Gundams as GW's original suits. Though looking how at other franchise Warriors also have some kind of collaborations with the mainstream Warriors, I wonder if Shin GW will have some too. Maybe for example if they add a real-scaled Lu Bu Tallgeese they could have it 'piloted' by DW's Lu Bu? lolol :hehe:

But on topic yeah, it wouldn't hurt to see a purely original Gundam for GW.



I wouldn't mind if the EW Gundams are added but the TV Gundams are still there, it'd be a win-win solution indeed (except maybe for the developers lol).
But in many cases, usually TV Gundams get the shaft to make way for EW most of the time, and That is what I'm dreading... :unsure:
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Well that's what the VS games did. It seems that Bandai/Sunrise consider both the TV and the EW versions to be official at the same time, the same way they said the MSG movie and TV versions were both equally official. Neither one "retcons" the other, they're just different interpretations of the same thing.
Edited by Wild Lion, Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:35 am.
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No, at this point Endless Waltz is the canon now. But that doesn't mean they'll neglect the TV series because let's face it, either way they're selling model kits.

Still good to see some people know what they're talking about. I've seen stupid arguments about how the TV designs are better for what are noticeably impractical equipment that makes less sense the more you apply logic to the situations they would apply.

Also good to see that people understand that there's such a thing as having a variant in the roster. Facepalmed in places for Orochi 2 Ultimate with the inane logic behind discrediting pre-death Nezha.
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:43 am
No, at this point Endless Waltz is the canon now. But that doesn't mean they'll neglect the TV series because let's face it, either way they're selling model kits.

Still good to see some people know what they're talking about. I've seen stupid arguments about how the TV designs are better for what are noticeably impractical equipment that makes less sense the more you apply logic to the situations they would apply.

Also good to see that people understand that there's such a thing as having a variant in the roster. Facepalmed in places for Orochi 2 Ultimate with the inane logic behind discrediting pre-death Nezha.
Uh uh, just because you say it doesn't make it so. Bandai still uses both designs equally. Besides that, there is no such thing as "canon" in Japanese terms and none that Bandai or Sunrise acknowledge. There is only Official, Semi-Official, and Unofficial. Anything animated is Official, and since both the TV series and OVA are animated, both are equally valid according to the creators.

Like I said, it's the same situation as the MSG movies and TV series, as well as the Zeta movie and series.
Edited by Wild Lion, Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:48 am.
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Y'know what could make this a must-buy for me? ExS Gundam + Ryu or Gerbera Tetra + Cima.
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If there gonna do DLC units I'd prefer them make stuff for Units that probably won't get in normally things like Gunpla Builders, the DW Gundams heck G gen original units would be awesome, strange units like those rather than padding out the roser for existing pilots
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:59 am
If there gonna do DLC units I'd prefer them make stuff for Units that probably won't get in normally things like Gunpla Builders, the DW Gundams heck G gen original units would be awesome, strange units like those rather than padding out the roser for existing pilots
Well this is Koei, they're not going to do anything that would actually be cool :hehe:
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:04 am
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:59 am
If there gonna do DLC units I'd prefer them make stuff for Units that probably won't get in normally things like Gunpla Builders, the DW Gundams heck G gen original units would be awesome, strange units like those rather than padding out the roser for existing pilots
Well this is Koei, they're not going to do anything that would actually be cool :hehe:
haha, probs true but a guy can hope right :lol:
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If we do get DLC suits, I better damn see Talgeese 1. I dont even care that it'll be a clone of the T2, that's one of the best designed MS ever.

EDIT: Has anyone found a way to trick the main site in accepting an account yet, or are we gonna have to wait for someone to upload those?
Edited by Joshelplex, Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:56 pm.
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:49 am
Y'know what could make this a must-buy for me? ExS Gundam + Ryu or Gerbera Tetra + Cima.
^ This haha! Especially Gerbera Tetra + Cima. We need more 0083 love :whistle:

I'd be all for a original unit by KOEI actually. But honestly speaking, it'd probably be some Dynasty Warriors related thing at best, and there's already BB Senshi Sangokuden...so mind as well use that. Ryofu Tallgeese would be nice :sly:

As for variants? Sure I don't mind. Gundam series has always had some sort of variants in most of their titles anyways. All for it even!
Edited by Crimsondramon, Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:58 pm.
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I'd rather a different BB Senshi Sangokuden character than Ryofu. Ryofu was a douche. Ryubi or Sousou or Sonken or something.
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:43 am
Sandrock loses it's shield and therefore its Cross-Crusher.
apparently, it wasn't always the case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0htCwsxTl8

so yeah, EW version with and even bigger and more awesome cross crusher attack is possible, i won't be missing the beam Uzi thing if it means we will have longer melee and more melee moves while still keeping long ranged options via vulcans as it's C1 and AOE boomerangs as either it's C3 or 4 and one of it's SP attacks(remember, solid melee weapons would be awkward to enhance the length in this game, which is why you don't see big zam's feet go gomu gomu when it goes burst mode, i don't think the likes of heat hawks will have range enhances too...)

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Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:38 pm
tyrox9
Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:43 am
Sandrock loses it's shield and therefore its Cross-Crusher.
apparently, it wasn't always the case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0htCwsxTl8

so yeah, EW version with and even bigger and more awesome cross crusher attack is possible, i won't be missing the beam Uzi thing if it means we will have longer melee and more melee moves while still keeping long ranged options via vulcans as it's C1 and AOE boomerangs as either it's C3 or 4 and one of it's SP attacks(remember, solid melee weapons would be awkward to enhance the length in this game, which is why you don't see big zam's feet go gomu gomu when it goes burst mode, i don't think the likes of heat hawks will have range enhances too...)

Animation is canon.
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:43 am
Still good to see some people know what they're talking about. I've seen stupid arguments about how the TV designs are better for what are noticeably impractical equipment that makes less sense the more you apply logic to the situations they would apply.
I think a lot of people simply forget or overlook the specifics of the EW suits. EW came out quite a while ago after all. Plus given how they were all only featured in one movie, a lot of the specifics on them are often forgotten or overlooked. Heck, I only remembered about the specifics on these suits recently when I noticed a increase in arguments that the EW suits aren't very good in comparison to the originals. I took the time to look them up and come up with my own conclusions on them. More people just need to take a bit of time to remember the facts on these suits really.

As for the unique unit? I would personally want Lu Bu Tallgeese as well.
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when it comes to Bb Senshi, i feel almsot positive that they would first put in liu bei gundam before anything else, on the fact it was the series more or less main character, and koei looooves their Shu.
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Liu Bei wouldn't make any sense. He's not a boss character, he doesn't like battle, he practically requires his brothers to be with him in any appearance. He just doesn't do well as a standalone character.

Lu Bu Tallgeese on the other hand is perfect because his whole purpose is to be a standalone superboss.

Speaking of which, I really miss how the MAs were actual bosses in GM2. In 3 I almost NEVER encountered one and when I did they were a joke. I hope they are returned to their menacing status in this one.
Edited by Wild Lion, Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:02 am.
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I dont hope they reutnr, unless grunts and class 2s get a massive overhaul, because they were atrociously tedious to fight in anything other than a class 1, and you know Koei will be too lazy to fix the weaker units.
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I dont hope they reutnr, unless grunts and class 2s get a massive overhaul, because they were atrociously tedious to fight in anything other than a class 1, and you know Koei will be too lazy to fix the weaker units.
I found it pretty easy if you took Small Giant with you. Two SPs and it was over.
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liu bei would work fine. He has a weapon that would make great SPs. a super form that would be great to exploit the games new mechanics. A burning passion for justice that could drive him. Liu bei doesn't die before the actual Wu Shu Wei War started, so he has more of a story behind him and frankly more entitlement because of that imo. And Characters don't need to like and crave combat to be in the game, if they did most characters wouldn't be in it.

of course I just don't really like Lu Bu. I liked him in, like, DW4, when i was first introduced to the series... then i actually studied the history of Rot3K, being a bit of a history nerd #humblebrag, and learned what Lu Bu was historically and that kind of just ruined him for me xD. media really boosts his reputation.
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The problem with Liu Bei is that we already have a Justice obsessed unique suit running around (Knight Gundam). Of course I doubt these suits would actually get to keep their original personas.....

I'm starting to get really interested in Cao Cao Gundam to be honest:

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Like holy crap that suit looks awesome. I'd love to have that ingame.
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