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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,284 Views)
Ma Su
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They were talking about two specific MS transformations, COMPLETELY relevant to the game. The arguing and mud slinging you had a point about, but now you are just trying to soothe your ego. I suggest that you drop it, because they certainly did. I won't be responding to you again, I've got better things to do. Cool avatar, by the way.

On another note, Disco Heavyarms? Like, Heavyarms, but with an afro made up of a disco ball? Please let it come true...

Truly on topic: I have three things to say, the first is, how about the Zee Zulu or Zaku III for new units. The Remnants are going to be in this game, and the Zee is the mainstay of their forces, while the Zaku III is Rakan's personal suit, unless you guys would prefer the Dreissen for him. The second is that, from what I have gathered the Deathscythe's moveset sucks, is this true, and why? The third is Full Frontal's English voice, I heard it in a cutscene video and wow... it doesn't fit him at ALL. What do you guys think.
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Sat Nov 9, 2013 11:47 pm
They were talking about two specific MS transformations, COMPLETELY relevant to the game. The arguing and mud slinging you had a point about, but now you are just trying to soothe your ego. I suggest that you drop it, because they certainly did. I won't be responding to you again, I've got better things to do. Cool avatar, by the way.

On another note, Disco Heavyarms? Like, Heavyarms, but with an afro made up of a disco ball? Please let it come true...

Truly on topic: I have three things to say, the first is, how about the Zee Zulu or Zaku III for new units. The Remnants are going to be in this game, and the Zee is the mainstay of their forces, while the Zaku III is Rakan's personal suit, unless you guys would prefer the Dreissen for him. The second is that, from what I have gathered the Deathscythe's moveset sucks, is this true, and why? The third is Full Frontal's English voice, I heard it in a cutscene video and wow... it doesn't fit him at ALL. What do you guys think.
I love the Zaku III, specifically the Custom, and hope to see it in the game. Unfortunately, since ZZ is out of Official Mode, I doubt it will get any grunts that aren't prominent in Unicorn.

Full Frontal had a horrible voice in 3. I don't particularly like him as a character, but they could have at least used the OVA actor.

Speaking of which, I wish they would get Mark Gatha and Hildreth to come back for just one game. It would take like one day of recording and the fans would love it.
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Sat Nov 9, 2013 11:55 pm
Speaking of which, I wish they would get Mark Gatha and Hildreth to come back for just one game. It would take like one day of recording and the fans would love it.
Well you're gonna have to sing for it as any hope of them coming back is pretty much slim to none at best.
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Fine. I'm done here.
Edited by Zarameus, Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:42 am.
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The second is that, from what I have gathered the Deathscythe's moveset sucks, is this true, and why?
have you seen any vids of it's gameplay?, it should be obvious after watching it for bit, for a supposedly fluid and deadly MS it has a very choppy moveset, the SP attacks being mediocre and also choppy besides the standard, non-crowd ground SP didn't help either, his only good thing is his partner strike, something you CAN'T do when you acntually play as it

ironically, this is how DSH actually fights in non-SRPG games outside of the SNES fighting game(itwas choppy in ACE and ACE2, and Gundam Battle Assault 2) and probably GvG series(but even there he have very limited moves)
Edited by wodash, Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:53 am.
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DSH should have a total moveset overhaul. Its not even hard to do the damn moveset either, just give him a move where he throws the scythe (It's rocket propelled FFS), a few spins, maybe a spinning upwards sweep, boom, perfect.

Heavyamrs needs an overhaul too, at least on the ground string. Make it all shot. He only uses the knife in the air charge, so that cna stay as is, since that little spinny move is done repeatedly in the show, but he can easily go full shot a la Cherudim
Edited by Joshelplex, Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:11 am.
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I'm very sorry for the inconvenience here. :( It looks like I'm the only one who's actually managing the moderation here, and my timezone difference with most members here really doesn't help as most of the debates happened while I'm sleeping...

The discussion itself is still relevant to to the game as they were discussing about possible moveset changes if Wing does the EW migration. However the real problem here is: tyrox9, you have a terrible choice of words.
We all know you're a SEED mania, but you don't need to use derogatory words when comparing other series especially like Wing. People are going to get the wrong impression and might see it as a flamebait instead.

So please keep your manner by carefully choosing your words. A debate with well-chosen words is much better than one with poor, derogatory words. Consider this a verbal notice, the more you get it the more possible a warning point might drop in to your account.


Anyway the other day I was reading this Dengeki interview with Gundam Breaker's producer, and there's an interesting blurb here.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/744/744155/index-2.html
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――もし次回作を作るとするなら、どんな要素を入れてみたいですか?

 あくまで構想ですが、と前置きした上でお話しします。テーマで言うと“運動会”みたいなことができればいいなと考えています。ガチのバトルなら『EXVS』シリーズがありますし、一騎当千の爽快感なら『ガンダム無双』シリーズがありますよね。本作はみんなで遊ぶという魅力と“創壊”――創ると壊すをかけた爽快さがあるので、例えば「このミッションならこういう機体がいいよね」とか、みんなで考えて楽しめるような要素や、ガチで戦う点にこだわるのではなく、何かのルールのもとで戦う要素を入れてみたいですよね。

When he was asked what would he add if he'd be making a Gundam Breaker sequel, he answered in a way that will distinguish it from the other Gundam action games, making it like a 'sports day' game.

The way he answered it might imply that they want to create a triumvirate of Gundam action games, with possibly the following keywords:
EXVS - for the most hardcore gamers who like to have some serious battling, mostly online versus
Musou - for those who want to enjoy clearing crowds and relieve stress, mostly singleplayer
Breaker - for people who want to create their own Gundams and have fun clearing missions with friends, mostly online co-op

If they want to have a triumvirate like this, hopefully things will still look good for a GW sequel even after Shin GW.
But I still wish the release gap with EXVSFB wouldn't be that short...
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Yeah if they're going to go with a Gundam Game Triumvate, they should start releasing them one every 3 or 4 months a year.

The problem is that the VS games have such erratic releases and how fast we get a console port really depends on how long it stays profitable in the arcades, which can't be predicted.

I would like for Koei to start adding more RPG elements to the series. Musou seems to be a good platform for getting more involved in characters and the world since the battles take a long time and give you a good bit of choice as to how to fight them, whereas the other two games consist of quick fast-paced matches instead of actual missions.
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How about create a character and custom MS? Just an idea, it relies upon their effort put into it. Either immensely good, or awful.

My idea? A separate story, you choose your era, your faction, and you create your own character, allocating points to your stats and selecting your starting MS. example:

Name: Crown
Faction: Zeon (Gihren Zabi)
MS: Zaku I or II
Stats:
Melee: 50/300
Shot: 50/300
Defense: 25/300
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Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:17 am
How about create a character and custom MS? Just an idea, it relies upon their effort put into it. Either immensely good, or awful.

My idea? A separate story, you choose your era, your faction, and you create your own character, allocating points to your stats and selecting your starting MS. example:

Name: Crown
Faction: Zeon (Gihren Zabi)
MS: Zaku I or II
Stats:
Melee: 50/300
Shot: 50/300
Defense: 25/300
yeah, if they ever made DWG:Empires that is,

you should go to Artdink for that, since it's exactly the way their gundam games are done, custom pilot is your MC, and you have to unlock the "legend pilots" and MS'es, you'll be stuck in mediocre MS'es most of the time while the main MS'es such as the Gundam class are only available for replays/2nd playthroughs...
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It was an idea. What would be wrong with Empires? We haven't had one yet.
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Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:31 am
It was an idea. What would be wrong with Empires? We haven't had one yet.
i didn't say it was wrong, i'm not even disagreeing with you, despite the fact that they never really had empires for spinoffs :facepalm:

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Didn't say you were, so cool your jets, you missed all the inquisitiveness and mistook it for confrontation. I didn't mean anything. Now... Did the Z'Gok improve AT ALL in DWG3? I've asked three times, I'm hoping third time's the charm.
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Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:44 pm
Didn't say you were, so cool your jets, you missed all the inquisitiveness and mistook it for confrontation. I ddin't mean anything. Now... Did the Z'Gok improve AT ALL in DWG3? I've asked three times, I'm hoping third time's the charm.
No, still crappy, even Char's custom one.
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Regarding self creation, IMO the only most possible thing they could do is to create your own pilot. It goes really well with the later GW original modes indeed if you can have your own created pilot. For the others.. not so much.

Like wodash said, a faction selector would be better stay in the Battle games, or if they do make a GW Empires. In these original modes you are more like a mercenary pilot that wander around aimlessly, eventually getting to help every factions in each of their missions and ultimately befriending everyone.

And for creating own MS, unless the game's main setting is about Gunplas, I don't think they'll bother adding that feature. Most likely it'll be only for games like Gundam Breaker, and if Gundam Build Fighters could be getting its own game too..
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Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:28 pm
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Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:44 pm
Didn't say you were, so cool your jets, you missed all the inquisitiveness and mistook it for confrontation. I ddin't mean anything. Now... Did the Z'Gok improve AT ALL in DWG3? I've asked three times, I'm hoping third time's the charm.
No, still crappy, even Char's custom one.
i rather use the Acguy rather than the Zgok, in every single gundam game that features both, they always seem to make Acguy the more interesting unit to play as.

perhaps that will change in MaxiBoost where they will have the Zgok playable, if only for a really short while
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Huh, so the Acguy is better... It's a perfect reversal of Federation vs Zeon then.

How about Challia Bull and the Braw-Bro? Not a major character, but an interesting one. The oldest Newtype, ever.

Or Topp, a side character from the 08th MS Team with her own custom suit.
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http://gundam-musou.jp/popup/trialEvent.php

Just a heads-up, they will be holding some game demo conventions starting this weekend on select game stores in Japan.
One of them on 14 Dec (the weekend before release) will even have a talkshow event with the producers.

However before anyone asks, be advised that chances for the demo to be published at PSN are slim to none. They never uploaded the demos for past series either
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I wonder if the demo will have select units like the tgs build did or if it will have all units revealed so far?
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However before anyone asks, be advised that chances for the demo to be published at PSN are slim to none. They never uploaded the demos for past series either
Don't forget about Hokuto Musou and Kaizoku Musou 2. Ken's Rage demo has even been released in Europe (both PSN and Xbox Live).
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Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:46 am
However before anyone asks, be advised that chances for the demo to be published at PSN are slim to none. They never uploaded the demos for past series either
Don't forget about Hokuto Musou and Kaizoku Musou 2. Ken's Rage demo has even been released in Europe (both PSN and Xbox Live).
i think BK means the GM games, GM1, 2, and 3
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I think BK means the GM games, GM1, 2, and 3
So do I.

Still, I believe there is some hope for SGM's demo to be released since Hokuto Musou was not that great.
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I'm sold on the Banshee. That thing looks like it'll usurp the crown from the God Gundam as the strongest suit in the game. The Legend looks quite interesting to play as well; it reminds me of the Reborn Gundam a bit.
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Let's hope for scans tomorrow. It's been nearly a month now and I'd like to think they have something new to show us
Edited by Wild Lion, Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:26 am.
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I want to see the Quin Mantha vs Ksatriya, in a CG cutscene. With equal power, it comes down to weight, and how you throw it around.
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