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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,263 Views)
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So probably there's no add's to the UC's, aside Delta+, Banshee and Angelo's Zulu.
Hummm now my hope's for Jesta's is starting to fade away, but I'm very happy just for the new moves and some of the new MS's.

Freedom & Abyss :shifty:
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The Jesta and Rezel seem kinda necessary though. They're probably in. I'd assume Stark Jegan and Byalant Custom as well.

It is entirely possible not all suits will be revealed. A handful weren't found out until DWG3 actually released.
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Anyway I still could forgive all this SEED-vaganza if they could add either of Stargazer units, Astray frames, or Shiho Hahnenfuss as a surprise MSV character and playable. :ph43r:
I certainly wouldn't take that as compensation. While Stargazer and Astray are preferable to the main series, the fact that we're still missing far more important characters in-game would not be fairly accounted for by adding these two. But just for the sake of conversation, let's do a comparison.

Astray
Lowe Guele
Gai Murakumo
Elijah Kiel
Canard Pars
Prayer Reverie
Rondo Mina Sahaku

Stargazer
Sven Cal Bayang
Selene McGriff

I'm sure there are more potential adds for Astray, given that it's a long running series, but I'm just going with what I know at the moment.

But that gives us 8 potential adds. Now let's pretend that 8 slots exist currently for new characters and MS, and see who/what can be added using those same slots.

Gundam Spiegel (since Schwarz is already in.)
Chang Wufei
Quatre Raberba Winner
Harry Ord
Shagia Frost
Zabine Chareux
Vigna Ghina (since Cecily is already in)
Ali Al-Saachez

This finishes Turn A, Wing, and 00's necessary adds. Plus it finally gives Schwarz his Gundam, X a villain and F91's main rival and Cecily her MS.

Of course this is purely a thought experiment, since I'm damn near sure that we won't be seeing anything outside of CE and Unicorn.

Just to stay on topic, Impulse, Banshee and Providence are currently the only selling points for me. Though it's good to see that the Justice is far better than the IJ. That unit is so bad that I would sooner skip over Athrun all together than use the IJ for a single mission. The MAs as a whole look great, though the Psycho Gundams and Quin Mantha look like the most fun.
Edited by Master Omega, Sun Dec 1, 2013 7:40 am.
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Sun Dec 1, 2013 5:15 am
Anyway I still could forgive all this SEED-vaganza if they could add either of Stargazer units, Astray frames, or Shiho Hahnenfuss as a surprise MSV character and playable. :ph43r:
I certainly wouldn't take that as compensation. While Stargazer and Astray are preferable to the main series, the fact that we're still missing far more important characters in-game would not be fairly accounted for by adding these two. But just for the sake of conversation, let's do a comparison.

Astray
Lowe Guele
Gai Murakumo
Elijah Kiel
Canard Pars
Prayer Reverie
Rondo Mina Sahaku

Stargazer
Sven Cal Bayang
Selene McGriff

I'm sure there are more potential adds for Astray, given that it's a long running series, but I'm just going with what I know at the moment.

But that gives us 8 potential adds. Now let's pretend that 8 slots exist currently for new characters and MS, and see who/what can be added using those same slots.

Gundam Spiegel (since Schwarz is already in.)
Chang Wufei
Quatre Raberba Winner
Harry Ord
Shagia Frost
Zabine Chareux
Vigna Ghina (since Cecily is already in)
Ali Al-Saachez

This finishes Turn A, Wing, and 00's necessary adds. Plus it finally gives Schwarz his Gundam, X a villain and F91's main rival and Cecily her MS.

Of course this is purely a thought experiment, since I'm damn near sure that we won't be seeing anything outside of CE and Unicorn.

Just to stay on topic, Impulse, Banshee and Providence are currently the only selling points for me. Though it's good to see that the Justice is far better than the IJ. That unit is so bad that I would sooner skip over Athrun all together than use the IJ for a single mission. The MAs as a whole look great, though the Psycho Gundams and Quin Mantha look like the most fun.
I would much rather have the second list than the first one. Astray and Stargazer are only exceptional in comparison to the wreck that Seed and Destiny were. When put next to the other Gundam series, they're simply mediocre.

I still don't know how to take the comment that the DLC will be "about the same as the last game"

Do they mean the same amount, as in 6 suits/characters?

Do they just mean the same content, as in suits/characters/missions?

Do they mean another entire cast is going to be DLC? (Shuffle Alliance?)

Do they mean it will once again be horrendously overpriced? (the answer is yes)
Edited by Wild Lion, Sun Dec 1, 2013 7:45 am.
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Sun Dec 1, 2013 7:17 am
Astray
Lowe Guele
Gai Murakumo
Elijah Kiel
Canard Pars
Prayer Reverie

Rondo Mina Sahaku

Stargazer
Sven Cal Bayang
Selene McGriff
Hmm, as much as I'd like to see X Astray too, it's definitely not that high on the list. It also has far chance of getting added before other more famous sidestories including Crossbone are in first, so I wouldn't mind if it's not added yet.

And even if Elijah is in by any chance, his custom GINN would be far from significant for now so I could see them putting him on a normal grunt version GINN at the moment.

And lastly, Gold Frame would have a 50:50 chance even if Astray will be included. It's indeed the next highest Astray priority just below Red & Blue Frames, but in many cases Astray have been only represented by just Lowe & Gai.

So out of those CE sidestories, I'm only expecting the following for now:

Strike Noir - Sven
Stargazer Gundam - Selene
Red Frame Kai - Lowe
Blue Frame 2nd Revise - Gai
Gold Frame Amatsu - Ghina or Mina (50:50)

So there's like 3 more slots, which I'd gladly fill with Sandrock Kai, Altron and Spiegel, and if Gold Frame is not there yet I'd gladly replace it with Harry's Gold SUMO.

But that is assuming there are no more Official Mode adds like ReZEL or Jesta... and speaking of which why haven't we seen Shamblo yet to this point?
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In all honesty I'm not sure what they plan to do with the Official Mode adds at this point, because they're skipping out on giving us regular info batches now.
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Yeah... come to think about it, they already said that Unicorn won't be a complete story to the end here, so I could see if they might actually cut some corners within its story here.. :rolleyes:
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I'm thinking quite a bit will be missing for Unicorn in comparison to SEED and Destiny. It's too late though, I honestly wish these three weren't getting Official Modes, because this has become a farce.

I was expecting Unicorn to not be complete, after all we have episode 7 on the way still. But in all honesty, this game could have completed a few series and finished their adds, but instead brought out the CE shows as the focus, which have way too many additions to finish.
Edited by Master Omega, Sun Dec 1, 2013 9:22 am.
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I'm thinking quite a bit will be missing for Unicorn in comparison to SEED and Destiny. It's too late though, I honestly wish these three weren't getting Official Modes, because this has become a farce.
lol, no kidding. missing entire episodes xD. I think it woulda been smarter to fill up 0083, and maybe bring in 08th MS Team, and have those as Official modes, and then do unicorn next time, space cowboy, when it's finished.
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I'm thinking quite a bit will be missing for Unicorn in comparison to SEED and Destiny. It's too late though, I honestly wish these three weren't getting Official Modes, because this has become a farce.
lol, no kidding. missing entire episodes xD. I think it woulda been smarter to fill up 0083, and maybe bring in 08th MS Team, and have those as Official modes, and then do unicorn next time, space cowboy, when it's finished.
I definitely agree. 0083 and 08th MS Team would have been some of the easiest to finish and have Official Modes for. They would have been finished quickly, while leaving many slots for other characters to be added. But no, because we have the damn HD Remasters, Koei and Bandai chose two of the series who need the most adds to have a viable Official Mode. :facepalm: How f*cking stupid could they be. . .

And yes, this is easily the best marketing strategy they could have. . .in Japan. Yes, Japanese fans love this notion, and will buy it up solely because of the SEED exposure, but in the long term, this once again prolongs any real additions being made to show rosters that NEED it.
Edited by Master Omega, Sun Dec 1, 2013 9:35 am.
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I wonder if they're going to overhaul the series and start over when they move to the PS4. If so, we might be at square one with the roster.

I wouldn't mind it if they greatly improve the gameplay, but I would hope that they would choose a different order of additions and switch up the priority if that be the case.
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Sun Dec 1, 2013 9:45 am
I wonder if they're going to overhaul the series and start over when they move to the PS4. If so, we might be at square one with the roster.

I wouldn't mind it if they greatly improve the gameplay, but I would hope that they would choose a different order of additions and switch up the priority if that be the case.
To be honest, I'm not sure if they will. But right now, the way they've been approaching gameplay is certainly positive.

Really, the gameplay for SGM is actually the best looking thing about it for me. I'm fine with them adding bits to the gameplay with each installment over massive roster increases, but I'd also rather not see the series start from square one again, because I'm honestly quite certain that many series would vanish from the roster in order to get it down to a certain amount. Plus, I doubt we want to go through the DW6 issue again. While "clones" aren't an issue, the primary problem would be who is in and whether or not the gameplay justifies the change.
Edited by Master Omega, Sun Dec 1, 2013 10:06 am.
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I guess that would depend on why someone plays the game; is it more to experience a fun gameplay system, or to simply move around a model of your favorite Gundam?

I guess the question would be: Would you still play these games if they had nothing to do with Gundam?

That is the mark of a good game, one that stands on its own merits without depending on an established franchise or name.
Edited by Wild Lion, Sun Dec 1, 2013 10:42 am.
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I'm surprised we haven't seen very much from Unicorn I guess they just think Seed and Destiny characters/MS will do a better job at hyping the game. Still have we even seen the ReZEL yet? I'm not surprised to see unnamed piloted stuff like the Byarlant Custom not make it but for all the good effort they seem to be making to make Seed and Destiny's Official modes great they don't really seem as happy to show of the Unicorn parts.... No Shamblo obviously sticks out quite a bit.

I'm not the greatest fan of unicorns cast but if your gonna do something do it right at-least... Still I'm holding out for some adds not been revealed till the game is out. I'm sure we never knew about Knight in 3 until people got the game
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I guess that would depend on why someone plays the game; is it more to experience a fun gameplay system, or to simply move around a model of your favorite Gundam?

I guess the question would be: Would you still play these games if they had nothing to do with Gundam?

That is the mark of a good game, one that stands on its own merits without depending on an established franchise or name.
For most people who picked up this game, they most likely wanted it for both the characters and the gameplay, not just one or the other. That's why I noted that the primary problems with the reboot is the "who" and "how" of the game: "Who is in?" and "How does it play?" I find these equally important in a franchise game precisely BECAUSE it's a franchise game. But if I had to pick if one were more likely, it'd be characters, because that's just how people are with franchise games.

But to answer your question: YES. I would still play this series if it had nothing to do with Gundam because I do enjoy the gameplay of this series. In fact, I enjoy it more than the main Koei series, and even the Pirate Warriors games (which I f*cking love to death). I might actually have less qualms about purchasing it if it was just an original Mecha Musou game, because there wouldn't be a discussion on whose favorite character got passed over.
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I guess that would depend on why someone plays the game; is it more to experience a fun gameplay system, or to simply move around a model of your favorite Gundam?

I guess the question would be: Would you still play these games if they had nothing to do with Gundam?

That is the mark of a good game, one that stands on its own merits without depending on an established franchise or name.
For most people who picked up this game, they most likely wanted it for both the characters and the gameplay, not just one or the other. That's why I noted that the primary problems with the reboot is the "who" and "how" of the game: "Who is in?" and "How does it play?" I find these equally important in a franchise game precisely BECAUSE it's a franchise game. But if I had to pick if one were more likely, it'd be characters, because that's just how people are with franchise games.

But to answer your question: YES. I would still play this series if it had nothing to do with Gundam because I do enjoy the gameplay of this series. In fact, I enjoy it more than the main Koei series, and even the Pirate Warriors games (which I f*cking love to death). I might actually have less qualms about purchasing it if it was just an original Mecha Musou game, because there wouldn't be a discussion on whose favorite character got passed over.
I agree completely. With franchise games like these, Koei are severely limited in creativity by what the license holders demand of the games, and by what the fanbases expect to be included.

I would love if Koei let their devs play with new game mechanics, stories and characters in a completely original setting so they don't have to consider character popularity or established histories to cater to.

But maybe I'm giving the devs too much credit, and they actually don't have any better ideas than what we've seen.

It would be interesting to see their take on mecha though. It seems that in the SRW series, the Banpresto Originals are starting to become as popular if not more than the guests that started the franchise. I wonder how popular some Koei Original Mecha could become.
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I agree completely. With franchise games like these, Koei are severely limited in creativity by what the license holders demand of the games, and by what the fanbases expect to be included.

I would love if Koei let their devs play with new game mechanics, stories and characters in a completely original setting so they don't have to consider character popularity or established histories to cater to.

But maybe I'm giving the devs too much credit, and they actually don't have any better ideas than what we've seen.

It would be interesting to see their take on mecha though. It seems that in the SRW series, the Banpresto Originals are starting to become as popular if not more than the guests that started the franchise. I wonder how popular some Koei Original Mecha could become.
At the same time, Koei and Omega Force were the guys behind the story of Dynasty Warriors 7, easily the most cinematic and character driven they've ever been. It's just that it was stuck on a game playing catch up, following DW6 making a really big oopsie with the whole "cutting characters and cloning everyone" thing.

It's possible for them to make something truly great. Hell, I'm pretty sure it was Koei behind the writing of DWG2, rather than Bandai. After all, Destiny was Bandai's lover around that time, yet DWG2 put the Destiny trio into minor roles or flat out had them bullied by other cast members, turning it into an entire story for Master Asia. Plus, the original game put in Turn A of all shows before a handful of more popular options.

Just to summarize, yes, I believe Koei has the ability to write a great story, but with DWG I feel Bandai forces them to include every character due to the insane levels of fan pandering for every friggin' character and mobile suit.

Edit: I'm sure a Koei mecha game would sell like hot cakes in Japan due to the popularity of the company already.
Edited by Master Omega, Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:25 am.
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These MS are ones we already know existing but haven't been featured in Famitsu yet.

MSN-001A1 Delta Plus
GAT-X102 Duel Gundam
GAT-X103 Buster Gundam
GAT-X207 Blitz Gundam
ZGMF-X10A Freedom Gundam
ZGMF-X09A Justice Gundam
ZGMF-X13A Providence Gundam
ZGMF-1000/A1 Gunner ZAKU Warrior - Lunamaria Custom

Since Justice Gundam already had an early release video, they had to include it in next week's Famitsu, and the leak time should be about the same as its HD video getting uploaded at Youtube.
I don't mind if they do but they should add some new units or warships captains.
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To be honest, as someone who hates SEED/Destiny, at this point I hope everything left that we don't know of that's in the game is from SEED/Destiny. Because at this point my perfect dream list of 8 still couldn't interest me in this game anymore. So I feel like they might as well get everything of note in there and make the perfect Official Modes for SEED/Destiny fans. Because while I hate them, they might as well go all out for them if they're going to go this far.
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Some talk about the PS4 a few posts up, I think they're definitely working on a game for that system and this is a stop-gap inbetween. Got to think that graphics for next gen won't be that big of an upgrade but the things they'll be able to do with the actual game engine will be.

Wouldn't surprise me if the final part of Unicorn's Official Mode in this upcoming game is DLC ;)
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This SEED over exposure is killing this game for me lol.

Definitely going to be waiting until all the DLC is out first for this one before deciding on picking it up.
Well it needs a ton of mecha addition coming from DGW3 to make it worth having the only AU Official Mode.
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I guess that would depend on why someone plays the game; is it more to experience a fun gameplay system, or to simply move around a model of your favorite Gundam?

I guess the question would be: Would you still play these games if they had nothing to do with Gundam?

That is the mark of a good game, one that stands on its own merits without depending on an established franchise or name.
For most people who picked up this game, they most likely wanted it for both the characters and the gameplay, not just one or the other. That's why I noted that the primary problems with the reboot is the "who" and "how" of the game: "Who is in?" and "How does it play?" I find these equally important in a franchise game precisely BECAUSE it's a franchise game. But if I had to pick if one were more likely, it'd be characters, because that's just how people are with franchise games.

But to answer your question: YES. I would still play this series if it had nothing to do with Gundam because I do enjoy the gameplay of this series. In fact, I enjoy it more than the main Koei series, and even the Pirate Warriors games (which I f*cking love to death). I might actually have less qualms about purchasing it if it was just an original Mecha Musou game, because there wouldn't be a discussion on whose favorite character got passed over.


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Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:06 am
I agree completely. With franchise games like these, Koei are severely limited in creativity by what the license holders demand of the games, and by what the fanbases expect to be included.

I would love if Koei let their devs play with new game mechanics, stories and characters in a completely original setting so they don't have to consider character popularity or established histories to cater to.

But maybe I'm giving the devs too much credit, and they actually don't have any better ideas than what we've seen.

It would be interesting to see their take on mecha though. It seems that in the SRW series, the Banpresto Originals are starting to become as popular if not more than the guests that started the franchise. I wonder how popular some Koei Original Mecha could become.
I, too, definitely would play a Koei Original Mecha Musou game.

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This SEED over exposure is killing this game for me lol.

Definitely going to be waiting until all the DLC is out first for this one before deciding on picking it up.
Well it needs a ton of mecha addition coming from DGW3 to make it worth having the only AU Official Mode.
That's the problem. As I brought up in an earlier post, SEED and Destiny were very poor choices for Official Mode because of how many units needed to be added. Koei and Bandai made no effort to include more Destiny units in 3, or at least have continual pilot/MS DLC to fill out the roster. As a result, Destiny takes up a ton of room when it could have been mitigated, and allowing the cast list some breathing room despite SEED's inclusion to Official Mode as well. It'd have been easier to fill out 08th MS Team, War in the Pocket and Stardust Memory rather than try to make a CE Official Mode, or even attempt Unicorn's considering it's incomplete.
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Why is it a poor choice? Seed is popular. You not liking Seed leaves you in the small minority compared to most fans, and since this is aimed at the Japanese first, who love Seed more than any othe UC, what Koei is doing is the best course of action for a company that's not actually making very much money right now. You won't always get the suits and characters that you want, you might just have to deal with it. Seed at least gives us tons of suits with unique gameplay potential.
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Eh, I got Garrod, Tiffa and the DX in 3, so it never bothered me much, at least, that they went with the overhaul on Seed/Destiny, I mean hell, I really liked Cagalli (Seed) and Stella, and since they're confirmed, that makes me excited to get the game =P.

I mean, yeah I would've preferred other series getting much more exposure, but if they really do need it to sell/get more money, Seed/Destiny will definitely help them, In Japan anyway.
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