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| SazukeEX | Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:44 pm Post #1901 |
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Behold Sun Shi! The Fiery Tiger Cub of Sun Ce, Lu Xun's Tigress, and the Mother Tiger of Lu Kang!
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The difference is that SRW is more than just that. They have dialogue happening in ma y different places around the same time all over the Earth/Space/Ect. DWG3 really only focused on before, during, and after a battle and that's it. They also branched out into multiple factions while SRW has you follow a main character, no matter what, around and go through their perspective. Not to mention that DWG3 not only having far less dialogue it also didn't develop any real sub plots and many characters have nothing to say or do after joining a faction. They didn't even have Lunamaria ***** out Shinn over their lovers spat when Shinn is on the enemy side. In SRW the characters would have acknowledged each other. Such as SRW z2.2 had you go through Esther's Perspective even when Crowe returned, Crowe didn't take the lead fully again until "that" event happened and when she returned she shared as a second main character with Crowe now the main of the pair. Edited by SazukeEX, Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:45 pm.
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| tyrox9 | Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:51 pm Post #1902 |
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SUPER!~ General
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Hmmm... Treize and Quattre.... Colonel Mannequin and Sergei... Puru and haman karn... the system Works! ... drawing some blanks on Victory though. Edited by tyrox9, Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:53 pm.
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| NDestiny | Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:11 am Post #1903 |
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Tiger General
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As anybody played "Another Century's Episode"? While I didn't understand anything about the story (not to mention that I've never played any other unit except the Gundam Type), I feel like that could be a great story. My favorite was A.C.E. 2 (never played 1 and R). Edited by NDestiny, Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:16 am.
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| Master Omega | Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:15 am Post #1904 |
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Lord of The World
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No, what lead to the current situation was Koei persistently ignoring series while simultaneously adding new ones. What ends up happening is that the gap continuously widens instead of closing it. G has been in since DWG1, yet it hasn't gotten a class 1 add since its debut. F91 and Victory were added in 2, yet it's quite apparent that neither is getting something new in this game. Instead of spreading out adds, some series got many, while others got the bare minimum or none. I wouldn't say 2 focused on those three in the way that the CE timeline is now. Most of MSG and Zeta rosters are grunts and class 2 MS that were already in DWG1, just made playable. CCA could be said to be the focus, getting 8 MS in total, but that still consists primarily of class 2 MS, whereas now we're getting a line-up of about 20 class 1s for a single series. Cut over to DWG3, same problem. 00 got most of the DLC, gaining four new pilots and MS that weren't in-game. A single grunt for Victory, a single grunt for G, class upgrades for Turn X, Hambrabi and Guncannon; three new shows added, and Wing got a three unit/pilot increase. Once again, three new shows, barely adding anything to the previously existing shows with the exception of Wing. So it's not that "being fair" doesn't work, or focusing on a wide number of shows. It's flat out ignoring shows for a long period of time, while adding on to the number of series that need adds. As for the story and dialogue, I agree. If they emphasized longer conversations before and after battles, with maybe a bit more in-game conversations between allies and enemies. And yes, it's not voiced in DWG2 save for rare moments.
Fuala and Chronicle. . .well, had his VA not died this year, that is. Edited by Master Omega, Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:16 am.
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| Toramaru | Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:16 am Post #1905 |
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Wing's White Knight
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I just had to drop in here to say a couple of things. First, To correct an incorrect statement made earlier. Stop lumping Wing in with G! G Gundam only has a significant fanbase here in the States, and non in Japan. On the other hand, Gundam Wing is one of the three most popular AUs in Japan, only behind Gundam SEED and most likely ahead of 00. As a pointer: Duo, Treize, and Trowa got into the base game of Gundam Musou 3, but the 00 Meisters were only DLC. Why would a Japanese company cater to an American-only fanbase? They didn't. In fact, Duo Maxwell was the most-requested addition in both Japan and America. Further note, Wing holds a greater amount of popularity in America due to it being the "gateway" series that introduced us to Gundam. Without it, I highly doubt we'd have ever seen the likes of the crappy G Gundam, or the awesome Gundam SEED. Needless to say, We'd certainly have never seen these games and would've known nothing about them. I, personally, am not gonna say that SEED has no fanbase in America(unlike G in Japan). In fact, I am, myself, a fan of the series for many reasons, most important of which is Kira. SEED getting an Official Mode just means that there will finally be an Official Mode that I have an interest in. However, I can explain a good amount of why SEED is overall less popular in the States: It's because of the horrendously terrible localization. They completely butchered the story, the events, it had horrible dubbed voice-overs with terribly butchered dialogue. I have to say that, had I watched the dub, I'd hate SEED too. As it happens, I watched the uncut subbed version and loved it. Anyway, My two favorite Gundam anime are Wing and SEED. My two favorite pilots are Heero and Kira. And my two favorite MS are Wing Zero and Strike Freedom. Well, I'm done here. -- Signed: ~Toramaru, "Hatred leads to nothing, and revenge brings only emptiness..." |
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| Abyss4 | Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:27 am Post #1906 |
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Elite Soldier
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They... butchered the dialogue in the dub? Was this one of those Filipino-English dubs because we must be watching different things. I've seen both the sub and dub of Seed and they didn't change a thing aside from the voices, which were actually better than the original's. But anyways. Who can we expect to get cut from DWG3's roster? I'm hoping Lacus, for one. She can be an operator. |
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| Terrorcons45 | Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:46 am Post #1907 |
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Cobra Commander
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Hopeful there will be no cut to the DWG3 roster. Most characters will be playable from 3. |
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| Master Omega | Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:48 am Post #1908 |
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Moving on from that complete non-sequitur. . .I don't think we can expect anyone to be cut. Koei has gone out of their way to put characters and MS back in. |
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| Wild Lion | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:08 am Post #1909 |
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The problem with the story writing in DWG3 is not that the dialogue is too short, it's that Koei doesn't make the characters do anything except repeat lines from their shows. There's no actual characterization other than "I'm Setsuna and we are Gundam! Where is your God! I sound like a demotivational poster!" There's no development, there's no change in their character, and they never really interact with anyone. Everyone says the exact same thing to everyone else: "I don't know what's going on! We need information!" "Let's attack those people for information!" -battle- "Okay we beat them. Did we get information?" "Our new information is that we have no information." Repeat ad nauseum. None of the characters do anything unique or memorable like they did in DWG1, like with Milliardo on a crusade against funnels, Master Asia determined to make Heero his new disciple, or Puru learning the Sekiha Tenkyouken. The key to a good crossover story is to actually show what might happen if these characters met, not how many quotes they can fling at each other. Edited by Wild Lion, Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:08 am.
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| Master Omega | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:12 am Post #1910 |
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Precisely, the pilots are flanderized to the point where they can't have any meaningful interactions, just spouting their famous lines. DWG3 was horribly rushed, and it shows. Hopefully that isn't the case here so I can have an excuse to skip much of Official Mode lol. |
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| Joshelplex | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:14 am Post #1911 |
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The Nightmare of Winnipeg
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The only thin that wasactually changed tp any extend in dubbing Seed was that the Japanese version of Seed tiptoes around mentioning the PTSD Kira might have developed by the midpoint. The dub actually implies it in a few conversations. That's a change for the better though, because he obviously did, and basically ignoring it was dumb. |
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| Wild Lion | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:19 am Post #1912 |
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I wish they would have simply stuck with DWG1's format and continued the story, keeping all the past interactions and developments. Imagine if in DWG2 Heero had the Sekiha Tenkyouken as one of his SPs. (sorry, it was Master Asia trying to teach Heero the ST, not Puru) We could have had actual unique characters that developed beyond their own archetypes by now and have it reflect in the gameplay itself. I think one of the problems is that the Koei devs are far too used to totally redoing the stories for every game, and have no idea how to actually continue one. If they would have kept all the development and relationships from the first game, there would be no worry about trying to fit everyone into the spotlight since the older characters would already have their development from the last game. It would simply be a case of figuring out how they will react to the new characters introduced. Edited by Wild Lion, Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:26 am.
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| Cydge | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:22 am Post #1913 |
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Wanderer
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Too funny. But sadly, it's true. |
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| Master Omega | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:27 am Post #1914 |
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Yeah, I agree with that notion. Koei constantly revamps their stories, that for once I'd like to see something stick with the storyline. It'd be even better if they took some risks in terms of storytelling, like having plotlines where characters die if you don't complete certain objectives in Original Mode. For one, it provides extra replay value and incentive to complete objectives. Second, it actually sneaks up on players to see a character they like or maybe hate die in a blaze of glory lol. Edited by Master Omega, Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:34 am.
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| Zeik Liberated | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:41 am Post #1915 |
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I never said DWG3 had a story anywhere close to a SRW one, I simply said it works in pretty much the same gameplay format Talking - Action - Talking and as such there's no reason why we can't have a SRW level story but using DWG gameplay.... I also agree with the notion that since 2 the pilots have all been made into stuipd cut outs made to shout there signature lines over and over. Funnily I never felt that in DWG1 back then they actually knew how to have to characters talk to each other with random quotes though.... |
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| kaiosuke37 | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:44 am Post #1916 |
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I'm not sure if this was already asked, but is this coming to the U.S.? |
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| Red Rum | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:48 am Post #1917 |
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I believe they've more or less confirmed it one day will. |
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| DoUbLe Zz Mk2 | Mon Dec 2, 2013 2:21 am Post #1918 |
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First Lieutenant
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4-7 months after japan release, much like when DWG3 came out! We didnt get it till like june, and japan had it since line Nov of 2010 |
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| wodash | Mon Dec 2, 2013 2:34 am Post #1919 |
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undefeated in all directions
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didn't remember that, last time i played she was learning how to Summon Gundams and how to do the (double)God Finger instead and and yeah, the Quebeley summon scene=still epic, ditto with Domon God Finger-ing every single new MS he encounters(only to fail, except for the Musha, which he obliterates) scenes and story wise, GM had degraded horribly along the lines... |
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| Wild Lion | Mon Dec 2, 2013 3:09 am Post #1920 |
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Damn, now I think I'm going to get another copy of GM1 |
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| tyrox9 | Mon Dec 2, 2013 4:29 am Post #1921 |
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SEED's dubs and subs were awesome. The VA really felt like they were giving it their all in emotion an drive. I think all of gundam's dubbings have been pretty good. Only 'Infamous' gundam dubs i know of is in Wing which; *English dubs- Mark Hidrith, Heero's VA, did such a terrible job that the dubs company got angry at him, and when it was all done and they finished all their Wing stuff, they fired Mark and told him they wont be hiring him for another gundam series ever again. mark Hidrith then went on to blame the guy in charge for his bad work, and play it off like he didnt want to come back, but he only said this after all the fans lashed out on him for his shoddy work. So now Eng heero is just Kirby Morrow, trowa's VA I think, prolly cause they thought "well, they are just about the same character anyways, at least Kirby did a better job" And then the laughable blind translation in the dialogue, for example; Zechs "No! No machine gun for him", said when ordering to shoot an enemy down. And calling the Buster Rifle a Beam Gatling. and how Lady Une's rank shifted from Lt. to Col. a lot. then *Latin Dubs- Made Trowa and Quattre actually, and excuse this term, gay. As in, like, real guy love. Edited by tyrox9, Mon Dec 2, 2013 4:57 am.
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| SazukeEX | Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:36 am Post #1922 |
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Behold Sun Shi! The Fiery Tiger Cub of Sun Ce, Lu Xun's Tigress, and the Mother Tiger of Lu Kang!
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The main difference between SRW crossovers is that the characters acknowledge each other and build actual relationships with those outside their circle. They also tend to pop up in the story even after their plot is over, even minor characters have things to say. DWG3 didn't really have any relationships made, the characters didn't really acknowledge each other outside a first meeting or the such, and it just felt so lifeless. Hopefully SDWG will do a much better job with the crossover stuff in that mode. At the very least Official Modes look like they will be alright. Edited by SazukeEX, Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:37 am.
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| Yunchan | Mon Dec 2, 2013 9:55 am Post #1923 |
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Tiger General
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| Master Omega | Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:05 pm Post #1924 |
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| Zeik Liberated | Mon Dec 2, 2013 1:28 pm Post #1925 |
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Yes I'd be totally fine with that and inevitably you'd hit shows like Wing that actually don't require a massive job to finish and so room for padding would be available . Also consider they have hit 2 full shows here (gonna ignore Unicorn here for a second, since it's not exactly getting finished) as much as people like to act like Seed and Destiny are only one. If we continued on competing 2 full shows + maybe like a OVA each game I'd be more than happy.
And again if fan bases really can't find a few adds from a full Gundam show to get happy about, they need help. |
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