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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,257 Views)
Daosiying
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Official in the sense as what was contained in that series.

They're canon now. In the same vein that Hayato was a Guncannon pilot and that Sayla and Sleggar flew a Core Booster instead of a G-Fighter. While the events may have occurred, as far as the series is being treated now EW designs are what were "officially" being piloted. Won't stop the model kits though because extra designs just means more money and awesome kits.
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Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:35 am
Sunrise considers Anime Canon > Manga Canon. So unless GotD/L is made into an anime those suits aren't considered canon.
But that doesn't mean anything as far as video games are concerned. Crossbone is not animated either, and neither is Sentinel, yet those get regular appearances.
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Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:26 am
Ok now I'm interested in this game again. Even if I have to spend an extra 500 yen on Wing Zero Custom. Still a way more interesting add to me than all this seed shenanigans. That was seriously keeping me away from this.
So 24 new, varying units does nothing for ya, and turns you away. but 1 existing unit that's just cosmetically different, with less features, and costs you 5 extra bucks is what sells you? just because of what series they are from?

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as for canon speak, general consensus, i believe, is 1) if it's in main stream animation (TV, OVA, Movie), its canon.
2) as long as it doesn't directly contradict the animation, non animation (Mangas/Visual novels/games etc.) can be considered canon too.
3)if there is multiple versions; like a TV series, then a manga version, or a novelization version, the Animation version reigns supreme every time.
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I hope we get some decent reveals this week, or at least Gameplay for the Druggies or the Joule team. I just wants to see me some Buster or Calamity. that's all I really want form this game if the Arche, Gerbera or Talgeese 1 are no-shows
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Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:45 am
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Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:26 am
Ok now I'm interested in this game again. Even if I have to spend an extra 500 yen on Wing Zero Custom. Still a way more interesting add to me than all this seed shenanigans. That was seriously keeping me away from this.
So 24 new, varying units does nothing for ya, and turns you away. but 1 existing unit that's just cosmetically different, with less features, and costs you 5 extra bucks is what sells you? just because of what series they are from?
Piss off. If I don't like Seed, I don't like Seed. The 1st and 3rd games were good because the adds were evenly spaced out. Whereas this game might as well been Alliance vs ZAFT or whatever that Vita title was. And frankly those two games are better as Gundam titles.

Plus the only units from seed I give any two cents about are Astrays and Stargazer's designs. Everything else was just some boring rehash with the exception of the Blitz and even then it didn't go very far since it a got sword jammed into its torso.
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Those other games didn't try and push for a full blown retelling of a series though. SEED/Destiny is getting the Official Mode treatment so it needs a ton of additions because it had only a couple coming from DWG3.

Maybe next game will focus on another series like 00 or flesh out more UC. However, as of right now they're fleshing out SEED/Destiny so its official mode isn't a joke and to showcase how serious they are about this new model regarding this series.

That and HD Remasters and stuff... May as well go for easy money and that's SEED/Destiny as other than Unicorn and Gunpla that's what Gundam fans, for the most part, are watching or talking about.

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Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:37 am
SazukeEX
Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:35 am
Sunrise considers Anime Canon > Manga Canon. So unless GotD/L is made into an anime those suits aren't considered canon.
But that doesn't mean anything as far as video games are concerned. Crossbone is not animated either, and neither is Sentinel, yet those get regular appearances.
Yes well games are non-canon so typically they don't worry too much about what Sunrise says is canon.

Though they do take preference for things that have an Anime version.
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Daosiying
Wed Dec 4, 2013 2:24 am
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Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:45 am
Daosiying
Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:26 am
Ok now I'm interested in this game again. Even if I have to spend an extra 500 yen on Wing Zero Custom. Still a way more interesting add to me than all this seed shenanigans. That was seriously keeping me away from this.
So 24 new, varying units does nothing for ya, and turns you away. but 1 existing unit that's just cosmetically different, with less features, and costs you 5 extra bucks is what sells you? just because of what series they are from?
Piss off. If I don't like Seed, I don't like Seed. The 1st and 3rd games were good because the adds were evenly spaced out. Whereas this game might as well been Alliance vs ZAFT or whatever that Vita title was. And frankly those two games are better as Gundam titles.

Plus the only units from seed I give any two cents about are Astrays and Stargazer's designs. Everything else was just some boring rehash with the exception of the Blitz and even then it didn't go very far since it a got sword jammed into its torso.
I disliked the majority of additions in GM3. I hadn't cared much for unicorn yet, since it was barely out. I hate 00. and the Unicorn and 00Rs balancing was completely broken. the Wing units were... terrible and cheaply made, except T2. and GP-01 was pretty bland. And knight is cool, but much like the Musha's, wasnt exactly hyped over it. still got the game, and played the hell out of it, getting enough enjoyment out of it.

And you dont need to like Seed to get enjoyment out of the units. Even most people who dislike the show loved the mobile suits. they were awesome, and heavily varied, and brought a lot of new stuff like Rangs, and interchangeable packs , and quadrupeds, and etc. No need to be petty, and ignorant, and frankly just plain sad over it.

besides, GM2 was the best game. easily. and this one is following that example strongly.
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So we're now what, 2 weeks away? I hope that means tons of video for us tomorrow/Thursday/whatever that time zone even is
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I'm excited to see just how different WZC is from the TV version

I hope it uses its wings as weapons in some attacks, and covers itself with them while guarding
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While it's not much, I'm glad to see that the DLC at least offers something not related to SEED. Though we'll have to see what other treats are in store for us, since the EW Custom is certainly not on the top of my personal wants list.

Still, downright hilarious that our first look at DLC is Wing related, considering some of the posts made here.
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Not exactly happy about wing zero custom as dlc since the altron and sandrock haven't been added to the game yet. Well it's something other than seed I guess. Not sun e really how to feel about this. Any physical images of the WZC in action yet or no?
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Wed Dec 4, 2013 1:45 am
So 24 new, varying units does nothing for ya, and turns you away. but 1 existing unit that's just cosmetically different, with less features, and costs you 5 extra bucks is what sells you? just because of what series they are from?
Tyrox, why do you even care if someone is suddenly happy with this game over a single add? Oh right, because it isn't a Seed add and its a Wing add, particularly one you despise. :rolleyes:

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And you dont need to like Seed to get enjoyment out of the units. Even most people who dislike the show loved the mobile suits. they were awesome, and heavily varied, and brought a lot of new stuff like Rangs, and interchangeable packs , and quadrupeds, and etc. No need to be petty, and ignorant, and frankly just plain sad over it.


Maybe he just doesn't like the suits? Just because you adore them doesn't mean that everyone will simply agree with your opinion here as we've seen for weeks now. Plus, just because you despise a suit doesn't mean everyone will agree with you either. Tyrox, for someone who's quick to call someone else petty, you are pretty quick to act that way yourself.

Just chill out. CE has gotten tons of adds and you should be happy about that. Why care if other people suddenly get suits that they've been interested in for a while?
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I normally I aviod your discussions but I'm just unsober enough to say this: tyrox if aguy isn't sold on something then he isn't sold. Let it be man for seed fan you have gotten more than you could ask for, be happy, leave it at that. Goddamit, oh well, apologize gentlemen I will refrain in the future.
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because it's a really... REALLY... silly mindset to have. its not so much the about him not liking something, and then liking something else. it's the fact that out of like a total 30 confirmed suits, awesome new gameplay additions, and a return to the most accepted crossover version, the only thing that pleased him was this one single addition variation is what sells him on it, to pay $65 for the game. Could of been anything, UC, AC, CC, whatever G gundam was.

But naturally you instantly want to go there Wesky. Can never think of anything else, can you? Somebody gets negative about Wing, and you just jump in and say that. Wesky... :no:
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So 24 new, varying units does nothing for ya, and turns you away. but 1 existing unit that's just cosmetically different, with less features, and costs you 5 extra bucks is what sells you? just because of what series they are from?
Tyler, why do you even care if someone is suddenly happy with this game over a single add? Oh right, because it isn't a Seed add and its a Wing add, particularly one you despise. :rolleyes:

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And you dont need to like Seed to get enjoyment out of the units. Even most people who dislike the show loved the mobile suits. they were awesome, and heavily varied, and brought a lot of new stuff like Rangs, and interchangeable packs , and quadrupeds, and etc. No need to be petty, and ignorant, and frankly just plain sad over it.


Maybe he just doesn't like the suits? Just because you adore them doesn't mean that everyone will simply agree with your opinion here as we've seen for weeks now. Plus, just because you despise a suit doesn't mean everyone will agree with you either. Tyrox, for someone who's quick to call someone else petty, you are pretty quick to act that way yourself.

Just chill out. CE has gotten tons of adds and you should be happy about that. Why care if other people suddenly get suits that they've been interested in for a while?
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Seriously, I don't even read this forum anymore unless I see it was Blackkite who posted last.

Go make (not just Tyrox, but handful of ppl) your own topic called "my series/suit/pilot/ideas are better than yours :meantongue: " and leave this topic for people that actually want to talk about the GAME.

Sorry Blackkite, know we just added to the spam but enough is enough geez
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Well thank you for acknowledging my post but then you used that to attack anyway. Well my original question still stands are there any scans of WZC? I may not be happy but I'm still curious.
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lets look at it this way, this game has;
*The biggest unit addition in the entire series. there are 30 new suits CONFIRMED SO FAR. and wanna know how many of those are mook suits? 5. that means 25 of these additions are like, big time units with depth. And theres still more to come!
*units and characters have transformations, power ups, special modes. like, all of them do, not just certain units.
*Added playable MAs, and Warships now have an effect on the battlefield
* the official modes have beene xpanded!
*The main crossover mode is returning to a style thats beloved for its shared limelight.
*The number of enemies on screen has a huge boost, and the game is a more awesome, faster pace.

This game is going to be awesome!

My point is, Why doesn't THESE things sell the game to you haters and fanboys? The fanbase is waaaaay too divided, to the point where the deciding factor for so many people is the featured series. Why dont you just shut up that 2 timelines get more attention here, because they are notably bigger than others. Why cant you just enjoy the fact this game has sooooo much in it.
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Can everyone just chill out already? If he doesn't want to get the game because certain things aren't added in than that's his right. I mean I'm not getting DW8XL anymore after I saw the poor quality in regards to storytelling despite Lu Bu time being hyped a big deal when it was pretty much an after thought by Koei. Had some try and convince me otherwise or belittle me for not buying the game because of something they saw as small or petty. To them, yes. To me it's a big deal.

Personally I'm getting this game even if Heine, Altron(Wufei), Sandrock Kai(Quatre), Noin, Savior Gundam, and the such don't make it in. As what they've shown so far has convinced me that this game is worth a purchase.
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Seems like things are starting to get off hand again here...

tyrox, you don't call it a silly mindset because it's outright flaming somebody. It's personal preferences, and everybody have different tastes for those. So you should learn to appreciate other people's preferences because not everyone shares the same preferences as you.

For example, in GW3 I pretty much only had an eye on DX and I used it 80% of the time in the game, does that make me short-minded then?

Or if back then in GW2 when the first 3 SEED Gundams were added, then you said you're only interested in Strike Freedom and couldn't care less about the others, then someone else mocked you as having silly mindset, then how would you feel?

Looks like things are getting more hectic here recently.. I really don't like to be stricter and actually giving out punishments, but if things keep getting worse, I'll have no other choice....



Anyway let's cut that discussion for good and back to the game. The HD gameplay videos are now up ^_^
Quin Mantha - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNXVt9RdnX8
Justice Gundam - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD-dqjuXZnM
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Quin Mantha... It makes me wish ZZ wasn't crossed out for an Official Mode. Unicorn's going to be confusing as heck to those that don't understand the ZZ plot/story due to Unicorn detailing quite a few things that happened in ZZ.
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Wow, even more than the other MAs Quin Mantha seems to ooze power with every attack, I actually look forward to playing it!
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I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the QM moves so much faster and more fluidly than the others shown thus far. Plus, I'm liking the coverage it has with its moveset.

Once again, Justice is hilariously better looking than the IJ moveset-wise, not much else to say on it for obvious reasons.
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QM looks awesome cause it seems to have more melee orientation comapred to the other MAs. i mean, nothing quite like a guile flash kick, but those big swords rock. and yet still has those awesome beam rain moves.

is Alpha Azeiru next on the MA reveal lsit?
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Ah the QM looking as awesome as always, especially so now in HD, same for the Justice, can't wait to get my hands on ALL of the MA's personally.
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Some of them don't look too great since they have like a Class 2 moveset. Class 2 and 3 suits are really just novelties to me, I always get bored very quickly with so few attacks to use. I wish they would make an effort to promote a few more Class 2s to C1 and Class 3s to 2 with every game.

If we get the Serpent as a grunt in the EW scenario I'll be very happy, that thing was always my favorite grunt

Hope for some scans soon. I want to see some pics of the stages... always wanted a stage like Brussels with a maze of buildings and tight roads that really shows the scale of the MS. It's so easy to forget with the huge hallways and flat planes that these are giant robots and not dudes in costumes.

Since Koei seems to have a boner for aerial stages in this game, I'm betting it's going to be the atmospheric duel with Nataku.
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