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| Joshelplex | Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:56 am Post #2301 |
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The Nightmare of Winnipeg
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Wing suffers from a lack of Aces and a lack of notable battles. All the most famous fights in Wing were duels, and then the finale, and then EW's battle in Brussels. It would work much better to have History Missions than a full campaign. that also applies to G and Turn A. Even 00 suffers a lot in that regard, having very few major battles across either season. Seed had a massive array of enemy Aces, and a bunch of Iconic battles to back it up. Most other's really dont. |
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:28 am Post #2302 |
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G Gundam has the mission it deserves. the Gundam Fight Special Mission, which was the highlight of GM3 imo. As long as it has that, i think it's being justice as far as missions go. Still need ad characters. Its sad for Turn A that its soooo... different. One of its finest charms, and biggest weaknesses. I love Turn A with all my heart, and find it sucks that really it's only main used stuff it Loran/Turn A, Gym/Turn X, and sometimes Harry/G. Sumo and Sochie/Kapool whick is a mook. though i think Corin and his Eagail could work in more things. i think 00 could work fine for an OM. though it does suffer from a lot of the same drawbacks as Wing, it's definitely more organized with them, at least has its sides and factions down and could tell a coherent story of Celestial Being's adventures while using all four of the gundam pilots fair enough.. Wing's problems lies in it's lack of fleshing. All the factions mostly used the same units, leos, and OZ really felt liek the only real faction everyone esle were just like rebel groups in comparison.. they didnt have a variety of tough opponents outside of the main direct cast. Didnt have much in the way of notable battlefields, bases, missions, battleships. and fights were either a huge mook slaughterdome or one on one duels without a real outcome. |
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| SazukeEX | Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:30 am Post #2303 |
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Behold Sun Shi! The Fiery Tiger Cub of Sun Ce, Lu Xun's Tigress, and the Mother Tiger of Lu Kang!
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Well it is true that SEED/Destiny really pushed for all the action and less on the off time outside the battling mecha. Wing had plenty of screen time dedicated to not fighting but instead talking which is why it makes such a great fit in games like SRW. While a full on Official mode would be very hard to accomplish in comparison as it would only focus on battles. |
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| Abyss4 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:33 am Post #2304 |
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If 00 ever gets fleshed out, I feel like the GN-X's should be Class 1's or at least Class 2's, since they were supposed to be on par, spec-wise, with the Gundams. |
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:44 am Post #2305 |
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oh yeah, a GN-X(III) are definitely Class 2 material. Elite/Commander mook units usually are class 2, like the Gelgoog. |
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| Re4_Wesker | Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:58 am Post #2306 |
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Antagonist?
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I'd like to point out that DWG has already taken small scale fights and turned them into large scale fights several times. This is something that every official mode ingame has been guilty of doing at some point or another. The Earth atmosphere mission DWG 2 for MSG was only a few Zaku II's, Char and Amuro originally but to fit this game series they blew it out of proportion with huge armies. In other cases they've merged battles, such as having Ramba Ral and the Black Tri Stars in the same battle. This will probably be even more so apparent in Shin, where we have series that are starting from the very beginning. MSG will likely have Amuro fighting armies of Zakus in the first mission and this will likely be mirrored with Seed's official modes to. In fact, Seed suffers from the same issue in that regard because a great deal of the fights in the first half are Kira/& Mu taking on the Creuset team. The only notable fights early on involved the Federations rather terrible Mobile Armors/Fighters, and if those are ingame yet, we haven't seen them. Then there's of course Unicorn, which has had several small scale fights itself which will likely be large scale. Just look at the footage for the episode 5 fight between Unicorn and Banshee for example. We both know there weren't nearly that many mobile suits there. So really I think the size of the fight is a meaningless argument when it comes to why series can't have official modes in DWG to begin with. they've clearly stretched the truth on battles several times in the past across various series. Doing this with Wing wouldn't be anything new. As for History missions, those were frankly embarrassing in DWG 3. Like really, Gundam X's History mission was battling Devil Gundam. I don't think I have to say any more about how little sense that makes. If you were to do a History mode format, I'd suggest doing a few duels (basically 1v1/2/3/whatever) missions mixed with some battles, with the right units involved in them, with special dialogue, and a cutscene or two here or there. That way it could resemble a middle ground between these random missions and a official mode. |
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| Toramaru | Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:14 am Post #2307 |
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Wing's White Knight
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Okay, I have to respond again, as some people still don't get it. It is a fact that G Gundam nearly killed the Gundam franchise, that's not opinion. Wing was quite commercially successful, however, and revitalized the franchise. Also, Wing was the first Gundam series localized in the US and was also commercially successful over here, too. Without its success, the localization teams wouldn't have bothered with other series coming before it. Now, Had SEED still been made, it might've still got localized. Also, I've never heard anything other than bashing of Wing from Tyrox, and now I'm hearing it from Josh too. Wing's suits were far more interesting than the complete boredom that was 00, imo. Also, 00 didn't have two series, it had two "seasons" and a movie(which was a total disaster), and it was still only one episode longer than Wing. 00: Season 1: 25 episodes, Season 2: 25 episodes, 1 Movie: Awakening of the Trailblazer. Wing: 49 episodes, 1 Movie: Endless Waltz(which was excellent, btw). Compare for yourself. By the way, Leos were at least as interesting as Zakus, imo. Plus, There was Aries, Virgo, Cancer, Pisces, & Taurus for mass-produced suits. I'm tired of so many people talking like they know something about Wing when they apparently didn't even watch the series. Now, I liked 00, though found it boring in comparison to SEED/Destiny and Wing. I found the suit designs to be highly bland and weird-looking. Exia was my favorite MS in that series, the rest were meh. The fact is, You don't like Wing, fine. Just don't come out with nonsense that it doesn't deserve or couldn't maintain an Official Mode just because of your bias against it. Wing is popular, even being outdated in comparison to SEED/Destiny and 00. Not only that, It's popular in both the US and Japan. Someone wants to argue my points, fine. Go for it, but I'm tired of this so I won't be bogging down this Topic with petty disagreements anymore. I know the Moderator's likely getting tired of this, so I'll try to salvage the Topic: Shin Gundam Musou is shaping up to be the most awesome of the Gundam Musou games, but I do have some reservations about the Ultimate Mode. I hope it's not as lame and boring as GM2's Mission Mode. I'm also looking forward to a few of the new pilots/MS from SEED/Destiny and seeing SEED/Destiny's Official Mode. Well, I'm moving on now. -- Signed: ~Toramaru, "Hatred leads to nothing, and revenge brings only emptiness..." |
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| PhineBuyM3 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:41 am Post #2308 |
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Han's Unifier
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This is gonna be good. |
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:44 am Post #2309 |
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Again, Im not trying to bash anything. just stating an opinion. a non-positive opinion doesnt mean im trying to make fun of it. Dont take it too harshly. I jsut dont think the way Wing carried itself fits for a story mode. Its made a perfectly good fighting game, and can work when with other series. and the first half SEED had Kira/Mwu fight Crueset team, the Desert Tiger , The Carpenter Base Submarine team, and the Zala team, ranging from around 7-8 different Ace Pilots between the 4 teams; Miguel, Athrun, yzak, Dearka, Nicol, Rau, Andrew, and Marco. Edited by tyrox9, Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:44 am.
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| Wild Lion | Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:47 am Post #2310 |
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Legend
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To be fair, most of the Gundam series are a poor fit for the Musou game style. This was actually a big concern back when this series was first announced. They made it work though, and if they wanted to make an Official Mode for Wing they would be able to fudge the battles enough to make that work too. For the next game however, I expect the OYW to get the main focus since it will most likely be coming out after The Origin's anime is finished sometime in 2015. CE is mainly getting all this attention because of the Remasters currently airing. If Wing got remasters aired on TV it would probably get some more attention in the game as well. But unless Frozen Teardrop or Glory gets animated, I expect it to stay on the side in any future games. Edited by Wild Lion, Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:53 am.
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:49 am Post #2311 |
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yeah. thats a pretty fair assessment to make. |
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| BlackKite | Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:05 am Post #2312 |
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Okay now, once again please stop inciting another flamed debate. Toramaru, pointing at somebody like that when we're just about to get the discussion sorted out doesn't help at all. So please watch your posts next time. Thank you Anyway the new videos could come between 1 to 3 hours from now, based on past releases. I might be away for the next hour though.. >.> |
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| Wild Lion | Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:11 am Post #2313 |
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Legend
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I wonder how much of the DLC is already decided? It would be nice if they waited to do a fan poll or at least take a look at what people are asking for. I would also like it if the DLC came out in longer intervals to keep the game alive longer. Hopefully this time the online will be more fun and keep an active community |
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:19 am Post #2314 |
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its always this time that gets the anxiety pumping and the jitters down my back xD. Edited by tyrox9, Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:19 am.
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| All i do is Train | Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:13 am Post #2315 |
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Elite Soldier
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NZ-333 α Azieru: http://ggame.jp/musou_movie.php?movie_id=26 GAT-X207 Blitz Gundam: http://ggame.jp/musou_movie.php?movie_id=27 Edit: Is the videos not working or showing for everybody else or is it just me? Edit: Nvm, just had JavaScript turned off. Edit: They also added 2 additional more slots. Edited by All i do is Train, Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:22 am.
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| Joshelplex | Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:47 am Post #2316 |
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The Nightmare of Winnipeg
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Well, Blitz aint no Calamity, but I'll take me sum dat. Can't wait til thse hit the Chinese site tomorrow. Love that ninja bugger. Still need to see me my GUNS the Gundam though. |
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| Wild Lion | Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:50 am Post #2317 |
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Blitz is looking pretty boring, reminds me a lot of Deathscythe. I guess they can't all be crazy and flashy |
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:57 am Post #2318 |
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Alpha Azeiru was a bit bleh. the other MA's looked so much more destructive and fun. Blitz was fricking nuts though. that was pretty awesome. Gotta say, quite surprised AND impressed by the amount of 'Glepnir' Rocket Anchor usage. and how coudl you say that Blitz is as boring as DS was? Blitz looked magnitudes moee exciting and awesome. Anchoring that fool, then swinging him around like mario and bowser. Edited by tyrox9, Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:59 am.
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| Joshelplex | Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:08 am Post #2319 |
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The Nightmare of Winnipeg
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Does Blitz use his spear launcher at all? |
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:09 am Post #2320 |
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yeah. in the second little clip part, at the end of its Anchor whipping move, it pulled a group of the enemies up to it, and then blasted them away with a triple Dart shot. Edited by tyrox9, Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:10 am.
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| Joshelplex | Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:14 am Post #2321 |
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The Nightmare of Winnipeg
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The wait for these to hit a site I can view them on shall be long indeed. I'm not super big on Seed, but man, the suits they have. So stupid by Gundam standards that they wind up amazing here. |
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| bigmacthecaveman | Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:26 am Post #2322 |
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First Lieutenant
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Yes I get to see Blitz in action, can't wait. I just hope I can tell whats happening. When I watched Buster on the chinese site the only thing I could make out was the spin kicks. |
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:28 am Post #2323 |
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New unit Moves Rounds up! Alpha Z!: Spoiler: click to toggle Blitz!: Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Terrorcons45 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:15 am Post #2324 |
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Cobra Commander
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Thanks All I do is Train and tyrox9. I can't beleive they will still show two MS videos at a time with the release being next week. Unless they are gox to release during the talkshow but I won't hold my breathe on that. |
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| tyrox9 | Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:33 am Post #2325 |
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AND they apparently added more video slots? Weirdest. Marketing. Ever. |
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