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When should we expect WO4?
Topic Started: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:00 pm (4,768 Views)
Kunoichime
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Hopefully after DW9 as SW4 should be on Empires or XL by then and at the complete end of it's run. The WO series is my favorite of the three so I really hope it happens.

Additionally I'd like them to pull a DW7 and put up the old WO scenarios from WO1 as DLC . I'd love to go through WO1 again, but there's been so many changes in gameplay functions that I just wouldn't enjoy it without it being revamped. The DW2 stages in DW7 were the best part of it for me, and the thing I missed most from DW8.
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as long as they take their sweet time to make it fantastic, then no wait is too long.*

*but my limit is ten years :crazy:
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I'm really expecting for this!
I don't really mind for the storyline though,
I haven't even played WO3 anyways -_-
And I do hope they'll have this released on PC,
When?
Dunno, TK still have many yet-to-be-done-checklists,
like, SW4 Empire, SW4-II on Steam, plus other non-Warrior games,
Edited by SJZ, Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:49 pm.
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^No shade but if you really want to play Koei games, get yourself a console. Koei has a bad tracking record on selling their games on PC/Steam. Get a console and you'll be able to play their new games.

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Anyway, as far as WO4 goes, theres too many characters this time around, they need to go back to faction storylines + gaiden stages like in WOZ so at least some characters will have some sort of screen time. Koei also need to make the team switch to 4 instead of 3 to increase replayability.

If they cant do this, they need to expand on the Mystic storyline and completely ditch the SW/DW characters and focus on whats happening after they all go back to the Mystic Realm.
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I think Orochi 3 gave us a pretty definitive ending with everyone returning to their own world and thinking it was all a big dream.

Perhaps that was a bit of closure on Koei's part.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:42 pm
I think Orochi 3 gave us a pretty definitive ending with everyone returning to their own world and thinking it was all a big dream.

Perhaps that was a bit of closure on Koei's part.
I also feel that way... but I think WO4 isn't completely out of the question.

I'm personally not very interested in this series anymore, I feel WO3U was really the definitive Warriors Orochi game and it gave me everything I wanted (sorry if that sounds weird lol). So I wouldn't be nowhere near interested in WO4 than SW5 or DW9.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:42 pm
I think Orochi 3 gave us a pretty definitive ending with everyone returning to their own world and thinking it was all a big dream.

Perhaps that was a bit of closure on Koei's part.
I also feel that way... but I think WO4 isn't completely out of the question.

I'm personally not very interested in this series anymore, I feel WO3U was really the definitive Warriors Orochi game and it gave me everything I wanted (sorry if that sounds weird lol). So I wouldn't be nowhere near interested in WO4 than SW5 or DW9.
Similar feelings here. I got exactly what I wanted with WO3/WO3U in terms of story and gameplay.

I've probably said this before, but the only potential storyline I could imagine, would be if the Mystics were faced with an even larger threat (maybe Hundun?) and they have no other choice but to recruit the DW/SW humans once again by approaching them in their respective timelines (possibly through battle for those who don't retain any memories of the Orochi universe) and maybe even requiring them to resurrect and ally with Orochi to overcome this threat. Basically, a redemption arc for Orochi/Ying Long.

It's pointless and just as cheesy as any of their other "resurrect Orochi" stories we've had so far, but I could see it happening. Like I said, I don't need the series to continue, but wouldn't exactly be shocked if it did :hehe:
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I have to admit even if it was over used, Orochi resurrecting as a big Yamata form was a good move from Koei.

To be honest I think the story would be hard to work on, unless they plan for DLC since there are some unanswered questions in the series, but that will always happen. I think the series would be better with some more demons now because well they are awesome looking and so far have proven to be really cool.

I think the best solution would be to have a Warriors Orochi Empires appear first, then hopefully after that we could have a kingdom based story again.

Some characters would be shuffled like in Warriors Orochi 1-2 and serve other Kingdoms.

Not sure how many would/could be added since you could list 8 from DW (+Yuan Shao Force, Dong Zhuo Force and Ma Teng Force) and 10 from SW.

I would make it at times that sometimes each story would have an ally like perhaps Liu Bei and Ma Teng team up to take on Cao Cao or Sun Jian teams up with the Hojo for example. There would be some really good showdowns which I think would be way over due.

Hopefully the Orochi Force gains some more new evil humanoid people as well as some demons, I would like to see a fair amount so they would rival a Kingdom. I would like to think that the Orochi force would own a fair amount of the universe map.

The Mystics I think would be a mix bag, some joining a Kingdom/Clan or some joining Sunsano'o.

Also a neat touch would be to have some people who would join the story later and start of independent. I don't know why but I think a Zhuge Dan and Hisahide Matsunaga force would be funny to see.

I am not sure how the WO universe works but I would find it cool if Cao Cao ended up finding out that Sima Yi usurped Wei in the past or that Ma Chao would warn his dad bout how crafty Cao Cao is and he lost after Ma Teng died or that Nobunaga Oda knew who united Japan. It would make it really chaotic for the universe and some being suspicious of others.

Issue is though that Samurai Warriors is going to have to catch up because otherwise some stories would have more people in them. I guess it would be too much though having all that content. Right now I think a WO Empires is the next step. It would give the directors a break from the story or give players their chance to make a story in many different "What If's". Still though I think we could do with some more evil humans that serve Orochi and perhaps some cool demons. I am sure player's would really like to make a scenario with plenty of people in.

I would guess Empires being made first then to celebrate a milestone year they will throw in WO4 on that year. Would say perhaps 2017 for Empires and years later WO4.
Edited by eNeMeE, Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:08 am.
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Honestly, I don't see WO4 happening until at least DW9 comes out, and they make some mechanics changes to the DW9 characters. Otherwise, everything in WO4 would be horribly skewed in favor of the SW characters because they have Hyper/Godspeed attacks.
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Honestly, I don't see WO4 happening until at least DW9 comes out, and they make some mechanics changes to the DW9 characters. Otherwise, everything in WO4 would be horribly skewed in favor of the SW characters because they have Hyper/Godspeed attacks.
The thing with SW characters is that theyve had their movesets since SW1 with only MINOR changes or additions. That alone is not enough for me.

DW has evolved many times with movesets and musou attacks. Id like to see WO4 once both SW/DW has received a complete overhaul.
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:11 pm
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:16 am
Honestly, I don't see WO4 happening until at least DW9 comes out, and they make some mechanics changes to the DW9 characters. Otherwise, everything in WO4 would be horribly skewed in favor of the SW characters because they have Hyper/Godspeed attacks.
The thing with SW characters is that theyve had their movesets since SW1 with only MINOR changes or additions. That alone is not enough for me.

DW has evolved many times with movesets and musou attacks. Id like to see WO4 once both SW/DW has received a complete overhaul.
SW movesets have actually changed a lot since the first game.

Masamune and Oichi have completely different movesets and weapons now. Mitsuhide and Hideyoshi movesets have been more or less revamped since they changed to Normal moveset types. Although Mitsuhide's was further changed to Hyper, most of his SW2 moves are still there.

The rest of the veterans have had various changes to certain attacks. Like Magoichi's received a completely new musou since SW2, Shingen's attacks were given the "Wind-Fire-Forest-Mountain" elements, Yukimura's C3 was revamped...

Everyone received R1+square and R1+triangle in SW2. Some characters did lose their other one since SW3, though, which is a shame.

Then everyone got C5 in SW2XL, which was extended to C5-2 or C5-3 in SW4, depending on their moveset types. Some of the C5 from SW2XL were replaced with entire new C5 attack strings in SW4 as well, actually.

Each character got Spirit charge and Ultimate Musou in SW3. And SW4 added a new musou finisher for every character that triggers when the musou attacks has been looped for a few secs.

And finally, everyone got Hyper attacks in SW4 (12-16 moves), which has changed the combat drastically now, because they're so overpowered... They replaced old C1. Running attacks were also omitted in SW4 because they became obsolete.

So saying there have only been minor changes is kinda incorrect. In my opinion the only time they didn't evolve enough was in SW3, but we're way past that now so it doesn't really matter at this point.
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I want the original characters to have new movesets and musou and should include second musou.
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:14 pm
Wynter
Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:11 pm
DeeeFoo
Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:16 am
Honestly, I don't see WO4 happening until at least DW9 comes out, and they make some mechanics changes to the DW9 characters. Otherwise, everything in WO4 would be horribly skewed in favor of the SW characters because they have Hyper/Godspeed attacks.
The thing with SW characters is that theyve had their movesets since SW1 with only MINOR changes or additions. That alone is not enough for me.

DW has evolved many times with movesets and musou attacks. Id like to see WO4 once both SW/DW has received a complete overhaul.
SW movesets have actually changed a lot since the first game.

Masamune and Oichi have completely different movesets and weapons now. Mitsuhide and Hideyoshi movesets have been more or less revamped since they changed to Normal moveset types. Although Mitsuhide's was further changed to Hyper, most of his SW2 moves are still there.

The rest of the veterans have had various changes to certain attacks. Like Magoichi's received a completely new musou since SW2, Shingen's attacks were given the "Wind-Fire-Forest-Mountain" elements, Yukimura's C3 was revamped...

Everyone received R1+square and R1+triangle in SW2. Some characters did lose their other one since SW3, though, which is a shame.

Then everyone got C5 in SW2XL, which was extended to C5-2 or C5-3 in SW4, depending on their moveset types. Some of the C5 from SW2XL were replaced with entire new C5 attack strings in SW4 as well, actually.

Each character got Spirit charge and Ultimate Musou in SW3. And SW4 added a new musou finisher for every character that triggers when the musou attacks has been looped for a few secs.

And finally, everyone got Hyper attacks in SW4 (12-16 moves), which has changed the combat drastically now, because they're so overpowered... They replaced old C1. Running attacks were also omitted in SW4 because they became obsolete.

So saying there have only been minor changes is kinda incorrect. In my opinion the only time they didn't evolve enough was in SW3, but we're way past that now so it doesn't really matter at this point.
Im sorry but what you have stated is not enough for me. I want DW/SW to have completely NEW movesets and musou attacks, no "upgrade" no "additions" - I want everything NEW before they go on with WO4.
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I hope they ditch all, if not most, of the DW and SW cast and focus on the Orochi lore for WO4, with the inclusion of certain guest characters from other Koei franchises, and non-Koei franchises. Like what happened with Sophitia (Soul Calibur).

But in that case, I hope the more popular / renownded characters get picked. In Soul Caliburs case, Nightmare or Cervantes would've been the better choice IMO.
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Well, that's the thing, though. Sophitia is easily one of the most popular characters in Soul series, at least on the Japanese side, so that's exactly why she got chosen. (Siegfried or Taki would've made me happier, certainly, but what are you going to do?)

Anyway, the Orochi series sells too well for KT to shelf it forever. But it probably goes without saying that we likely won't see anything until at least DW9 has had its time, and perhaps sets the tone for what we can expect from Koei's mainline Musou games for the next few years, as a base. Not unlike how Orochi 1 and 2 were built off of DW5's engine and the third game was largely based off of DW7.
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I think Orochi 3 gave us a pretty definitive ending with everyone returning to their own world and thinking it was all a big dream.

Perhaps that was a bit of closure on Koei's part.
I also feel that way... but I think WO4 isn't completely out of the question.

I'm personally not very interested in this series anymore, I feel WO3U was really the definitive Warriors Orochi game and it gave me everything I wanted (sorry if that sounds weird lol). So I wouldn't be nowhere near interested in WO4 than SW5 or DW9.
Similar feelings here. I got exactly what I wanted with WO3/WO3U in terms of story and gameplay.

I've probably said this before, but the only potential storyline I could imagine, would be if the Mystics were faced with an even larger threat (maybe Hundun?) and they have no other choice but to recruit the DW/SW humans once again by approaching them in their respective timelines (possibly through battle for those who don't retain any memories of the Orochi universe) and maybe even requiring them to resurrect and ally with Orochi to overcome this threat. Basically, a redemption arc for Orochi/Ying Long.

It's pointless and just as cheesy as any of their other "resurrect Orochi" stories we've had so far, but I could see it happening. Like I said, I don't need the series to continue, but wouldn't exactly be shocked if it did :hehe:
Well there are some very good candidates to replace Orochi like Tsukuyomi, Enma, Izanami ( is this correct I'm sorry ), and Shi Huang Di ( although I see him as a kiyomori type ).
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I want only all the things from Warriors Orochi 3 back, plus the Samurai Warriors Chronicles 2nd characters (with their Chronicles movesets), integrate Pirate Warriors into WO4, plus Ryu from Street Fighter.
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I want only all the things from Warriors Orochi 3 back, plus the Samurai Warriors Chronicles 2nd characters (with their Chronicles movesets), integrate Pirate Warriors into WO4, plus Ryu from Street Fighter.
The characters from SWC2 are already in SW4/4-II. Warriors Orochi is a crossover between the main SW and DW games, so by default SW4 characters are gonna be in the next installment.
Pirate Warriors and Ryu most probably can't be in WO4 for obvious reasons.
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Orochi needs his own damn OP horse in WO4. Keiji and Lu Bu are tired of sharing with the whole roster.
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We shouldn't expect WO4 anytime soon because there doesn't seem to be much demand for that.
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I just don't wanna use the Hyper movesets from SW4. Or see the playable Naomasa Ii in WO4
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New Orochi game is "Under consideration" right now
https://twitter.com/koinuma_p/status/627812616333733888

So I think it's going to be announced sooner or later. I think it will be after DW9.
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I hope they ditch all, if not most, of the DW and SW cast and focus on the Orochi lore for WO4, with the inclusion of certain guest characters from other Koei franchises, and non-Koei franchises.
Yes, this. Instead of bloating the franchise, how about Orochi series turn into something somewhat different? Whilst I liked WO3, it felt a bit of a chore to actually complete it. Would be nice if we removed all DW/SW characters and instead include characters that would fit the picture perfectly. e.g Huang Quan, Shi Huangdi, etc

Perhaps a Boomslang too :hiss:
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:51 pm
I hope they ditch all, if not most, of the DW and SW cast and focus on the Orochi lore for WO4, with the inclusion of certain guest characters from other Koei franchises, and non-Koei franchises.
Yes, this. Instead of bloating the franchise, how about Orochi series turn into something somewhat different? Whilst I liked WO3, it felt a bit of a chore to actually complete it. Would be nice if we removed all DW/SW characters and instead include characters that would fit the picture perfectly. e.g Huang Quan, Shi Huangdi, etc

Perhaps a Boomslang too :hiss:
I did make a thread for this in the ideas section for koei games called " Mystic Warriors".

And if WO4 is in progress it may come now dependent upon when DW9 may come out. If DW9 comes first then we'll have to wait for a SW5 and all of their expansions.
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New Orochi game is "Under consideration" right now
https://twitter.com/koinuma_p/status/627812616333733888

So I think it's going to be announced sooner or later. I think it will be after DW9.
That's interesting. Probably won't happen before DW9, though.
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