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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
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Er.... Did anyone really wanted Daisuke? He is pretty much one of the most useless addition possible, even for Sanada game. Adding him would a such major waste of resources that it isn't even funny. He would be worse than Guanspawns.
As for Akihime - she would be nice, but still not necessary. There's nothing wrong with Yukimura joining Toyotomi because that's where his heart lies.
Edited by AntonKutovoi, Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:31 pm.
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Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:12 pm
They wanted to make the cheapest game possible: No mention of HideyoshixChacha to avoid the problem with Nene and later Hideyori.

Chacha was an unfitting add for this game anyway: She should have been saved for SW5 with her sisters with a good story and have been a NPC in this game she is no Sanada.

The complaints of the Japanese gamers are: No Daisuke, no Akihime no Hideyori and Chacha not being Hideyoshi's concubine.

Also her design is meh to me: Historically Chacha was said to have resembled Oichi the most of the Azai sisters. She is also way too small. Chacha is known for being extremly tall for a woman (almost 170 cm tall 20 cm taller than average women back then, 10 cm taller than average men)

I would overlook her design if her role would be closer to history though. Her being Hideyoshi's concubine is a must: she can dislike him all she wants she usually hates him in Taiga doramas as well. Glossing over it is a no go for a Chacha portrayal in my opinion though.
Would Daisuke even work? I know he is Yukimura's Son and all from what i know but how would he work for later games of SW? He wouldnt show up till much later in the main games where he has little to no relevance.


Akihime definitely has more chances being the daughter of Yoshitsugu and Yukimura's Wife, and if i recall one of the main reasons why Yukimura remained with the Toyotomi.



this is my personal take on it. but concubines arent look highly upon in this day and age, especially in the West. So the real problem is most tend to think people should only have 1 Lover/Love interest, thus Kai and Chacha having a major problem. Chacha luckily still hates Hideyoshi so there is some historical accuracy even if not by much.



I personally love her design, but thats just me, though she probably should of been a bit taller. and maybe as you said they should of waited till SW5 to add her, Hatsu, and Oeyo, with a game that can focus on them and not just the Sanada.
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I doubt we'd have ever gotten all 3 azai sisters at the same time, that'd be too many new oda/azai characters to get all at once. But i could see us getting 2 in sw5 or one ine in sw5 and one in an expansion.

As for chacha being a concubine, i don't get why they don't just say Nene can't have children(as hideyoshi historically thought she couldn't), and then have chacha volunteer as the surrogate mother to which hideyoshi agrees because she is of nobunaga's bloodline legitimizing his heir.

That way we essentially get chacha as a concubine but with none of the negative baggage.
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I'm disappointed that they're not getting their SW2 and SW3 outifit for SW4 DLC.
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Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:50 am
I'm disappointed that they're not getting their SW2 and SW3 outifit for SW4 DLC.
The SW4 games are kind of weird about the retro DLC costumes. In the original SW4 only the characters who had been around since SW1 got retro costumes, and those were the only retro costumes around, iirc.

And as I've heard, DLC costumes you purchased in older SW4 games won't transfer to Spirit of Sanada. Makes me regret bothering to buy the SW1 outfits in SW4, along with a few of the robes from SW4:E.
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They wanted to make the cheapest game possible: No mention of HideyoshixChacha to avoid the problem with Nene and later Hideyori.

Chacha was an unfitting add for this game anyway: She should have been saved for SW5 with her sisters with a good story and have been a NPC in this game she is no Sanada.

The complaints of the Japanese gamers are: No Daisuke, no Akihime no Hideyori and Chacha not being Hideyoshi's concubine.

Also her design is meh to me: Historically Chacha was said to have resembled Oichi the most of the Azai sisters. She is also way too small. Chacha is known for being extremly tall for a woman (almost 170 cm tall 20 cm taller than average women back then, 10 cm taller than average men)

I would overlook her design if her role would be closer to history though. Her being Hideyoshi's concubine is a must: she can dislike him all she wants she usually hates him in Taiga doramas as well. Glossing over it is a no go for a Chacha portrayal in my opinion though.
I love all your posts. I always learn something new every time you share things like this. I'm kind of surprised Japanese people care about Daisuke. Is he significant in the drama or known for something I'm unaware of?
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I kinda doubt Daisuke really had much importance in History. While he is Yukimura's Eldest Son, the only real battle I think he was part of was during his dad's battle during Osaka. Really he has as much importance as Hideyori does in that regard.


While i can see why the japanese fans would be upset about no Akihime, given she is Yukimura's Wife and a major character in the taiga Drama and hell a character a lot of people been requesting for (even tho i doubt as much as Sasuke). She is also partially the reason why Yukimura stays with the Toyotomi based on what i have read. and really with Yoshitsugu in the Series they really should of included her.


While Hideyori is a popular fan demand, i really have no clue how they would make him more significant then per say Goemon and Okuni who have like no major role (Okuni even more so given she never had anything to do with the unification process). But in comparison Daisuke is even less Important then Hideyori, Hideyori is at least Hideyoshi's Son, the person Chacha is pretty famous for being his Mother and all. Hideyori also even appearing as a character in the anime.


Daisuke really has nothing going for him to give Koei a reason to add him. Out of all the Possible children characters in the sengoku era. Yukimura's and even Nobuyuki's (i cant remember if they were ever named) are the least likely to be included in Samurai Warriors.


Chacha being a concubine is also very unlikely given how in this day and age, concubines are negatively look upon by the West. So i do think if we would want Chacha to have her concubine status. Just do something fictional and say Hideyori is Nene's kid then have Chacha be the surrogate Mother or something.


Really Daisuke out of all the Japanese gamers complaints is the least likely to ever happen. at least in my opinion, i just really dont see why Daisuke would be such a big deal to warrant complaints to begin with, When Matabei Goto, Akihime, Hatsu, Oeyo have alot more importance and more likelihood for being made into playable characters
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Regarding Daisuke I think that he has the same problem as Hideyori. In Nobunaga's Ambition they totally work however in SW it would be more difficult to implement them. I guess at most they could show Daisuke as a baby, then growing up in Kudoyama (being trained by Yukimura) and sticking with Yodo and Hideyori during the final part of the Siege since he died with them.

Akihime however could be used to represent Yukimura's Kudoyama family all by herself quite well. She would have the Western Army ties and could even play a part during the final part of the Siege since Yukimura sent her away once it became too dangerous and two weeks after Yukimura and Daisuke died she and daughter Aguri where found by Asano Nagaakira and brought to the Tokugawa. Ieyasu allowed her to live and she became a nun.
Most of her children where adopted by Date aligned clans (Katakura and Tamura clan) thus she could have ties to the Date.

I guess in SW Yukimura would dispatch her before he dies since she historically survived.

I would go so far to say that without this girl Yukimura's life could have turned out totally different:
The Sanada family would have never broken into two if Yukimura would have married an Eastern aligned woman like his brother or a neutral woman or a Western aligned woman who wasn't unlucky enough to have such close connections to Mitsunari. Hidetsugu's daughter for example didn't give such problems since Hidetsugu despite being a Toyotomi wasn't crucial.
Since Yukimura was just a second son perhaps we might have never heard about him if he wouldn't have accepted Akihime in his household.

And it's not like he could have gotten rid of Akihime after Sekigahara if he would have really wanted to get away from the Toyotomi: he was in his 30s and still didn't have a son. And of all his wives the one who turned out to give birth to his heir (Daisuke) and later spare (Daihachi) was her. He even degraded or divorced his original legal wife (Hotta's sister) so that he could declare Akihime his de facto main wife.

In Sanada Taiheiki by the way Akihime dies shortly after Yukimura and Daisuke despite historically surviving since she doesn't get over their deaths. Thus in a fictional way she could even be killed off in SW along with Yukimura.

She got a portrait in Toukiden as well as Samurai Cats and Yukimura's ties to the Otanis is mentined in Ni-oh thus perhaps Koei is planning to make her more familiar?

Anyway last year she had been portrayed as Yukimura's assistant far more often than Daisuke actually:

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her and Yukimura as dolls. The bamboo behind her is a pun on her alternative names Chikurinin, Chikuhime and Takehime

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her, Yukimura and Masayuki as crysanthemum dolls (they labeled her Haru which is her name in the Sanadamaru Taiga)

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In a Takarazuka Yukimura production from last year Yukimura is assisted by ninja and Oriyo/Rise which is another alternative name for Akihime.

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Funnily there was even a Sanada exhibition that showed sleeves which apparently belonged to clothes of Akihime.





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This fan is said to have been Chacha's. It's always fascinating to see this stuff. I would love if Koei would implement stuff like this in alternative costumes.
Edited by Maya, Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:51 pm.
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Well... Kunoichi is actually Akihime right? :doge:

Aki and Kuno would always clash and take away from each other if they were seperate characters, they kinda fill the same niche. I think fusing them in one character would be the better route for KOEI to take. Not only does it give Kunoichi actual relevance to the story and more characters to interact with other than Yukimura-sama, but it also makes her a historical character rather than being completely fictional.

It ain't hard writing a story for that character either. When Azai turned against Oda they allied with the Takeda. Then, Yoshitsugu had to give his daughter Aki/Kuno as hostage to Takeda to cement the alliance. There, she learned Ninjitsu from Chiyome Mochizuki and served the Takeda all the way to Nagashino, after which she joined the Sanada Ninja Corpstm.
And then later Yukimura being all noble and benevolence and what not, sides with Yoshitsugu during Sekigahara so his subordinate doesn't cry if her daddy dies. Cue cheesy romantic subplot and you have gold.

Daisuke should not be a thing. The only thing he has going for him is that he's Yukimura's son. He dies in his first battle and chronologically he can't even be put in any other battle. I'd say it's only worth if the entire Osaka campaign is five stages long at least. And even then only if every other Osaka defender, including Hideyori, is in before him.
Edited by Gir, Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:46 pm.
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Kunoichi now simply a Takeda vassal, who later joined Sanada. She doesn't have any feelings for Yukimura in Sanadamaru, IIRC. She is simply a loyal servant in this game.
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Kunoichi now simply a Takeda vassal, who later joined Sanada. She doesn't have any feelings for Yukimura in Sanadamaru, IIRC. She is simply a loyal servant in this game.
And this is why Chiyome Mochizuki would be an even more irrelevant addition to the roster.
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who is kunoichi real name? She doesn't real historical figure. If i could kunoichi love is interesting for sasuke?
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who is kunoichi real name? She doesn't real historical figure. If i could kunoichi love is interesting for sasuke?
Kunoichi has no real name. As She is not a real Life Historical Figure. Thus Why Her name is just really Kunoichi. She originally was suposed to represent Yukimura's 10 Ninjas, the Sanada Brave and the female Ninjas, the Kunoichi.


Kunoichi is pretty much a fictional character just as much as Kai and Kojiro are. Given how Kojiro was a character, Musashi created in his writings from what i know.


But with Sasuke added. She now doesnt represent the Sanada Brave anymore by herself. Same can be said back in SW2 with Nene. Since Again Kunoichi is not the only Kunoichi anymore.


and as some have pointed out she is definitely no longer can be Akihime, given the fact in Sanadamaru she was a Takeda Ninja who just later joins the Sanada. She is even seen when Yukimura is a Kid. So She is definitely older then him, technically. despite not having a older model.



as for Sasuke or Kunoichi having any love dont think there is any signs of that. seems to be your typical relationship of Senior Ninja and Junior Ninja, given how Sasuke calls Kunoichi senpai and all that.


tho i do think we could get Akihime and Chiyome Mochizuki possibly in SW5.
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Kunoichi not even having a name is always funny to me. Like they decided just to call her 'ninja girl'.

I don't have strong opinions about her either way. The poncho is cute. Wish she could keep it in the next installation
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Kunoichi now simply a Takeda vassal, who later joined Sanada. She doesn't have any feelings for Yukimura in Sanadamaru, IIRC. She is simply a loyal servant in this game.
I wonder if they did that just so her crush on Yukimura doesn't fall into uncomfortable territories.

Anyway, my attempts to do online research on Akihime is coming up surprisingly dry outside of the knowledge that she was Yukimura's legal wife and the mother of his heir as well as the mother of a second son. So if I can ask, in what year did she formally marry Yukimura? I would assume she could be reasonably be made a part of any battle Yukimura is involved in that occurs after their marriage.
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It is not 100% clear when they married however it is agreed that it was shortly before Sekigahara. There are just theories that it was between 1594 and 1597. Her age is unclear the age difference between her and Yukimura might have been between 12 and 20 years. Most think that Akihime was around 14 when she married him however she might have also been much younger.
Her first status as a wife is unclear as well since Yukimura's legal wife at this point was still Hotta Sakubei's sister. Akihime was probably a keishitsu (second legal wife) or a concubine at first. Akihime was granted the title of legal wife mostly due to Daisuke.

Her relation to Yoshitsugu is also theorized: father and daughter or brother and sister. There are also theories that Akihime was the daughter of Yoshitsugu's younger sister and a man called Azai Kuranosuke.

Yoshitsugu does have an obscure family: it's unclear who he was married to and whether his children are his children or related to him otherwise.
However Akihime is his most well known relative.
The only clear relation Yoshitsugu has is that his mother was called Higashi-dono. Higashi was a servant of Nene.

Ina also wasn't Nobuyuki's first wife: Nobuyuki was married to his cousin Sanada Nobutsuna's daughter at first who was then devorced or degraded.
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It is not 100% clear when they married however it is agreed that it was shortly before Sekigahara. There are just theories that it was between 1594 and 1597. Her age is unclear the age difference between her and Yukimura might have been between 12 and 20 years. Most think that Akihime was around 14 when she married him however she might have also been much younger.
Her first status as a wife is unclear as well since Yukimura's legal wife at this point was still Hotta Sakubei's sister. Akihime was probably a keishitsu (second legal wife) or a concubine at first. Akihime was granted the title of legal wife mostly due to Daisuke.

Her relation to Yoshitsugu is also theorized: father and daughter or brother and sister. There are also theories that Akihime was the daughter of Yoshitsugu's younger sister and a man called Azai Kuranosuke.

Yoshitsugu does have an obscure family: it's unclear who he was married to and whether his children are his children or related to him otherwise.
However Akihime is his most well known relative.
The only clear relation Yoshitsugu has is that his mother was called Higashi-dono. Higashi was a servant of Nene.

Ina also wasn't Nobuyuki's first wife: Nobuyuki was married to his cousin Sanada Nobutsuna's daughter at first who was then devorced or degraded.
I see, thank you.

Akihime may have been a more sensible choice then Chacha (the latter just feels like such an odd choice for a game that focuses on the Sanada), but it looks like Akihime may not be involved in too many battles. 2nd Battle of Ueda Castle and all battles Yukimura was involved in past that, I think.

Unless they cheat a little and make her show up much earlier then is historically accurate. Much like Yukimura being around at Kawanakajima and Nagashino.
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I wonder if they did that just so her crush on Yukimura doesn't fall into uncomfortable territories.
the entire game is super platonic, they even sterilized Chacha, thus erasing Hideyori from existence, no budding romance in this one.
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Personally while i admit Chacha is a weird choice for a Sanada Game, but i can also argue the same about Hidetada since the Tokugawa arent really a main focus compared to the other games. but at the same time i do think it was nice of them to add Chacha, she is one of the most important females of her era based on what i know.


Some things i read even say she was the puppet master of Osaka and used Hideyori as a figurehead for the Toyotomi. but at the same time she has alot more importance then Hideyori, so i dont really have a major issue with Hideyori being non existent. Sure i would of like if he was in the game as a NPC or Playable but he really is not very important other then being one of the reasons Chacha is famous for.



and the whole concubine thing wouldn't happen anyway given how negative its viewed by the western audiences. Though based on what i can tell she does show some hatred for Hideyoshi. Chacha would profit more from being Playable more so then Hideyori, at least in my opinion. and she does open possibility of Hatsu and Oeyo being added in the future
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and the whole concubine thing wouldn't happen anyway given how negative its viewed by the western audiences.
You keep typing this out, but it's been shown that what the Western fanbase thinks has no bearing on what Omega Force does with its games.
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and the whole concubine thing wouldn't happen anyway given how negative its viewed by the western audiences.
You keep typing this out, but it's been shown that what the Western fanbase thinks has no bearing on what Omega Force does with its games.
Apologies wasnt trying to keep typing it out, sometimes forget what i type in my other posts. and not really always 100% sure what the western fanbase thinks that has no bearing on what omega force does for thier games.
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I am curious whether anyone is familiar with the version 1.04 update?

"変更内容
城下町で、キャラクターが会話できない位置に移動してしまう不具合を修正
お役目「三成護衛任務」で、特定のキャラクターが移動しなくなる不具合を修正
一部の装飾品において、最高レベルの装飾品が取得できない不具合を修正
一部のイベントにおける、表示不具合を修正
一部のレイアウト情報を修正
一部のメッセージ表記を修正"

http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/sanadamaru/update.html
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Changes
Fixed a problem in the castle town where the character moves to a position where the character can not talk
Fixed a bug that a specific character would not move in role "Mitsunari escort mission"
Fixed a bug that the highest level decorations could not be acquired for some accessories
Correct display defect in some events
Fix some layout information
Fixed some message notation

that's what it says....
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Can anyone tell me how many stages are in this game maybe?
it's just that I brought SW4 - II and was kinda upset that it had a few missing stages that were in SW4 that wasn't in 4-II
and at this point I've brought about 4 games of the SW4 style saga of games

thx
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Can anyone tell me how many stages are in this game maybe?
it's just that I brought SW4 - II and was kinda upset that it had a few missing stages that were in SW4 that wasn't in 4-II
and at this point I've brought about 4 games of the SW4 style saga of games

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A lot. I'm not sure anyone did the counting.
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