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| Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada | |
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| 4nowlaters | Mon Aug 7, 2017 6:34 am Post #2876 |
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I've enjoyed/enjoying this game quite a bit. I wasn't going to buy it at first, but my lil brother kept singing praises about it. I hope they focus on more of the lessor known clans, and for lady muraname to be playable (might as ****ing well, with all the other fictional characters). It seemed lazy for two generic weapons to be used by 2 new playable characters. I'm low key excited for the samurai warriors game, even though I know that's in the next 2-3 years. |
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| Maya | Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:36 pm Post #2877 |
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These recent Sanada designs are very good I really like them. Masayuki's brother Masateru ![]() Nobuyuki ![]() Ina (this design is really pretty) ![]() Genjiro (Nobushige/Yukimura) ![]() Kei (Chikurinin/Oriyo/Akihime) ... lol I guess they have chosen this name for her now since they also used it in empires and in a Pokémon game. Well nice to see that she has a portrait now since she didn't get one in Ascension. ![]() Daisuke Ascension portrait ![]() Matsu/Muramatsu Ascension portrait ![]() In Sanada Taiheiki there was much focus on Yukimura's younger halfsister Kiku played by a very popular idol back than. I would have liked a portrait for this sister as well however I doubt that Koei will ever include her in any game since the actress committed suicide with 18 years which is probably why the younger sister hardly appears in media about Yukimura anymore. |
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| LordTerrantos | Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:44 am Post #2878 |
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it is definitely a very fun and i enjoyed it myself. i just kinda hope some of the lesser clans get more focus as i think the toyotomi, oda, tokugawa, and Sanada get enough focus as it is. Like a game focused on Kyushu or Chugoku would work for me. that said i do agree Muramatsu needs to be playable in the next SW game and Hidetada and Katsuyori need thier Generic weapons replaced by the time SW5 happens. even if that wont be in like 2 - 3 years right now |
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| Zai Tong | Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:18 am Post #2879 |
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Anyone else think Sanada Maru is actually better and far more enjoyable then sw4 ? Also hidetada design stands out he doesn't look generic at all but he is still a JA though Edited by Zai Tong, Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:20 am.
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| Myst | Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:51 pm Post #2880 |
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Spirit of Sanada has better storytelling than SW4, probably because its easier to focus on one clan. This game has significant character development for Sanada characters and several non-Sanada as well, such as Kai, Kagekatsu, Kiyomasa, Masanori, Mitsunari, Hideyoshi, Nene, Ina, Hanzo, Ieyasu. Everyone actually gets a little extra spotlight, so this game is good for any fan of any SW character. Ive even changed my opinion on Hideyoshi and now I like him better. One good moment was when he took in the Sanada, who had gone through so much, and told Yukimura its okay to not be so formal. From then on, the Toyotomi felt like family. I even shed a few tear during The Epilogue. The OST is really good. There is a really good new battle theme. Side note, its funny when Yukimura gets facial hair, it reminded me of FFXV Noctis getting facial hair. Both happened at about the same Chapter in their respective games too lol. KT likes FF huh. |
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| Lion of Sagami | Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:32 pm Post #2881 |
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It would be nice if I cared about any of the characters you mentioned. (Except Kai and Yukimura.) Hideyoshi still destroyed two of the best families in the game. The Hojo clan and Azai. Hideyoshi only respects Yukimura because he needs it. He is not family with Kai, Hayakawa and Fuuma exactly because they are useless to him. Even when they are forced to join him And Hideyoshi only cares about Chacha for something else that Koei wants to pretend did not happen. And the toyotomi clan are such a close family that when Hideyoshi died, they betrayed each other. Sorry if I look rude. Edited by Lion of Sagami, Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:33 pm.
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| Myst | Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:45 am Post #2882 |
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| Lion of Sagami | Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:10 am Post #2883 |
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I did not play SoS, but I played all SW, except the first. Yes, he had a lot of compassion when he killed the peasants, who were trying to help the Hojo clan, using catapults. These same catapults could have kill Yukimura and his allies that he so "respects." And he had the courage to criticize Nobunaga when he burned a castle full of peasants. I hate hypocrites. Or did they change the way he acts in the Siege of Odawara?
A clan that destroyed her family and reduced her to a concubine. She does not judge what she was in the Hojo clan. At best, she thinks Yukimura is cute and likes Kunoichi. And she took too seriously a silly advice to never hold back that Hayakawa gave her in a training section. Those are the great motivations of Kai for figth by Toyotomi? And I do not see anyone respecting Kai / Hayakawa / Fuuma as warriors in all the game out of Hojo clan. Only in the Osaka Campaign. They are treated like the rest of trash left over from the Hojo clan.
Where did I confuse history with the KT version? Are you referring to Hideyoshi caring for Chacha and Kai only as a concubine? Well, he's a womanizer. Do you think he wanted Kai and Hayakawa to go to Osaka for that? To see him dance? In fact, Koei worries so much that they omitted Hideyori just to pretend Hideyoshi did nothing with Chacha. In addition, Chacha is also dedicating herself to the Sanada club and fighting for a clan that has destroyed her family and which she herself has no right to lead. (She has no blood relation to anyone from Toyotomi and they ignore Hideyori.) And yes, maybe I should play with an open mind. And by the way, so I always prefer more SW empires. Where the Hojo clan, Azai and Mori receive the treatment that they merit. To summarize: The Hojo clan are one of the most overlooked in the history of Samurai Warriors. And then we have the Date clan, but the Hojo clan has one of the best designer and original characters. They are not conquerors thirsty for ambitions, but I wish it were because that's what the other clans deserve. Okay, I'm going to stop being off topic and get back to SoS. The funny thing is that I like Yukimura, Kunoichi, Nobuyuki and Ina ... But now they feel overrated. I prefer to wait for discount or the price to go down. But SW 4 Empire will always be superior to me. Edited by Lion of Sagami, Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:27 am.
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| Myst | Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:59 am Post #2884 |
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Based on all the sarcasm, youve made up your mind I still recommend this game to anyone on here ^^ |
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| Lion of Sagami | Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:47 am Post #2885 |
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I did not want to sound rude and I just wanted a healthy conversation. There is no need to be condescending because I have not been sarcastic. Kai, Hayakawa and Fuuma have lost any progress they made to the Hojo clan and receive no recognition for what they do for the Toyotomi clan. Even Masamune and Yoshihiro receive praise from Hideyoshi even though they have joined too late. And then they have that is in the Osaka Campaign for what? Why were they forced to fight a single battle (Battle of Ueda)? Why did they make friends in both clans? At least the precious Yukimura has shown he really believes in Hideyoshi, helped in the conquest of Odawara, fought in the battle of Ueda, made friends in the Toyotomi clan and led the Osaka Campaign. I'm surprised that Koei made Hayakawa, Kai and Fumma survive, but killed Yukimura. Yes, it is "historical accuracy," but I would not be surprised if Yukimura killed Ieyasu, took Japan, lived in Osaka for the rest of his life with Kunoichi, Kai, Ina, Chacha and Hayakawa as "wifes". (But much better than living with the monkey, for sure.) By the way, remember what happened when Nobunaga forgot to praise Mitsuhide? Certainly Kai of Hojo clan would do the same with Hideyoshi. Please, at least you could tell if you agree with some of my points. And I hear say despite calling it "Spirit of Sanada", they have not developed Nobuyuki very well. Edited by Lion of Sagami, Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:50 am.
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| Fūma | Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:14 am Post #2886 |
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Well, at least Kotaro surviving makes sense because he's immortal in the games. He's actually not even human, but rather a demi-god of sort. He can teleport at will and do crazy stuff like foresee the future (as seen in his 2nd stage in SW2) or transform into another person (Magoichi's Escape from Honnouji stage in SW2). As for Kai and Hayakawa, I wouldn't mind seeing Kai dying at the end of Osaka Campaign. Would be more dramatic for Hayakawa who's on the winning side. |
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| Maya | Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:36 pm Post #2887 |
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I thought that Chacha was a problem as well: Her reason for being tied to Osaka is Hideyoshi centered otherwise she doesn't have any business at Osaka. The Sanada Clan has absolutely nothing to do with her decision to be on the Toyotomi side but that she gave birth to Hideyoshi's two children. There is no problem with leaving out Tsurumatsu however Hideyori is a different story. |
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| Lion of Sagami | Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:31 pm Post #2888 |
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From what I remember, Kunoichi could also turn into someone else. She turned Hideyori into SW 4, at least. And it would have been well done to Kai, because she had delineated herself as a strong warrior, but she had no real ambition or honor. The problem is that Koei is so afraid of admitting the existence of concubine, that they can not do even a single cutscene or a dialogue where Hideyoshi shows respect for her. Being friends with Yukimura and Kunoichi is not good enough excuse to participate in a rebellion that could mean the execution of her. In the same way, Hayakawa could simply join the Toyotomi clan because she has nothing to gain from the Tokugawa. At least she would have the chance to die with Kai as a family. Kanetsugu, Takatora, Kagekatsu and Masamune can return home with their great territories and a comfortable life. And it's shocking that Naotora was not put on the Osaka campaign, given the she attetion gets. Really the scene with Ieyasu sharing stomach problems?
Well, that's because they're afraid to imply that Chacha was Hideyoshi's concubine. But does not that mean she was a concubine in previous versions? In SW 2 there is a scene where Hideyoshi seems very excited to see Chacha (even though she was not even introduced as generic at that time). In addition, he actually tried to chase Oichi, Chacha's mother in SW. I do not care about the thing with concubine, only that Kai and Hayakawa are treated as "part of family" like the others. I just want someone who really believes in Hideyoshi in the Osaka Campaign, Even Yukimura seems to just look for an excuse to die as a warrior. In addition, it is ooc for Kai to be forced to be a monkey's concubine, be separated from someone who considers family and then fight against her. I do not know why everyone ignores the concubine thing, which historically happened, but then says it's okay for her to join the Toyotomi clan, because she "historically" did it. Kai maybe never existed. She could also have died in Odawara. And I still wonder why Yukimura did not die in the battle of Nagashino, if he cares so much about dying with a warrior. This may be valid for everyone: They surrender to a larger clan and suddenly everyone is interested in a final battle. |
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| AntonKutovoi | Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:01 pm Post #2889 |
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Kai in Osaka because she is friends with Chacha. I honestly don't know why are you still trying to ignore it and continue to say that she doesn't belong in Osaka. She doesn't fight for Toyotomi, she fights for Chacha. And Yukimura doesn't seek glorious death - he tries to save his friends. I know that you didn't play the game, but in that case maybe you should complain in SW4 or SW4-II thread, rather than in the thread of the game you know nothing about?
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| Lion of Sagami | Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:31 pm Post #2890 |
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Chacha is fighting for Toyotomi, by extension Kai is fighting for a clan that destroyed her family. But that's not my point. I'm saying she has no really valid reasons for being in Osaka. "Friendship" is worth less than the time she was a family with Hayakawa. Kanetsugu's friendship with Yukimura did not prevent one from fighting the other. Everyone is quick to say that Yukimura is an idiot for not listening to Nobuyuki in surrender, but everyone accepts the idea of Kai leaving the past with Hayakawa aside. Maybe you could tell me something else good reason for Kai is in Osaka. Otherwise, Kai is a poorly developed character. Is it hard to admit that SoS is not perfect? Edited by Lion of Sagami, Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:35 pm.
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| LordTerrantos | Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:52 pm Post #2891 |
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Spirit of Sanada definitely isn't perfect but nothing is in SW or DW. there will always be certain characters underdeveloped. Kai unfortunately happens to be one of them. I think them trying to have Kai become Loyal to the Toyotomi via Chacha was a bit better then the other games, as by extension Chacha also became like Kai's New Lord or something if we want to be technical. like in previous games Kai just joined the Toyotomi for no particular reason other then historical reasons. but to me and this is my opinion, is SoS tried to at least give Kai a reason why she sides with Toyotomi. is it perfect? No. I think Kai needs more solid ground to side with the Toyotomi. like friendships with Matabei Goto, Yukimura (that arent forced), Morichika Chosokabe, Mitsunari Ishida (after the odawara thing and before sekigahara), and so on. probably could help her have more motives for being on thier side. even giving her a reason to be Loyal to Hideyoshi would help. but as i said for now her friendship/loyalty to Chacha works until the next game. which her reasons may change. I think the major problem is the more characters added the more focus from old/veteran characters lessens. which unfortunately unless they go back to the whole "every character has thier own story" like SW1 and SW2 had. i cant see everyone getting thier own focus. |
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| Zai Tong | Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:09 pm Post #2892 |
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Lion of saga I you are missing out on a wonderfully challenging experience not playing Sw1 judge me but I still think it's the best SW of all time better story better combat better atmosphere generic officers look like samurai and have good designs same goes for the peons Ai actually fight and come at you rifle men and the. ninjas were annoying in that game but deadly And the English VA far better then sw2 Edited by Zai Tong, Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:10 pm.
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| Kuroda Kanbei | Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:22 pm Post #2893 |
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I actually think the Hojo have gotten a pretty good ride so far. They only became a real clan at the same time as the Mori but unlike the Mori the Hojo have always been given their due. Ujiyasu and Kai joined sole rep Fuuma in 3 which turned the Hojo into a real clan, proceeded to be fairly prominent in Warriors Orochi with Kai arguably being the main Samurai character after Hanbei and their clan got expanded even more in 4. After they became a prominent factor they have been consistently treated better then the Takeda and Uesugi. 4 full fledged characters and a promoted NPC in Kagetora seems like a great deal when you consider other major clans like the Date, Mori and Shimazu still have two characters as well as the generally sorry state the Takeda are in. |
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| LordTerrantos | Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:38 pm Post #2894 |
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Yeah honestly look at the CLans Numbers. the Hojo easily have better treatment. they only had Kotaro back in SW2, SW3 added Ujiyasu and Kai. and now SW4 gave us Hayakawa and even a prominent Unique NPC Kagetora/Saburo who most likely will be promoted to playable in the future. so they have better treatment. going by number size of each Clan. Hojo - 4 Date - 2 Shimazu - 2 Tachibana - 2 Uesugi - 4 (and they still dont get much focus compared to Hojo) Takeda - 2 (3 if you count Masayuki who is a real Takeda character, but still dont get much attention) Mori - 2 Chosokabe - 2 (3 if u want to count Gracia) Wanderers - 4 (pretty much Musashi, Goemon, Okuni, and Kojiro who are ignored) Azai - 3 (i don't count Yoshitsugu since he isnt a real Azai character) Imagawa - 1 Oda - 9 (if you exclude the Toyotomi) Sanada - 5 (6 if you count Muramatsu) Toyotomi - 10 (if you exclude the clans who join them and the tokugawa) Tokugawa - 9 (if the ones who join them at Sekigahara/Osaka arent counted) I know this little list may annoy some people and apologize in advance. but thought it be helpful in a way. but regardless i think with all things considered. the Hojo really aren't very overlooked when they have gotten more characters added in 3 games (SW2 - 4) then most of the clans who been in the series since SW1. such as the Date and Imagawa. the Tachibana were one of the few unfortunate enough not to get a new character in SW4 unlike most of the other clans did. Like the Date got Kojuro, Hojo Hayakawa, Mori got Takakage, Oda got Hisahide, the Tokugawa got the most adds in the form of Naotora, Takatora, Munenori, Naomasa, and Hidetada with only 3 of them formerly being Hand-held exclusives till SW4. i kinda feel the Tachibana are more overlooked alongside the Takeda, Mori, Shimazu, Chosokabe, and the Date. |
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| Kuroda Kanbei | Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:45 pm Post #2895 |
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I think the Tachibana have two main problems. One is that Kyushu isn't represented very well as a whole so a lot of possible adds like the parents of the two currently in will be somewhat wasted. At least Takeda adds could fight a variety of different clans despite their short lifespan. They also just aren't that prominent to begin with. They are the Sanada to the Otomo's Takeda except in this case they just cut out the Otomo. |
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| LordTerrantos | Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:57 pm Post #2896 |
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Yeah its unfortunate but i really think Kyushu needs a bit more recognition. On both the Shimazu, Tachibana, and maybe even the Ryuzoji and Otomo. but its unlikely to happen unless they go back to some older battles before Ginchiyo/Muneshige are introduced. Takeda however as u said are more likely to get new Adds given despite thier short-life span did have plenty of battles to work with. so we could get Nobufusa Baba or Chiyome (if they decide to make Kunoichi and her student and teacher and not the same person) yeah and without the Otomo they pretty much wont live up to thier full potential. but regardless i do think the Hojo get far better treatment compared to other clans |
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| Kuroda Kanbei | Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:05 pm Post #2897 |
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No its just the Mori and Date that need some heavy focus shifted their way. Even if they were to ignore all the pre Nobunaga things the Mori did then they still have to work with seeing as they were both enemies and close allies to Hideoyshi. And Koei sure seems to like Hideyoshi. They also really need a chugoku campaign were Hideyoshi and his strategist due aren't constantly defeated by Motonari. They aren't chumps. |
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| Myst | Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:29 pm Post #2898 |
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Why would Hayakawa and Kotaro be praise for the Toyotomi? Hayakawa goes to Tokugawa and Kotaro lives to spread chaos. Also please do not make up false information. Kai had positive banter with several characters and was praised throughout the story, to the very end even. |
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| Lion of Sagami | Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:19 pm Post #2899 |
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Thanks, these are one of the best posts I've ever seen. I just wanted to vent a flaw that bothers me. I do not know why some people here do not like constructive comments. Now I realize that the Tachibana, Date, and Shimazu are also neglected.
Thanks, maybe I'll try someday. And probably the story is good because it does not have forty characters.
Sorry, I just made a mistake. When Hideyoshi unified the country, Hayakawa was temporarily his officer. But in the next battle, she went to the side of Tokugawa. Just an error. So why is Kotaro fighting in the Osaka campaign on the Toyotomi side? In SW 3, it was because he wanted to help Kai because of their past in the Hojo clan. Also, if he wanted to spread the chaos because he did not attack both sides? He even spared Hayakawa because of the past with the Hojo clan. From who did Kai receive praise? Hayakawa, Ujiyasu, Yukimura and Chacha? I'm just referring to Ieyasu and Hideyoshi. Ieyasu can take his free time to praise how Naomasa was a good son to Naotora, gives remedy to Naotora's stomach and say that he cares for his subordinates. But he said he was going to kill his own daughter, Toku, because she was married to one of the Hojo. He acted with brutal indifference when Hayakawa wept over Ujiyasu's body. He only thought of bringing Kai and Hayakawa as if they were a war spoil or something like that to Osaka. (But when Kagekasu and Kanetsugu were defeated, they stayed in a comfortable room drinking sake.) For some reason, he worries if Nobuyuki hates him for having to kill Yukimura. But kill Ujiyasu, his sons and betray the clan Imagawa? No problem, Hayakawa does not need any attention. I think the scene was purposely rushed because Koei wanted to make Ieyasu look like a tyrant. And Hayakawa is not popular like Nobuyuki (who only received attention by being brother of Yukimura). But it is revealing the fact that Ieyasu just wants to please subordinates that can be a threat to him if they cheat. Nobuyuki and Naotora have far more influence than Hayakawa.
True, but I still feel that the Hojo clan is just another clan to be put down. I hope the female NPC in SW 4 Empire means we'll be seeing Toku. Historically, she was spared by Ieyasu along with her husband, Hojo Ujinao. So Hayakawa would see that he "is not so cruel." Edited by Lion of Sagami, Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:31 pm.
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| Kuroda Kanbei | Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:28 am Post #2900 |
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So how would the story hold up if you're of the mindset that the Sanada characters just aren't strong enough to carry a story. Do the Sanada significantly improve themselves? does the good story carry the weak clan well enough or do they fall flat in this regard? |
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