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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
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Yeah to be honest the story usually revolves around Four Factions: the Oda, Toyotomi, Tokugawa, and the Sanada. rarely any of the other factions get as much depth as those four.


and honestly i don't think the Hojo during the Sengoku Era was as powerful as it was back during the Heian Period which we would need a totally separate Game for.


and honestly the story has never been something Omega force has ever had a strong suit for so the characters being too complex isnt very likely in my opinion. Yukimura hasnt really changed since well SW1 only spirit of sanada has given us a chance to see him develop a personality.


and as much as I like the Hojo or Tachibana. thier unlikely to get as much depth as some of the other clans do. though Hojo does get better treatment then the Takeda or Mori
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adult yukimura just wow that design is amazing and his moveset is beast
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https://twitter.com/omega_force_kt/status/900967279499792386

KoeiTecmo have announced that DW8E, SW:Spirit of Sanada, and WO3U will be getting ports to the Nintendo Switch
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About the spawning of those secret treasure bearers in explorations, do they just randomly spawn or do we have to complete some of the goals first?

I played the Lake Suwa exploration so many times that i finished the goals of that stage and unlocked the boss. Didn't see a single secret treasure bearer during that time.


Edit: Nvm. Managed to get all of them now. It's just random with a low rate.
Edited by frozentuna, Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:12 am.
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Is there any other point to the Epilogue? Did I miss something? I don't get how you can suddenly give gifts to people when you have no more items left and can only use whatever you find lying around town, but it's not enough to actually fill a meter for every character available. Then what's the point of it if it just ends after Hidetada and Noboyuki's 'falling out'? It actually kind of ruined the ending for me by feeling like some half @ssed, rush job attempt to add something extra.
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Is there any other point to the Epilogue? Did I miss something? I don't get how you can suddenly give gifts to people when you have no more items left and can only use whatever you find lying around town, but it's not enough to actually fill a meter for every character available. Then what's the point of it if it just ends after Hidetada and Noboyuki's 'falling out'? It actually kind of ruined the ending for me by feeling like some half @ssed, rush job attempt to add something extra.
You can continue with your game save. It will have all your progress, items, characters, etc. Epilogue is there just to close the story.
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and honestly i don't think the Hojo during the Sengoku Era was as powerful as it was back during the Heian Period which we would need a totally separate Game for.


They weren't even the same clan. Hojo Soun wasn't a Hojo by birth. He changed his name because he thought the Heian Hojo were cool and felt like their name enhanced his prestige or something. His original surname was Ise.
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and honestly i don't think the Hojo during the Sengoku Era was as powerful as it was back during the Heian Period which we would need a totally separate Game for.


They weren't even the same clan. Hojo Soun wasn't a Hojo by birth. He changed his name because he thought the Heian Hojo were cool and felt like their name enhanced his prestige or something. His original surname was Ise.



But why Soun could not have been a distant relative of the ancient Hojo?

In fact, this seems to be very common. Even the Sanada clan declared themselves descended from the Minamoto clan even without concrete evidence.

I wonder if this is mentioned in Spirit of Sanada. If not, then they probably will not mention the supposed ancestry.

I mean, Hayakawa and Ujiyasu do not even look like someone who cares about something like that. In fact, I'm fine with Hayakawa and Kai having more participation with Yukimura and Nobuyuki.


And if you believe that ice skater is descended from Nobunaga just by having a common surname (at the end of the edo period, many Japanese had the chance to "adopt" famous surnames), then Soun may be descended from Minamoto and the ancients Hojo.
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the problem there is there is many figures with the same last name but they had no blood relation to each other. like it be like saying the writer and mangaka of One Piece is also related to Nobunaga Oda but there is no proof on that.


and not sure where u got the whole Sanada descended from the minamoto, but all the sources i have found regarding that dont have any such information. the only clan i know of and read that was descendended from the minamoto were Mitsuhide's Clan.


Same thing with the Oda and Hojo, they claim to be descended from the Taira, but again there is no actual proof of thier claims.


so i would take any information on these figures saying thier descendents of the Minamoto or Taira, with a grain of salt as there is no actual proof.


Like its not like its uncommon for figures to change thier names either. Like Musashi Miyamoto used to be known as Takezo Shiman, Ieyasu was known as Matsudaira Nobuyasu i believe, and etc.


So chances are Soun just because he has the last name Hojo doesn't mean he is related to the Hojo clan.


like even in today's day and age. its not uncommon for some people to have the same last name.


and Spirit of Sanada doesnt even mention the Minamoto or the Taira. or even Soun for that matter so i doubt it will ever be talked about anyway, especially given there is no proof on this ancestry thing


and as Rance said, i think if we are ever going to see the Hojo clan back when they were actually pretty powerful. we would need a Heian Warriors game. of course this would probably have a different Yoshitsune, Kiyomori, and Benkei then the ones we know from WO
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and honestly i don't think the Hojo during the Sengoku Era was as powerful as it was back during the Heian Period which we would need a totally separate Game for.


They weren't even the same clan. Hojo Soun wasn't a Hojo by birth. He changed his name because he thought the Heian Hojo were cool and felt like their name enhanced his prestige or something. His original surname was Ise.



But why Soun could not have been a distant relative of the ancient Hojo?

In fact, this seems to be very common. Even the Sanada clan declared themselves descended from the Minamoto clan even without concrete evidence.

I wonder if this is mentioned in Spirit of Sanada. If not, then they probably will not mention the supposed ancestry.

I mean, Hayakawa and Ujiyasu do not even look like someone who cares about something like that. In fact, I'm fine with Hayakawa and Kai having more participation with Yukimura and Nobuyuki.


And if you believe that ice skater is descended from Nobunaga just by having a common surname (at the end of the edo period, many Japanese had the chance to "adopt" famous surnames), then Soun may be descended from Minamoto and the ancients Hojo.
Soun had nothing to do with Hojo at all. He never even addressed himself as Hojo. It was Ujitsuna, who renamed the clan, due to the fact that his wife was descendant of the Kamakura Hojo. Soun was named "Hojo" posthumously, just like Sima Yi was named Emperor of Jin, when Sima Yan established Jin dynasty or Cao Cao being called Emperor or Wei after Cao Pi declared himself an Emperor.
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the problem there is there is many figures with the same last name but they had no blood relation to each other. like it be like saying the writer and mangaka of One Piece is also related to Nobunaga Oda but there is no proof on that.


and not sure where u got the whole Sanada descended from the minamoto, but all the sources i have found regarding that dont have any such information. the only clan i know of and read that was descendended from the minamoto were Mitsuhide's Clan.


Same thing with the Oda and Hojo, they claim to be descended from the Taira, but again there is no actual proof of thier claims.


so i would take any information on these figures saying thier descendents of the Minamoto or Taira, with a grain of salt as there is no actual proof.


Like its not like its uncommon for figures to change thier names either. Like Musashi Miyamoto used to be known as Takezo Shiman, Ieyasu was known as Matsudaira Nobuyasu i believe, and etc.


So chances are Soun just because he has the last name Hojo doesn't mean he is related to the Hojo clan.


like even in today's day and age. its not uncommon for some people to have the same last name.


and Spirit of Sanada doesnt even mention the Minamoto or the Taira. or even Soun for that matter so i doubt it will ever be talked about anyway, especially given there is no proof on this ancestry thing


and as Rance said, i think if we are ever going to see the Hojo clan back when they were actually pretty powerful. we would need a Heian Warriors game. of course this would probably have a different Yoshitsune, Kiyomori, and Benkei then the ones we know from WO


As for the surnames, you may be right, although it is much more improbable that the author of One Piece is related to Nobunaga than both the Hojo clans are related.


Even though after the Meiji period, all Japanese had the right to have a surname, so many may have chosen popular surnames. But I think it was very difficult in the time of Ujitsuna or Soun to simply pick up a surname that was well known.



Not to be rude, but within the context in stories where the clan Hojo has help from a woman perhaps never existed and a demon ninja, this could still be possible.


I mean, I'm not saying to glorify the more recent Hojo as if they were special or something, but I'm sure that sounds like a full material to a fictional story.





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and honestly i don't think the Hojo during the Sengoku Era was as powerful as it was back during the Heian Period which we would need a totally separate Game for.


They weren't even the same clan. Hojo Soun wasn't a Hojo by birth. He changed his name because he thought the Heian Hojo were cool and felt like their name enhanced his prestige or something. His original surname was Ise.



But why Soun could not have been a distant relative of the ancient Hojo?

In fact, this seems to be very common. Even the Sanada clan declared themselves descended from the Minamoto clan even without concrete evidence.

I wonder if this is mentioned in Spirit of Sanada. If not, then they probably will not mention the supposed ancestry.

I mean, Hayakawa and Ujiyasu do not even look like someone who cares about something like that. In fact, I'm fine with Hayakawa and Kai having more participation with Yukimura and Nobuyuki.


And if you believe that ice skater is descended from Nobunaga just by having a common surname (at the end of the edo period, many Japanese had the chance to "adopt" famous surnames), then Soun may be descended from Minamoto and the ancients Hojo.
Soun had nothing to do with Hojo at all. He never even addressed himself as Hojo. It was Ujitsuna, who renamed the clan, due to the fact that his wife was descendant of the Kamakura Hojo. Soun was named "Hojo" posthumously, just like Sima Yi was named Emperor of Jin, when Sima Yan established Jin dynasty or Cao Cao being called Emperor or Wei after Cao Pi declared himself an Emperor.



Sorry, I saw recently that Ujitsuna changed the name of the father, but the origin of Soun are already supposed to be a bit complicated. In some sources they would have come from Kyoto to Kanto, where he helped to give rise to the most recent Hojo, although he did not adopt the surname.

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Old Yukimura's design looks like SW3 Mitsuhide Akechi.
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Blood! Finally..

Boy. Was that so hard, Koei?
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Blood! Finally..

Boy. Was that so hard, Koei?
well to be fair they do have blood in some of thier other games such as Berserk: Band of the Hawk, Fist of the North: Ken's Rage, and i think Attack on Titan.


they just don't seem to put blood in the actual warriors games they make: Samurai Warriors, Dynasty Warriors, Warriors Orochi, Warriors All-Stars.



tho not sure on Warriors of Troy or Bladestorm since i never played those.
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Blood! Finally..

Boy. Was that so hard, Koei?
well to be fair they do have blood in some of thier other games such as Berserk: Band of the Hawk, Fist of the North: Ken's Rage, and i think Attack on Titan.


they just don't seem to put blood in the actual warriors games they make: Samurai Warriors, Dynasty Warriors, Warriors Orochi, Warriors All-Stars.



tho not sure on Warriors of Troy or Bladestorm since i never played those.
Warriors of Troy wasnt made by KTs default team in Japan, but was actually made by KT's Canadian branch. They had included blood to make it hard core and realistic, however KT headquarters in japan had told them that they need the option to turn it on/off for players who dont like it, and the feature doesnt even exist in the japanese version from what ive read online. could be wrong about the latter part though.
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Blood! Finally..

Boy. Was that so hard, Koei?
Actually yes. If you don't want your game to run slow as sh1t and not have the image cluttered with crap or this horrible combination-abomination of the two :

https://youtu.be/_Ffr6s1j_yA?t=165

Troy didn't have that problem because it was capped at a low framerate and was more interested in a visceral feel.

Unless you mean in cutscenes only, which is pretty stupid that they haven't included blood or something in their SW games. DW gets a pass due to LEL!Wuxia.
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Blood! Finally..

Boy. Was that so hard, Koei?
Actually yes. If you don't want your game to run slow as sh1t and not have the image cluttered with crap or this horrible combination-abomination of the two :

https://youtu.be/_Ffr6s1j_yA?t=165

Troy didn't have that problem because it was capped at a low framerate and was more interested in a visceral feel.

Unless you mean in cutscenes only, which is pretty stupid that they haven't included blood or something in their SW games. DW gets a pass due to LEL!Wuxia.
The question is why the blood effect must be applied like in your example though?

There are other ways and better calculations to apply blood effect without any screen-cluttering method or CPU and VGA-burning quality.
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The example I provided is another option. Even with Troy's approach, it's not really that good and then you have Berserk's approach to blood :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XneDUjW-PY

Which usually disappears when you exit Berserk mode / Wrath / whatever it was called but Berserk also has lower quality graphics that isn't apparent due to its vastly changed aesthetic and artstyle compared to the mainline Warriors games. Either they have to tone things down a lot and get blood or get an artstyle and graphical direction like the one One Piece and Berserk Musou have to allow for blood without the game engine chugging or having problems displaying it on any cpacity.
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Berserk's blood effect is good enough. The disappearing blood doesn't really matter in the end considering this is a game where bodies fades out after 1 second and on-screen.

Besides, DW and SW have so many effects applied and going on already on top of frequent particle effect dropping. They can replace those flashy vfx with simple animated plane blood effect and probably the game will even have higher fps.
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Do we really need a spilled ketchup, though? Sure, some blood in cutscenes would be nice, but blood splattering all over the place like it's some 90th slasher film (or Alien: Covenant) is just tasteless.
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I wanted to know why Hayakawa is not present in the epilogue?

I hate how everyone treated her like she was just a silly and stupid girl for not having a choice to support her stubborn brother. But let us respect the glorious Yukimura who wants to die fighting and threatening peace.


Also, Kai completely forgot about Hayakawa at the end of the game. Hayakawa should be there to console Kai at least to say something positive that she could certainly say.


But no, Grace is much more important to be in the end and it is also better everyone to be saddened by two idiots who threatened peace. No one gave the least to Hayakawa, if they may not want to support and give attention to someone pacifist and prefer to glorify the honor-obsessed idiots, I do not think they deserve peace.


And even if Nene historically moved away from "political issues" because she was not in Osaka in the end? And I imagine Kotaro is too puzzling to be there.


It would be funny if Hayakawa and Nene are too busy taking Hideyori and Chacha to hide in a safe place. That's probably what they could do.



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I don't know, man. Probably because the title is not Spirit of Hayakawa and not Hayakawa-maru in Japanese version.
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Sorry, I do not want to be rude, but the other name of the game is "Spirit of Gracia" and "Gracia maru"?


I mean, she gets a forced friendship with Chacha, survives her death and is still in Osaka at the end even though she should be dead a decade earlier.


And all I wanted for Hayakawa is that she gets better dialogues in Odawaras and is present with everyone else in Osaka, like the ten other characters who fought in Osaka. Is it really asking too much?


And also, it would be good if they did not make Nobuyuki have the same outfit since adolęscencia since he is one of the Sanada. But apparently Omega need to take time by forcing interaction between Chacha and Grace even if it is not Spirit of Chacha and Gracia.


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For a starters, epilogue happens long after Hayakawa’s death. Sure, Gracia is present there. But it doesn’t mean it’s a good thing or that we should have a whole bunch of undead characters there.
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For a starters, epilogue happens long after Hayakawa’s death. Sure, Gracia is present there. But it doesn’t mean it’s a good thing or that we should have a whole bunch of undead characters there.



I think this was only a year after the Osaka Campaign, furthermore Kojuro should also be dead because he died before the battle in Osaka finish, but he still seems alive.


And since there is nothing to indicate that Hayakawa died, I could be more positive and just think that she simply was not in Osaka at that time.


But do not you think that Nene's absence is a bit strange? It's okay that historically she moved away from "political issues" (which never appears in the game, anyway), but she could be there because at least she was still alive at the time.


And sorry, but could you elaborate your answer better? Would you prefer more historical accuracy and wish that Gracia was not there?


Well, anyway, there's not much to do in the epilogue besides having a little chat and so it's not a big flaw.


At least Hayakawa and several others can be seen in exploration mode and free mode.


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