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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
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AntonKutovoi
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Speaking of Kunoichi, do you think we might see a young version of her here? In anime she knew Yukimura since childhood (was saved by him, to be exact), so maybe they'll include this part in the game as well?

Also, I'm currently watching Sanadamaru (or, in case of first 6 episodes, rewatching with subs) and there's an interesting addition to the story - Yukimura is present at Azuchi when Honnoji happened, so he had to escape from Akechi forces. I somewhat wish for it to be added, though it's unlikely.
Edited by AntonKutovoi, Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:22 pm.
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they'll prolly tone down the whole fictional side of things for a bit in this one, i'm not surprised if Kunoichi doesn't get to do anything in here, let alone getting a kid model.
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Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:55 am
you guys think that, since this game is so Yukimura focused, his wife might be included?

sorry if this has been brought up before, im only just recently learning about this game. Haven't been paying attention to SW for a while, so i missed its initial announcement.
Possible, especially given that there'll likely be at least 1 new female if there'll be multiple new characters. It could complicate Kuno's one-sided relationship with Yukimura, though.
If their relationship is already one-sided how will Yukimura getting a wife complicate anything? Yukimura could just continue to ignore her as he always does.
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bluefiend
Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:22 pm
Fuuma
Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:44 pm
Ixbran
Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:55 am
you guys think that, since this game is so Yukimura focused, his wife might be included?

sorry if this has been brought up before, im only just recently learning about this game. Haven't been paying attention to SW for a while, so i missed its initial announcement.
Possible, especially given that there'll likely be at least 1 new female if there'll be multiple new characters. It could complicate Kuno's one-sided relationship with Yukimura, though.
If their relationship is already one-sided how will Yukimura getting a wife complicate anything? Yukimura could just continue to ignore her as he always does.
I was talking about only Kunoichi (wording was ambiguous, my mistake). True, it won't affect how Yukimura feels about Kunoichi, but vice-verse it will. I don't think they want to have a scene with Yukimura walking hand in hand with Akihime while a jealous Kuno watches heartbroken in the distance.

Do we really need Akihime anyway? They should consider really carefully which characters will be added from now on since the roster is starting to get unmanageable soon at this rate.
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Um yes Yukimura does need her.
Without Akihime:
-Yukimura would have no true ties to the Western side
-there would be no exile in Kudoyama since he ended up there since Yoshitsugu was his father in law
-Yukimura wouldn't have Daisuke who could be potentially playable

Akihime could be a very tragic character:
married as a child bride to Yukimura (even the tv drama depicts her like this) under orders of Hideyoshi.
she loses Yoshitsugu at Sekigahara.
Had a long exile in Kudoyama which was very hard.
Loses Yukimura and Daisuke at the Siege of Osaka.
Loses her brother also in 1615 in another battle.

She also:
developed the Sanadahimo which improved the conditions at Kudoyama.
had some kind of good bye scene in which Yukimura from what I have read gave her keep sakes.
Was arrested after the death of her husband and son by the shogunate along with her daughter Kuri however was pardoned.
Became a nun and lived a quiet life after her husband's death.

She could be shown shortly before Sekigahara, during Kudoyama and the Siege itself. In the ending you could see her arrested however then being pardoned.
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I don't see them adding Akihime simply because of the strong shounen influences SW currently has. The way he acts towards Kunoichi is telling already.

@Maya: What works in a TV Drama doesn't in a videogame, all the Kudoyama stuff, interesting as it is, doesn't matter in a Warriors game.
Edited by Manjiimortal, Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:18 pm.
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Masayuki was still alive for sekigahara so I wonder how that will go out I think he died so some time before Osaka but the could always just throw him in there
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Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:17 pm
Masayuki was still alive for sekigahara so I wonder how that will go out I think he died so some time before Osaka but the could always just throw him in there
I'm more than sure that Masayuki won't be at Osaka. Well, for a starters it will be stupid - it's Yukimura's moment of glory. No need to add his daddy there. Also, I'm more than sure that Kudoyama will be present either as a separated stage or at least as a cutscene, so Masayuki easily can have his death scene.
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AFAIK, the siege of Ösaka happened a lot of time after Sekigahara, Masayuki's life would need to be extended a lot to have him appear there. Also, nobody answered before when I asked, what about one of Masayuki's daughters? According to Koei Wiki, there are two: Lady Muramatsu, who married Shigemasa Oyamada, and Seikö-in, who married Shigenao Tsumaki. Also, I'm pretty sure Otsu Öno will be added as well, they did add her in SW4's Chronicle Mode, which is fairly early for a CAW female, and she became concubine to Nobuyuki, while having ties with other characters, she has the potential to be added.
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Yukimura's story seems to have worked just fine without Akihime. And there's literally no reason to add Yukimura's sons to the game, they're not just worth it.

As I said before, they should think twice who they add to the roster from here on. I don't want SW to share DW's fate in a regard that the roster has tons of characters who don't add much to the game. So with that in mind I'd also like them to slow down on adding new characters (maybe just 7 for SW5) so that they can flesh out the existing ones more. I also wouldn't be entirely against cuts if there's good reason to do so (such as severe unpopularity).

Honestly, SW was always more about quality > quantity than DW and I hope they can stick to that in the future.
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Child Kunoichi would be cool, but I'd rather see an older version of her when she dies at Osaka with Yukimura

She can't be 15 forever
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I wouldn't be surprised if they age her. It would be really weird to see Hunkimura and no aging with Kunoichi.
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Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:08 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if they age her. It would be really weird to see Hunkimura and no aging with Kunoichi.
I wouldn't be surprised if they handwave it by having her claim she's using a secret ninja magic of illusion to make herself look like she's younger. Not in the least.
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Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:34 pm
Yukimura's story seems to have worked just fine without Akihime. And there's literally no reason to add Yukimura's sons to the game, they're not just worth it.

As I said before, they should think twice who they add to the roster from here on. I don't want SW to share DW's fate in a regard that the roster has tons of characters who don't add much to the game. So with that in mind I'd also like them to slow down on adding new characters (maybe just 7 for SW5) so that they can flesh out the existing ones more. I also wouldn't be entirely against cuts if there's good reason to do so (such as severe unpopularity).

Honestly, SW was always more about quality > quantity than DW and I hope they can stick to that in the future.
Idk about that, thus far Yukimura's reasoning to stick to the Toyotomi has been incredibly vague and contrived in every SW game so far(as he never really has time to establish any real loyalty to the Toyotomi). Akihime could fix that.

That aside, as long as Koei spaces adds out amongst the various clans/regions I don't think SW will run into the same problem as DW. In DW characters can never get proper focus as they're always competing with a ton of other characters at any one time. In SW we'll always have relatively well contained stories in clan based stories to establish characters on their own. In addition not all of those characters actually survive until Toyotomi time or Sekigahara meaning that they won't all be competing for screentime at the same time anyway, which is why I generally don't mind adds that die in the 1570s like Shingen, Kenshin, Ujiyasu or some of their retainers.

For example can you imagine how much more crowded the Toyotomi/Sekigahara time period would be if all the current Oda characters except for Nobunaga and Mitsuhide that lived to that time?

Clan stories are great because they give regions/clans they're own individual self contained stories, and once clans start getting more of their own enemies(Shikanosuke for Mori, Kono/Miyoshi for Chosokabe, Satake for Date/Hojo, Kyushu is mostly ok, but the Ryuzoji would help, Kanto is pretty good too, but I'm not sure who else the Azai could fight?) this will become much more apparent as clans will be able to better keep to themselves rather than relying on cross clan battles like Mori/Chosokabe and Date/Uesugi; the Mori/Otomo rivalry is pretty good, but shikanosuke and/or the Ouchi would still be a step up.

@Manjiiimortal: to age up Kunoichi all they'd have to do is give her that SW1 costume back with a proper graphical upgrade of course. SW1 Kunoichi looked like she could pass for 22-27 at least(middle age is like 25 in Japan or something like that right?).
Edited by bluefiend, Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:38 pm.
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Actually bluefiend, now that Masayuki's in there's no need of Akihime because his motives can justify Yukimura's.

Masayuki was the guy that did everything for his clan to survive, defecting, betraying, playing both sides, honour and loyalty were always secondary to survival, which made him in many people's opinion two-faced. Yukimura doesn't agree with Masayuki's philosophy, he values loyalty, even if it means death and annihilation, and he stands by the Toyotomi because it was by their side that he fought at Sekigahara.

It's as simple as that.
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Couldn't Yukimura's friendship with Mitsunari and Kanetsugu be enough for his loyalty to the Toyotomi?
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I think his disagreement towards his father's methods makes for a more dramatic and interesting story, as he eventually dies for his believes.
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@Manjiii: That's true, and it'd be better than the hamfisted Kanet/Mitsu/Yuki friendship that always shows up at the last minute. Still Akihime could enhance the situation and give Yukimura an emotional attachment to the Toyotomi which he still sorely needs, as without one he'll still just come off as a stubborn guy that's choosing to get himself killed.

But I'd be willing to take the Masayuki-Yukimura conflict in place of Akihime either way, it should be satisfactory enough.

Still though, choosing the Toyotomi because he fought one battle with them seems kind of weak, I wouldn't mind if they just plain had him disagree about Hideyori being unseated rather than going on about honor and loyalty to a guy he barely even interacts with. Or at least add that in alongside the honor and loyalty rants.

But really, Yodo is still choice #1!
Edited by bluefiend, Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:53 am.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they age her. It would be really weird to see Hunkimura and no aging with Kunoichi.
No you know who would be odd to have not age is Nobuyuki and maybe Ina. You could solve either of them by not having them show up (not likely in the grand scheme of things), but if you put ANYONE next to Older Yukimura beside Ieyasu (because by default he already looks like a grandpa which makes his earlier years look strange) it'll look weird (same thing happened to a lesser extent in Kessen III, some of the officers did age up to a certain point, but then you have someone like Yoshino who doesn't change at all stick out).

At least with Muneshige you can get away with him because he's already a full-blown adult even when he's supposed to be a kid.


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Also, I'm currently watching Sanadamaru (or, in case of first 6 episodes, rewatching with subs) and there's an interesting addition to the story - Yukimura is present at Azuchi when Honnoji happened, so he had to escape from Akechi forces. I somewhat wish for it to be added, though it's unlikely.


I take it Yukimura is supposed to be a hostage in that situation?
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I take it Yukimura is supposed to be a hostage in that situation?
In drama it's his sister, who is hostage, actually, and Yukimura was escorting her.
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I have no idea what the hell this is, let alone genre, but good to see masayuki getting his long deserved character spot, also major thumbs up for manly yukimura, bishy yukimura can go rot in hell where that garbage belongs

So some kinda openish world thing, with fishing, various ages for yukimura, it furthers the rivalry with capcom(which is like watching two stupid kids try to fist fight each other) and that's about all i know with whatever this is??
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I guess that would make sense, having some stages with one character and others with two. I really hope Takeda Katsuyori makes his debut here too, I think it'd be perfect to see both Shingen and Masayuki see their sons grow up.
It was confirmed somewhere in the screenshots that Katsuiory keeps his semi-unique form. So not gonna happen...
I hope in SW5, they change their minds and give Katsuyori a unique design.
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Normally there should be announcement from Famitsu Poll, but... I'm guessing no news means we have to wait for another week. However, I can be wrong though…
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There's no new about this game in either Famitsu or Dengeki this week.
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There's no new about this game in either Famitsu or Dengeki this week.
With the stream coming up next week I expect them to have news by then. The stream will be awful (because they always are, with pretend overenthusiasm from everyone involved) but if should supply us with new stuff to discuss.
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