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| Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada | |
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| Rance | Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:59 am Post #476 |
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Yuki Oh. No.
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If this was SW5 I'd be more keen to accept bluefiend's arguments against Morichika, but they make no sense here whatsoever. Morichika was a top dog at Osaka and this is the best opportunity he ever has of being in this series. More than that though, he's also an excellent choice for this particular entry because of how significant he was at Osaka. He's also relevant because of his particular battle with Todo Takatora during that campaign, which they could highlight if he was introduced. I actually agree with Fuuma on this, minus the condescension and argumentum ad populum. Hardly anybody cares about or wants some random Chosokabe shitters, but Morichika would actually appeal to some. Beyond that though, a lot of the random Chosokabe shitters that bluefiend has suggested in the past are too detached from anything to make a dent in this series. Many of them are totally irrelevant to the game's plot narrative. Morichika, by contrast, is Motochika's son, participated at Sekigahara and was one of five main commanders at Osaka. He's the perfect character to add to this game to flesh out the Osaka defenders and justify the division of that campaign into multiple battles. If they want a dynamic Osaka featuring a wide array of characters and personalities, Morichika is not only a good character to add but arguably the best new character they could add. The only other real options are Akashi, Mori Katsunaga, Goto Matabei and some leaderhead figure like Hideyori or Yodo (which I'm less of a fan of since this is a Sanada game and Yukimura ought to be the star). Edited by Rance, Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:02 am.
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| bluefiend | Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:18 am Post #477 |
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? It was the "who should be in the next SW game"(Which I've always taken to mean the main and XL games) thread where I said that Morichika was a rather limited add, however even there I acknowledged that he'd be a great add for this Sanada-maru game. Also what do you mean by some of the other Chosokabe retainers being too detached? They only really need to be around for the Chosokabe clan story mode. Anything after that is just a bonus(and stopping just short of joining Hideyoshi might prove to be just as much of a bonus as it means more screentime for all the other characters already in that time period). I think we seem to have different ideals on the idea of clan stories altogether; but when I think of clan stories I can view just about all of the characters added to them in the same way you do of Shikanosuke. They're there to help the individual clan story(in Shikanosuke's case it's the Mori) as the land united story already has more than enough characters on it's own. This also applies to Ryuzoji Takanobu. That guy won't be around for any of Hideyoshi's conquests or even anything beyond 1584, but he'd still make a nice boon to the Otomo and Shimazu stories the same way some new Chosokabe retainers would make nice boons to the Chosokabe story. Also, why would having Yodo or Hideyori affect Yukimura's spotlight at all? Just because someone is the leader doesn't necessarily mean they have to be the main character. And one last thing, what's this about them being irrelevant to the plot narrative? They only really need to be relevant during clan stories which for all intents and purposes is their primary plot. I mean in terms of the game why is the Oda fighting the Azai in the Oda clan story any less significant than the Uesugi fighting the Hojo? as far as the characters of these clans are concerned these events are just as significant as each other. sort of like with the MCU sure the avengers are the most important movies(or at least they're supposed to be), but at the time of the individual movies none of the characters act like it's any less important than the team up movies. |
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| Amakusa | Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:44 am Post #478 |
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They won't do that because the Date family already hate Koei Tecmo; going further by showing the Family Screwup Job isn't going to make things any better. Unless someone at Koei Tecmo really wants to give the Date family the finger, of course. |
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| Zai Tong | Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:31 am Post #479 |
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Hmmm has a anyone now made a sw4 CAW out of Masayuki now that he has his own very design I plan to do it |
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| Rance | Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:31 am Post #480 |
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Yuki Oh. No.
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This is kind of a disparate conversation so I'll just respond to things point by point. 1.) My problem is that the Chosokabe narrative is so insular and irrelevant to pretty much anybody except for the Chosokabe themselves. I do care about the clan stories, but I also look at a character's crossover appeal. There are several different factors which make me think of a character as worthy or not. Kyushu is a bit different because there's not just one clan there, but several (Shimazu, Otomo, Ryuzoji and yes, Mori, being the big guys in SW). The entire Chosokabe tale takes place in a bubble outside of everything else. Also, it's unfortunately just not interesting enough for KOEI to bother adding in all of Motochika's rivals and battles. The most they will probably do is give the Miyoshi a nod. I actually think they're better off entirely bull******** Shikoku as that's probably more interesting than what actually occurred there historically. If it was up to me, I would seriously just make a deal to add Gakupo to the Chosokabe. Then I'd give them a totally asinine plot about Making Japan Great Again with rhythm and dance. 2.) My feeling on the Chosokabe is that they should probably just make the Miyoshi the big bad and stick with the characters they already have, possibly plus Morichika. Since Morichika is a great choice for this Sanadamaru game anyways, they might as well just keep him in the game and leave the Chosokabe at that. You seem to want a Chosokabe character for the sake of the Chosokabe, and I think that's where we differ. I personally feel like KOEI can only pay so much attention to Shikoku as it's so peripheral to any of the game's potential plots, subplots and character interactions. 3.) They could add some other Chosokabe officers to the game and they would have no role outside of the Chosokabe story and barely any interactions with any of the game's cast. I actually think Shikanosuke is slightly different because briefly he gets involved with the Oda/Toyotomi. Beyond that, Shikanosuke gets a pass for being a legendary hero/warrior of the time period. I think this is something that you're not really getting. Some of his deficiencies as a limited character are made up for by the fact that he has a reputation similar to characters like Hanzo, Yukimura, Kiyomasa, etc. He's an actual samurai warrior in the truest sense. The Chosokabe retainers are really irrelevant to anybody other than someone who has really probed into them. Most people are not likely going to care about a lot of the officers you mentioned, who often seem to die early or young and whose role in everything would be highly limited. Whatever they add to the Chosokabe story from my perspective is not worth the roster slot since there are much better stories to be told. 4.) Adding Yodo or Hideyori would absolutely affect Yukimura's spotlight because as new characters, KOEI would have to give them a prominent role. If they don't have a prominent role, they're pretty much just useless filler. If they do then it snatches away one of the major purposes of this particular title. I also just genuinely dislike their inclusion because every character that gets added has a negative effect on other characters' screentime. If we have Yodo or Hideyori around, it means they'll spend a lot less time focusing on the Osaka defenders that actually mattered: the few ronin turned Toyotomi loyalists who lead the armies in the field. The biggest problem with Yodo and Hideyori is that they really did nothing at all in terms of the battles that happened. What that means is that KOEI would have to give them a shoehorned story which would likely mean providing them roles that they never had. In such a scenario, they end up hurting all the actual historical Osaka defenders, whose roles would be predetermined at least mostly by their historical role. In all likelihood, they're going to add Hideyori though. I guess in an expanded Osaka and in this game in particular, Hideyori could actually work. Personally, I hate his inclusion regardless of how amusing KOEI's take is. I'm less resentful of Yodo but I don't like her either. I feel like her addition would add very little while simultaneously subtracting a lot from characters that mattered more. Edited by Rance, Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:37 am.
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| hozonov | Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:33 pm Post #481 |
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Maybe I'm wrong but, besides Morichika, is there another daimyo who openly supports Hideyori at Osaka? If that's the case then this is the only time he'll have to appear in the series, maybe even as a UNPC (not CAW-made). But after all of this speculation, we should be looking more to the Taiga drama to know who could possibly appear in this game. As for SW5, I would like adding Nobuchika as playable. I imagine him age-wise as Masamune's SW-SW2 (He was born in 1565). he could aid Motochika in the conquest of Shikoku (I think it starts around 1575), lose in Hideyoshi's invasion and dying tragically at Hestugigawa, leaving Motochika devastated. Adding a bit of real drama to Motochika. |
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| AntonKutovoi | Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:00 pm Post #482 |
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Taiga drama i still running though, so it's impossible to talk about Osaka defenders from the drama yet. If we'll look at another characters, related to Sanada - there's Sasuke (well, duh), Ideura Masasuke/Morikiyo (another shinobi, Masayuki's friend and vassl). From the one side, he would be pretty cool, since he is also a Takeda vassal and he died in 1623 (born in 1546), which give him quite a lifespawn, but from the other - he is still a pretty minor figure. There's also Shigemasa Oyamada, who is funny character in the series, but is even more minor figure. There's Matsu, Yukimura's sister... but we need other Matsu, not Sanada one. And there's also Kiri, Yukimura's childhood |
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| Maya | Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:25 pm Post #483 |
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There is also Haru/Akihime in the Taiga now since the drama is almost at the Sekigahara plotline. Yoshitsugu is some kind of older sempai/Mentor for Yukimura in the drama so they might add the bond with the Otanis in the game. Dear god Kiri is such a stupid character by the way XD. Pretty much all watchers dislike her and along with Muramatsu she is the worst female character on the show since she adds nothing. Ina and Akihime are good female characters on the show so far luckily. |
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| hozonov | Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:58 pm Post #484 |
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I think it's gonna be hard to add a female character to Yukimura, since she'll have to interact with Kunoichi too (at least I hope she doesn't disappear like in SW2). Do you guys know how can I watch the Taiga drama? Now I'm getting interested in it. That was the point of the game too wasn't it? |
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| AntonKutovoi | Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:12 pm Post #485 |
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Here's subs: http://www.d-addicts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=162189 As for the RAWs - just go at the nyaatorrents. It should be there. |
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| hozonov | Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:20 pm Post #486 |
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Thanks a lot, good man. |
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| SwashbucklingChef | Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:33 am Post #487 |
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Are we allowed to post links to sites that have it streaming with the subtitles on the forum? If so, I have a great link that I have been using to watching it. |
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| AntonKutovoi | Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:17 am Post #488 |
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I don't really think it will be a problem, since Sanada Maru drama doesn't have official English stream. |
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| Katatonia | Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:48 am Post #489 |
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Yeah, you're good, dear
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| SwashbucklingChef | Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:43 pm Post #490 |
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Well then, here's the site I've been using! Enjoy! http://dramanice.in/drama/sanada-maru-detail |
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| Thai Ma | Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:25 pm Post #491 |
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A game about the Sanada family? Sound really nice, i wonder how they do it. |
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| wodash | Mon Aug 1, 2016 2:20 am Post #492 |
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add Masayuki to SW4, done. Edited by wodash, Mon Aug 1, 2016 2:20 am.
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| WarHawk | Mon Aug 1, 2016 12:10 pm Post #493 |
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Where did bandana go?
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I predict news this week. And I predict new girl alongside Goto Matabei to appear. I don`t know why but lately I became confident in his addition. I mean they even added Matabei as companion`s mitama! yeah-yeah Kennyo, Matsu, Sorin and few others appeared as mitamas too, so what? It`s just logical! I mean game that dedicated to Sanada and among all Osaka defenders he seems as the most famous one. Am I right about that? |
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| hozonov | Mon Aug 1, 2016 3:10 pm Post #494 |
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I never wanted Matebei before in the series, but it's now or never for him. And I can see a girl being added, but I just don't know who could be. After Kosho, I know Koei can really surprise us. |
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| AntonKutovoi | Mon Aug 1, 2016 7:09 pm Post #495 |
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Don't know about character reveal, but there definetely will be trailer this week. |
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| The Outsider | Mon Aug 1, 2016 10:44 pm Post #496 |
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I don't think they'll unveil a new character just yet, they'll likely show off Masayuki's moveset briefly and Yukimura older |
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| Dylan-Maru | Mon Aug 1, 2016 11:04 pm Post #497 |
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HE'S GOING TO AGE???? so far that new Zhao Yun game compared to this is just woah. I'm liking this so far even tho I don't like Yukimura that much Eiketsuden is sooooo inferior towards this xD well we know koei is okay with developing age in games so i hope in the future main entries they consider this even if it's just the empires this looks really good. |
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| Myst | Mon Aug 1, 2016 11:37 pm Post #498 |
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Thing is this might actually be a good game if it didnt have Warriors combat. It will instead be SW4- plus Masayuki, Yukimura skins, and recycle towns from Empires. |
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| Makörë | Mon Aug 1, 2016 11:39 pm Post #499 |
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I don't see why the Warriors gameplay would be a bad thing. |
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| Myst | Tue Aug 2, 2016 12:01 am Post #500 |
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They had used the Warrior gameplay in too many game now XD |
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