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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
Topic Started: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:15 pm (168,879 Views)
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If this was SW5 I'd be more keen to accept bluefiend's arguments against Morichika, but they make no sense here whatsoever. Morichika was a top dog at Osaka and this is the best opportunity he ever has of being in this series. More than that though, he's also an excellent choice for this particular entry because of how significant he was at Osaka. He's also relevant because of his particular battle with Todo Takatora during that campaign, which they could highlight if he was introduced.

I actually agree with Fuuma on this, minus the condescension and argumentum ad populum. Hardly anybody cares about or wants some random Chosokabe shitters, but Morichika would actually appeal to some. Beyond that though, a lot of the random Chosokabe shitters that bluefiend has suggested in the past are too detached from anything to make a dent in this series. Many of them are totally irrelevant to the game's plot narrative. Morichika, by contrast, is Motochika's son, participated at Sekigahara and was one of five main commanders at Osaka. He's the perfect character to add to this game to flesh out the Osaka defenders and justify the division of that campaign into multiple battles. If they want a dynamic Osaka featuring a wide array of characters and personalities, Morichika is not only a good character to add but arguably the best new character they could add. The only other real options are Akashi, Mori Katsunaga, Goto Matabei and some leaderhead figure like Hideyori or Yodo (which I'm less of a fan of since this is a Sanada game and Yukimura ought to be the star).
Edited by Rance, Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:02 am.
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Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:59 am
If this was SW5 I'd be more keen to accept bluefiend's arguments against Morichika, but they make no sense here whatsoever. Morichika was a top dog at Osaka and this is the best opportunity he ever has of being in this series. More than that though, he's also an excellent choice for this particular entry because of how significant he was at Osaka. He's also relevant because of his particular battle with Todo Takatora during that campaign, which they could highlight if he was introduced.

I actually agree with Fuuma on this, minus the condescension and argumentum ad populum. Hardly anybody cares about or wants some random Chosokabe shitters, but Morichika would actually appeal to some. Beyond that though, a lot of the random Chosokabe shitters that bluefiend has suggested in the past are too detached from anything to make a dent in this series. Many of them are totally irrelevant to the game's plot narrative. Morichika, by contrast, is Motochika's son, participated at Sekigahara and was one of five main commanders at Osaka. He's the perfect character to add to this game to flesh out the Osaka defenders and justify the division of that campaign into multiple battles. If they want a dynamic Osaka featuring a wide array of characters and personalities, Morichika is not only a good character to add but arguably the best new character they could add. The only other real options are Akashi, Mori Katsunaga, Goto Matabei and some leaderhead figure like Hideyori or Yodo (which I'm less of a fan of since this is a Sanada game and Yukimura ought to be the star).
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It was the "who should be in the next SW game"(Which I've always taken to mean the main and XL games) thread where I said that Morichika was a rather limited add, however even there I acknowledged that he'd be a great add for this Sanada-maru game.

Also what do you mean by some of the other Chosokabe retainers being too detached? They only really need to be around for the Chosokabe clan story mode. Anything after that is just a bonus(and stopping just short of joining Hideyoshi might prove to be just as much of a bonus as it means more screentime for all the other characters already in that time period).

I think we seem to have different ideals on the idea of clan stories altogether; but when I think of clan stories I can view just about all of the characters added to them in the same way you do of Shikanosuke. They're there to help the individual clan story(in Shikanosuke's case it's the Mori) as the land united story already has more than enough characters on it's own.

This also applies to Ryuzoji Takanobu. That guy won't be around for any of Hideyoshi's conquests or even anything beyond 1584, but he'd still make a nice boon to the Otomo and Shimazu stories the same way some new Chosokabe retainers would make nice boons to the Chosokabe story.

Also, why would having Yodo or Hideyori affect Yukimura's spotlight at all? Just because someone is the leader doesn't necessarily mean they have to be the main character.

And one last thing, what's this about them being irrelevant to the plot narrative? They only really need to be relevant during clan stories which for all intents and purposes is their primary plot. I mean in terms of the game why is the Oda fighting the Azai in the Oda clan story any less significant than the Uesugi fighting the Hojo? as far as the characters of these clans are concerned these events are just as significant as each other. sort of like with the MCU sure the avengers are the most important movies(or at least they're supposed to be), but at the time of the individual movies none of the characters act like it's any less important than the team up movies.
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Not sure of the battle name, but there is this battle to consider that happened on May 7:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?460314-Osaka-May-7th-1615-The-greatest-victory-ever-in-the-Se-no-Japanese-history!


Haha wow! can't believe someone else managed to find that without me pointing it out!

That said, maybe I'm just tired and can't see it right the sarcasm right now, but your post seems to be taking this battle seriously?
You know, thinking back to how SW2 handled Masamune, attacking Edo after being inspired by Yukimura, it's possible they could use that battle and spin it as an intentional assistance.
They won't do that because the Date family already hate Koei Tecmo; going further by showing the Family Screwup Job isn't going to make things any better.

Unless someone at Koei Tecmo really wants to give the Date family the finger, of course.
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Hmmm has a anyone now made a sw4 CAW out of Masayuki now that he has his own very design I plan to do it
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This is kind of a disparate conversation so I'll just respond to things point by point.

1.) My problem is that the Chosokabe narrative is so insular and irrelevant to pretty much anybody except for the Chosokabe themselves. I do care about the clan stories, but I also look at a character's crossover appeal. There are several different factors which make me think of a character as worthy or not. Kyushu is a bit different because there's not just one clan there, but several (Shimazu, Otomo, Ryuzoji and yes, Mori, being the big guys in SW). The entire Chosokabe tale takes place in a bubble outside of everything else. Also, it's unfortunately just not interesting enough for KOEI to bother adding in all of Motochika's rivals and battles. The most they will probably do is give the Miyoshi a nod. I actually think they're better off entirely bull******** Shikoku as that's probably more interesting than what actually occurred there historically. If it was up to me, I would seriously just make a deal to add Gakupo to the Chosokabe. Then I'd give them a totally asinine plot about Making Japan Great Again with rhythm and dance.

2.) My feeling on the Chosokabe is that they should probably just make the Miyoshi the big bad and stick with the characters they already have, possibly plus Morichika. Since Morichika is a great choice for this Sanadamaru game anyways, they might as well just keep him in the game and leave the Chosokabe at that. You seem to want a Chosokabe character for the sake of the Chosokabe, and I think that's where we differ. I personally feel like KOEI can only pay so much attention to Shikoku as it's so peripheral to any of the game's potential plots, subplots and character interactions.

3.) They could add some other Chosokabe officers to the game and they would have no role outside of the Chosokabe story and barely any interactions with any of the game's cast. I actually think Shikanosuke is slightly different because briefly he gets involved with the Oda/Toyotomi. Beyond that, Shikanosuke gets a pass for being a legendary hero/warrior of the time period. I think this is something that you're not really getting. Some of his deficiencies as a limited character are made up for by the fact that he has a reputation similar to characters like Hanzo, Yukimura, Kiyomasa, etc. He's an actual samurai warrior in the truest sense. The Chosokabe retainers are really irrelevant to anybody other than someone who has really probed into them. Most people are not likely going to care about a lot of the officers you mentioned, who often seem to die early or young and whose role in everything would be highly limited. Whatever they add to the Chosokabe story from my perspective is not worth the roster slot since there are much better stories to be told.

4.) Adding Yodo or Hideyori would absolutely affect Yukimura's spotlight because as new characters, KOEI would have to give them a prominent role. If they don't have a prominent role, they're pretty much just useless filler. If they do then it snatches away one of the major purposes of this particular title. I also just genuinely dislike their inclusion because every character that gets added has a negative effect on other characters' screentime. If we have Yodo or Hideyori around, it means they'll spend a lot less time focusing on the Osaka defenders that actually mattered: the few ronin turned Toyotomi loyalists who lead the armies in the field. The biggest problem with Yodo and Hideyori is that they really did nothing at all in terms of the battles that happened. What that means is that KOEI would have to give them a shoehorned story which would likely mean providing them roles that they never had. In such a scenario, they end up hurting all the actual historical Osaka defenders, whose roles would be predetermined at least mostly by their historical role.

In all likelihood, they're going to add Hideyori though. I guess in an expanded Osaka and in this game in particular, Hideyori could actually work. Personally, I hate his inclusion regardless of how amusing KOEI's take is. I'm less resentful of Yodo but I don't like her either. I feel like her addition would add very little while simultaneously subtracting a lot from characters that mattered more.
Edited by Rance, Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:37 am.
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Maybe I'm wrong but, besides Morichika, is there another daimyo who openly supports Hideyori at Osaka? If that's the case then this is the only time he'll have to appear in the series, maybe even as a UNPC (not CAW-made). But after all of this speculation, we should be looking more to the Taiga drama to know who could possibly appear in this game.
As for SW5, I would like adding Nobuchika as playable. I imagine him age-wise as Masamune's SW-SW2 (He was born in 1565). he could aid Motochika in the conquest of Shikoku (I think it starts around 1575), lose in Hideyoshi's invasion and dying tragically at Hestugigawa, leaving Motochika devastated. Adding a bit of real drama to Motochika.
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Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:33 pm
But after all of this speculation, we should be looking more to the Taiga drama to know who could possibly appear in this game.
Taiga drama i still running though, so it's impossible to talk about Osaka defenders from the drama yet. If we'll look at another characters, related to Sanada - there's Sasuke (well, duh), Ideura Masasuke/Morikiyo (another shinobi, Masayuki's friend and vassl). From the one side, he would be pretty cool, since he is also a Takeda vassal and he died in 1623 (born in 1546), which give him quite a lifespawn, but from the other - he is still a pretty minor figure. There's also Shigemasa Oyamada, who is funny character in the series, but is even more minor figure. There's Matsu, Yukimura's sister... but we need other Matsu, not Sanada one. And there's also Kiri, Yukimura's childhood annoyance friend. Kunoichi can play this role just fine.
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There is also Haru/Akihime in the Taiga now since the drama is almost at the Sekigahara plotline. Yoshitsugu is some kind of older sempai/Mentor for Yukimura in the drama so they might add the bond with the Otanis in the game.

Dear god Kiri is such a stupid character by the way XD. Pretty much all watchers dislike her and along with Muramatsu she is the worst female character on the show since she adds nothing.
Ina and Akihime are good female characters on the show so far luckily.
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I think it's gonna be hard to add a female character to Yukimura, since she'll have to interact with Kunoichi too (at least I hope she doesn't disappear like in SW2).
Do you guys know how can I watch the Taiga drama? Now I'm getting interested in it. That was the point of the game too wasn't it?
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Here's subs:
http://www.d-addicts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=162189

As for the RAWs - just go at the nyaatorrents. It should be there.
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Here's subs:
http://www.d-addicts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=162189

As for the RAWs - just go at the nyaatorrents. It should be there.
Thanks a lot, good man.
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Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:12 pm
Here's subs:
http://www.d-addicts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=162189

As for the RAWs - just go at the nyaatorrents. It should be there.
Are we allowed to post links to sites that have it streaming with the subtitles on the forum? If so, I have a great link that I have been using to watching it.
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Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:33 am
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Here's subs:
http://www.d-addicts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=162189

As for the RAWs - just go at the nyaatorrents. It should be there.
Are we allowed to post links to sites that have it streaming with the subtitles on the forum? If so, I have a great link that I have been using to watching it.
I don't really think it will be a problem, since Sanada Maru drama doesn't have official English stream.
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Yeah, you're good, dear :)
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Yeah, you're good, dear :)
Well then, here's the site I've been using! Enjoy!

http://dramanice.in/drama/sanada-maru-detail

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A game about the Sanada family? Sound really nice, i wonder how they do it.
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A game about the Sanada family? Sound really nice, i wonder how they do it.
add Masayuki to SW4, done.
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I predict news this week. And I predict new girl alongside Goto Matabei to appear. I don`t know why but lately I became confident in his addition. I mean they even added Matabei as companion`s mitama! yeah-yeah Kennyo, Matsu, Sorin and few others appeared as mitamas too, so what? It`s just logical! I mean game that dedicated to Sanada and among all Osaka defenders he seems as the most famous one. Am I right about that?
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I predict news this week. And I predict new girl alongside Goto Matabei to appear. I don`t know why but lately I became confident in his addition. I mean they even added Matabei as companion`s mitama! yeah-yeah Kennyo, Matsu, Sorin and few others appeared as mitamas too, so what? It`s just logical! I mean game that dedicated to Sanada and among all Osaka defenders he seems as the most famous one. Am I right about that?
I never wanted Matebei before in the series, but it's now or never for him. And I can see a girl being added, but I just don't know who could be. After Kosho, I know Koei can really surprise us.
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I predict news this week. And I predict new girl alongside Goto Matabei to appear. I don`t know why but lately I became confident in his addition. I mean they even added Matabei as companion`s mitama! yeah-yeah Kennyo, Matsu, Sorin and few others appeared as mitamas too, so what? It`s just logical! I mean game that dedicated to Sanada and among all Osaka defenders he seems as the most famous one. Am I right about that?
Don't know about character reveal, but there definetely will be trailer this week.
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I don't think they'll unveil a new character just yet, they'll likely show off Masayuki's moveset briefly and Yukimura older
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http://gematsu.com/2016/07/samurai-warriors-sanada-maru-announced-ps4-ps3-ps-vita

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The release calendar in the latest issue of Dengeki PlayStation reveals the existence of Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru for PlayStation 4, PlayStation 3, and PS Vita. It’s listed as due out in Japan in 2016.

Sanada Maru is a TV drama from NHK. We’re guessing Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru is some sort of collaboration between the Samurai Warriors series and the Sanada Maru TV drama, but that still remains to be confirmed.



Official Site Link: http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/sanadamaru/



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#SWSanadamaru info from Famitsu: Will be out somewhere around end of 2016, when Sanadamaru Taiga drama is at its climax. #PS4 #PS3 #PSVita

Who didn't see this coming: #SWSanadamaru will add Sanada Masayuki to the SW unique roster. He will be voiced by Miyake Kenta.

As with a certain other game, #SWSanadamaru will follow the growth of Yukimura: He'll have child, youth and adult looks in the game.

#SWSanadamaru Child Yukimura will be voiced by Saito Yuka. Child Nobuyuki will also appear.

Fun Fact: Saito Yuka is actually married to SW Yukimura's seiyuu Kusao Takeshi, and other than Child Yukimura she also voices SW Ii Naotora.

#SWSanadamaru confirms from the get-go that all existing SW series charas will be playable. Sub-modes including Free Mode also confirmed.

#SWSanadamaru seems to employ an open world feature to have an edge against that other game..!? All modes will be accessed from Castle Town.

Yes, #SWSanadamaru is reported to have an interactable Castle Town. Think like DW7-8's camps but with much more interactivity.

In #SWSanadamaru Castle Town you can buy horses at stable, interact with other characters, or go fishing.

Fishing may be important feature in #SWSanadamaru. Fishes can be used as materials, or given as presents to improve relationship with charas

#SWSanadamaru also has an exploration feature where you can freely explore nearby fields to gather items.

It's implied that during exploration in #SWSanadamaru there may be missions appearing and enemies spawning.

#SWSanadamaru "Next Move" will consist from calling reinforcements to building bridges. To activate them you'll need Sanada Coins.

Sanada Coins in #SWSanadamaru can be obtained from sub-missions in battles or by gathering information in Castle Town.

#SWSanadamaru Sanada Masayuki's weapon is Spear with a flag attached to it. I'd have to assume he'd be playable too.

Finally it's implied that #SWSanadamaru will have even more brand-new characters...!
- source, BlackKite's twitter
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Bio of Young Masayuki, Kid Yukimura, and Adult Yukimura.
  • Young MasayukiA warrior who supported to the House of Takeda for the over two generations from Takeda Shingen to Takeda Katsuyori, who after the fall of the House of Takeda took lead of the House of Sanada while fighting against neighboring daimyo. Given that he won't hestitate to betray and conspire, he is known as two-faced, and this way of life misleads his son, Yukimura.

  • Kid YukimuraA young warrior whose natural ambition sees him training every day while striving to be of service to the House of Sanada. In Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru, he is a playable military commander.

  • Adult YukimuraA warrior who mastered not only the martial arts, but also strategy while exiled to Kudoyama after the Battle of Sekigahara. He builds a small fortification called "Sanada Maru" and repels the Tokugawa army, and his bravery before the eyes of Tokugawa Ieyasu is handed down to future generations.
And some more info about castle town and exploration.
  • The story begins and advances in a "Castle Town" suited to the era. Interact with townspeople, train to prepare for upcoming battles, and experience the everyday lives of military commanders and the sequence of events that lead up to battle previously unseen in the Samurai Warriors series. Your Castle Town will increase with the "Sanada Main Castle", "Ueda Castle", and "Osaka Castle" as you advance the story. Additionally, events may be triggered in accordance with the town's changes, and new facilities will also be introduced.

  • Freely adventure throughout areas connected to the Sanadas, like "Sanada's Hometown", "The Foot of Mount Asama", and "Lake Suwa". Collect items and explore savage lands in stages somewhat different from the series' traditional battlefields.





Sanadamaru VS Yukimura-den can be a thing now. :lol:
HE'S GOING TO AGE???? :o
so far that new Zhao Yun game compared to this is just woah.
I'm liking this so far even tho I don't like Yukimura that much
Eiketsuden is sooooo inferior towards this xD

well we know koei is okay with developing age in games so i hope in the future main entries they consider this even if it's just the empires this looks really good.
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Thing is this might actually be a good game if it didnt have Warriors combat. It will instead be SW4- plus Masayuki, Yukimura skins, and recycle towns from Empires.
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I don't see why the Warriors gameplay would be a bad thing.
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They had used the Warrior gameplay in too many game now XD
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