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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
Topic Started: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:15 pm (168,871 Views)
Manjiimortal
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I think there's a good chance there's another addition to make it up to 3 new characters, it will likely be another Osaka defender.
Edited by Manjiimortal, Sat Aug 6, 2016 11:00 pm.
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Mmmm chacha in there won't be surprised if Matsu gets added since reluctantly she sided with the Tokugawa
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Makörë
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Actually, there is no reason for Matsu to be added in this installment. I mean, her role would likely be related to Toshiie and Keiji, not much for her to do in a game focused on the Sanada. Maybe someone closer to the Sanada, maybe Takeda, Uesugi, Höjö or Tokugawa.
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Manjiimortal
Sat Aug 6, 2016 3:48 pm
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Sat Aug 6, 2016 1:45 am
^One new playable character, one NPC, just like Eiketsuden? i can totally see that happening, sadly
I don't see that happening here, as in opposite to Eiketsuden Koei's actually putting effort in the game. Eiketsuden was their laziest game ever (and man, did I made fun of it!) but that's not the case for Sanada Maru.
I actually kinda disagree with you in some ways. It is true that Eiketsuden was lazy in terms of them reusing assets, but I think it took some effort to realize a completely new gameplay system with totally different mechanics from their usual productions. By contrast, I don't think Sanada Maru will mix up the gameplay much at all. It might add new content in terms of characters and story, but from my perspective that's more like adding a new coat of paint than redesigning the building.
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Sat Aug 6, 2016 10:51 pm
Mmmm chacha in there won't be surprised if Matsu gets added since reluctantly she sided with the Tokugawa
Matsu is very requested, but she'll probably be saved for SW5 instead.
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Speaking of Matsu, Chacha being in only makes her an even better add! There was a bit during a certain festival Hideyoshi held where Chacha and Hideyoshi's third favorite concubine Tatsuko Kyogoku(who could be a good choice as an add) fought over who would sit next to the primary wife Nene. Matsu being close friends with Hideyoshi and Nene took the opportunity to slip in and sit right next to Nene, which was somewhat embarrassing for Chacha and Tatsuko.

This particular event probably isn't worth putting in the game(unless it's part of the post Odawara unification celebration cutscene?). But it could be used as the basis of a Matsu/Chacha relationship. Chacha could be jealous of Matsu's closeness to Nene and/or Hideyoshi, or she could feel like she's trying to belittle or disrespect her. Or it could be Nene or Matsu's way of showing they disapprove of Chacha or certain actions she takes.
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This might be a good chance for Ujimasa to slip in.I mean this way Odawara will get some more accuracy rather than being a somewhat what-if scenario.
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But Odawara is not a what-if, the only thing really out of place there is Ujiyasu.
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Manjiimortal
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Sun Aug 7, 2016 7:25 pm
This might be a good chance for Ujimasa to slip in.I mean this way Odawara will get some more accuracy rather than being a somewhat what-if scenario.
The Hojo are actually a very relevant enemy for the Sanada. Aside from appearing on that Suruga level as opponents, Koei could also have the Sanada appear on the Otate no Ran level where the Hojo fight them again, then a new level they could add would be the Conquest of Numata Castle (1580) that Masayuki got from the Hojo. Then there's Kanagawa, the Tenchi-Jisho conflict and finally Odawara, so a new Hojo add would be nicely welcomed I think.
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Plus there's the whole bit in 1584 when the Hojo and Sanada got in a fight over Numata castle and Nobuyuki took a few hundred calvary men and won the day over the Hojo's 5000 or so troops(Not sure who was attacking and who was defending here though :P ). They could also make the 1589 Hojo assault on Numata castle that lead to the Odawara siege into it's own stage as well.

And they could bring back Ina's defense of Numata castle as a what-if stage with Nobuyuki as the commander and have that parallel the Tokugawa attack on Ueda that took place just a couple days after.

I'd also hope they would at some point let us play as the Sanada attacking the Uesugi while under the Tokugawa before Mitsunari recruited the Sanada to his side which then led to Masayuki's visit at Numata and Hidetada's attack on Ueda. I think having the Sanada have at least one full battle while under the Tokugawa would be nice to see, that way both Yukimura and Nobuyuki could have strong ties to both sides making their split all the more painful. It'd also give Yukimura a chance to feel out Ieyasu as he'd have some firsthand experience serving under him. Plus more Yukimura vs Kanetsugu is never a bad thing.
Edited by bluefiend, Mon Aug 8, 2016 12:19 am.
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I'll like to see Sasuke Sarutobi. I mean, this is the Sanada game, add some brave please KOEI.
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Sun Aug 7, 2016 7:49 pm
But Odawara is not a what-if, the only thing really out of place there is Ujiyasu.

They had to use a dead man,a girl-of-one-accomplishment-and-it-wasn't-there and a sideliner as a main force,thus somewhat what-if (and,yeah,i was mostly talking about Hojo side).
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Mon Aug 8, 2016 1:23 pm
I'll like to see Sasuke Sarutobi. I mean, this is the Sanada game, add some brave please KOEI.

Kunoichi is the representation of the Sanada Ten Braves, there is no reason for any of them to be included.

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Mon Aug 8, 2016 2:24 pm
Makörin
Sun Aug 7, 2016 7:49 pm
But Odawara is not a what-if, the only thing really out of place there is Ujiyasu.

They had to use a dead man,a girl-of-one-accomplishment-and-it-wasn't-there and a sideliner as a main force,thus somewhat what-if (and,yeah,i was mostly talking about Hojo side).

Lady Hayakawa is in the same situation as most other females in the series, if she wasn't there, half of the female cast wouldn't even be playable because of not being in fights. Also, Kai is as much a warrior of the Hōjō as any other, I don't see what makes her or anything besides Ujiyasu a what-if.
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Aside from Ujimasa (and Kagetora, though he's more Uesugi than Hojo), what other potential adds are there for the Hojo? I can only think of Hojo Tsunashige, maybe some of Ujimasa's brothers (though they aren't particularly important) and perhaps Ujinao, though he's kind of redundant.
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Sun Aug 7, 2016 1:00 am
Manjiimortal
Sat Aug 6, 2016 3:48 pm
wodash
Sat Aug 6, 2016 1:45 am
^One new playable character, one NPC, just like Eiketsuden? i can totally see that happening, sadly
I don't see that happening here, as in opposite to Eiketsuden Koei's actually putting effort in the game. Eiketsuden was their laziest game ever (and man, did I made fun of it!) but that's not the case for Sanada Maru.
I actually kinda disagree with you in some ways. It is true that Eiketsuden was lazy in terms of them reusing assets, but I think it took some effort to realize a completely new gameplay system with totally different mechanics from their usual productions. By contrast, I don't think Sanada Maru will mix up the gameplay much at all. It might add new content in terms of characters and story, but from my perspective that's more like adding a new coat of paint than redesigning the building.
You"re definitely right.
However, it still seems to be a way bigger project than SW4-II, which actually didn't add anything aside from one character.
In this new game, they are at least trying some new features, especially with the "open world" part.
Eiketsuden was just a fun project they wanted to try, to give something DW fans could talk about while waiting for 9, so of course they didn't put that much effort in it, but at least they tried new things, not like in DW8 for example.
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Mon Aug 8, 2016 4:16 pm
Aside from Ujimasa (and Kagetora, though he's more Uesugi than Hojo), what other potential adds are there for the Hojo? I can only think of Hojo Tsunashige, maybe some of Ujimasa's brothers (though they aren't particularly important) and perhaps Ujinao, though he's kind of redundant.
The only Hojo characters worth adding left (aside from Kagetora) are Ujimasa, Tsunashige and MAYBE Masashige Daidoji and Nagachika Narita. And Nagachika is a one note. Cole one note, maybe, but still.
Edited by AntonKutovoi, Mon Aug 8, 2016 5:08 pm.
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Wasn't Ujinao married to someone from Tokugawa or Toyotomi? Maybe his wife could work as a connection between both sides.
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Mon Aug 8, 2016 6:17 pm
Wasn't Ujinao married to someone from Tokugawa or Toyotomi? Maybe his wife could work as a connection between both sides.
He was married to Tokuhime, Ieyasu's second daughter in order to settle the Tensho-Jingo conflict.
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I found Kai's father rather charming in WO3, and Koei could work something out with him if they wanted, but I don't mind Kai being the Narita to Hojo rep. It works out well enough for everyone. Other than that, I think the Hojo is pretty good where they're at, eventually they're going to add Ujimasa-technically he could have been a better add in SW4, but I see where they were going in Lady Hayakawa's addition (since Motonari got his son, they figured Ujiyasu could get a daughter in to counterbalance)
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Mon Aug 8, 2016 3:34 pm
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Mon Aug 8, 2016 1:23 pm
I'll like to see Sasuke Sarutobi. I mean, this is the Sanada game, add some brave please KOEI.
Kunoichi is the representation of the Sanada Ten Braves, there is no reason for any of them to be included.
You have a solid point. However, I, too, want Sasuke as well. It's not because of part of Sanada Clan, it will be interesting to have communication with Kunoichi, Nobuyuki, Masayuki, and Inahime. Furthermore, because of we have lack of Ninjas since Third installment, it will might nice to increase, along with other potential ninjas like Danzo Kato and Chiyome.
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They could add Daidoji Masashige, the Hojo's chief retainer.

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I think an argument could made for Ujiteru or Ujikuni.

It really depends on how much they want to keep the focus on Ujiyasu. If we stick with the Ujiyasu-centric Hojo, then Tsunashige is the most valuable add available. If we want to see more of the successors like Hayakawa and Kai, then I think Ujimasa or Ujikuni is much more needed.
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Mon Aug 8, 2016 6:17 pm
Wasn't Ujinao married to someone from Tokugawa or Toyotomi? Maybe his wife could work as a connection between both sides.
On that note, Katsuyori's wife whom was the eldest of the Hojo siblings could be a fun choice as well, especially since she willingly chose to be so loyal to Katsuyori even when things got bad(This would make Otate no ran and Tenmokuzan into some really ugly affairs). >:D

But I agree with Katatonia, I feel like the Hojo(and Uesugi) are in a good place right now. I actually wouldn't mind if they didn't get anybody next game and their additions went to the other clans that need it more. Or the Takeda as Shingen + Masayuki + two more = 4 which is the same as the Uesugi and Hojo.
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We need another Yuki-related add, Shingen-era add, Uesugi "evil" add, and Hojo "evil" add who live on to Osaka.
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If there's another female..well Matsu would be good as well. Matsu is like the "uniting bridge" between Chacha & Nene without her they probably hates each other.

I personally thought it's better if Chacha & Nene to not have a good relationship.
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