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| Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada | |
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| Zai Tong | Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:52 pm Post #726 |
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Semi unique his design and kagetora cannot be replicated their outfits cannot be replicated only thing they are missing is a weapon that cannot be replicated The caw designs in Empires were mostly just half effort That's just two games after that sw2 XL they started hinting at he wasn't a big a fool as some thought they had even shingen say it Edited by Zai Tong, Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:56 pm.
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| Katatonia | Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:45 pm Post #727 |
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Hideyori and Hidetada are 100% UNPC like Aya and Masanori in SW3. They could have at least made them Free Mode. The CAW's in Empires, save for a small few were gross, uninspired and lazy. The designs for Matsu (Toshiie's) and Hiroko especially |
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| AntonKutovoi | Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:06 pm Post #728 |
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The ones I consider full UNPCs are Kagetora (well, obviously), Hidetada, Hideyori and Dosan. There's also semi-unique characters, like Katsuyori, Tazu, Yoshiaki Mogami, etc. And there's a CAW UNPCs. |
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| UpInMahBubble | Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:52 pm Post #729 |
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Okuni dancing through the Sanada legacy, taking Yukimura to Izumo with her after the final charge ![]() Ujizane was also UNPC in SW4 too. And I think Harutaka Sue had a unique model in vanilla 4 before they added his parts in Empires. I'm sure the main "unique" ones were who were covered in the databook |
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| Makörë | Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:21 pm Post #730 |
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Tazu is a CAW. |
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| Last_Stallion | Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:27 am Post #731 |
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Kagetora and Harukata are definitely not fully unique NPCs considering they're both wearing the same outfit, which is also worn by a bunch of other generic NPCs. I don't believe Dosan is wearing a unique outfit either. Edited by Last_Stallion, Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:33 am.
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| Makörë | Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:22 am Post #732 |
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Nobody dresses like Kagetora and Dōsan. |
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| Zai Tong | Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:05 am Post #733 |
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They have outfits that look similar to kagetoras but they are not the same heck look at Masayuki I love his outfit despite his whole attire and weapon being a combo of the CAW battle armor Naomasa li and Toyohisa
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| Last_Stallion | Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:17 am Post #734 |
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Terumoto Mori, Munekatsu Nomi, Kagetsuna Naoe and a couple other Uesugi and Takeda officers (I think Nobufusa Baba does too) wear the same outfit as Kagetora and Harukata. Kagetora does have the Uesugi emblem emblem on his back that isn't present on the others though. However, this is based on SW4 designs, I can't remember if Kagetora had an updated design in 4E or 4-II, but I do know that Harukata didn't in 4E. |
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| Incorrigible King | Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:00 am Post #735 |
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If anything, Hidetada has a better chance of showing up than Hideyori does. Hm? What about historical accuracy and Hidetada’s only really being in two battles? Well historically Ina was a baby during the Battle of Mikatagahara and Nobuyuki and Yukimura were likewise too young to have participated. So historical accuracy can easily be thrown out the window and have Hidetada make his debut at Mikatagahara, fostering his hatred for the Sanada as the anime put on him. He would then be at the first and second Battle of Ueda as well as Osaka and other campaigns as well that have Tokugawa influence. So I easily see Hidetada coming along in SW5 with a full-on unique moveset. Hideyori is the iffy one. I think he’ll simply remain as a UNPC unless they decide to do the Yoshimoto treatment and devote an entire moveset for a character being in just one battle. But who knows? On the matter of Chacha, I wonder when exactly she’ll actually make her appearance in the |
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| bluefiend | Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:10 am Post #736 |
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While it's true Hidetada is a better choice than Hideyori, he's only slightly better, as the only thing he has over Hideyori is Ueda in 1600. As for Ina being at Mikatagahara well one she's a woman, the metrics for getting women into the games is different from men, and two although nobuyuki and Yukimura didn't fight at Mikatagahara they had at least been born by then... That said your totally right about historical accuracy being able to be thrown out of the window. But even so I'd rather we just get Hidetada's wife and Chacha's sister Oeyo. Why bother with Hidetada who has a limited number of battles relationships and connections when we could get Oeyo who while still having a limited number of battles at least has a boatload of strong connections(Nene, Chacha, Ieyasu, Nagamasa, Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, Matsu, Katsuie, Munenori, Ina etc.) to help make her more interesting/give her more to do. Actually come to think of it, does anyone actually think the Tokugawa side of Osaka is going to get anyone? We've already got two needs adds for the Sanada/Toyotomi side of things, think they'll get any new opposition? |
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| UpInMahBubble | Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:25 am Post #737 |
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Kagetora, Ujizane and a few others were UNPCs in vanilla 4 because they had unique faces, not sharing the same 4 or 5 that the rest of them do. Tokugawa side of Osaka already has a lot of characters, please no more for this game especially if they make a "complete every story battle with every selectable character" trophy ![]() So Yukimura, Kunoichi, Kai, Chacha, Koshosho and Kotaro for Toyotomi side Osaka now? Wouldn't mind a couple more Edited by UpInMahBubble, Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:28 am.
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| AntonKutovoi | Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:38 am Post #738 |
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Maybe they'll follow the anime and add Keiji there. They also COULD put Kiyomasa and Masanori, but I don't really see the need of it.
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| UpInMahBubble | Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:45 am Post #739 |
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Oh just checked the databook there. I was right about Harutaka Sue being UNPC-ish in vanilla 4. Him and the rest have the same outfits as generics, but their face, hair & helmets are all unique. 4:E added most of them in as CAW parts though. Keiji at Osaka would be pretty great, I feel like he doesn't really get enough love these days. And maybe they could put those two kids in, and bring Nene into the mix like in SW3. Better than just disappearing halfway through the story I suppose |
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| Rance | Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:56 am Post #740 |
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I think Hidetada is a worthwhile addition personally. He has an obviously important role in a large number of battles, especially the second siege of Ueda. I see it likely that he would end up being a joke or joke-y character too, which I am personally fond of. I personally believe he is a much better choice than Hideyori. IN terms of Tokugawa adds for Osaka, it's hard to say other than Hidetada. I remember there was one badass on the Tokugawa side who killed like 50+ people, but I forget his name. Ii Naotaka and the Hachisuke and Maeda were fairly significant in the siege, but probably too unimportant overall to bother adding to the series. I think it's more important to expound upon the defender side. |
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| bluefiend | Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:28 am Post #741 |
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Wow, talk about putting things in perspective. I knew the Tokugawa side had more characters but I never thought all that hard about it; nor did I realize they had that many more people. Yukimura(and now Chacha) are the only two people that are actually supposed to be on the Toyotomi side. Yeah, we definitely need some more Osaka defenders. Morichika for Sanada-maru! @Rance: If we're talking Tokugawa specifically yeah, I guess Hidetada(or maybe his wife?) would be the best choices. But if we're talking general opposition at Osaka Yoshinobu Satake could be a good choice too? his forces were a pretty major figure at Osaka I think. Plus it'd give Date an enemy for future games; two birds one stone. Edited by bluefiend, Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:46 am.
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| Manjiimortal | Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:00 pm Post #742 |
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I'd prefer Yoshishige rather than Yoshinobu, they'd just have to prolong Yoshishige's life to Osaka (it's just 2 or 3 years anyway) and so you can have him team-up with Masamune after fighting him for so long. |
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| Ryō Genken | Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:27 pm Post #743 |
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Just realize. Would Masamune get aged version, when he'll faces Yukimura at Osaka, though? Theoretically they could just insert his kid version too.. |
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| Last_Stallion | Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:51 pm Post #744 |
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I'm fine with Yoshinobu being added but I'd much rather have Yoshishige added and receive a tiny life extension. |
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| Makörë | Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:33 pm Post #745 |
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Hidetada is only slightly less useless than Hideyori. Instead of being limited to one battle, he is limited to two, and his position is always covered by someone. They could add anyone else that appeared before Ueda as well and be better. A good example? Otsu Ōno, she served Hideyoshi (Nobunaga too, I think?) and then became a concubine to Nobuyuki, and is connected to a lot of people. |
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| Incorrigible King | Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:42 pm Post #746 |
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The Battle of Mikatagahara was in 1573 and Yukimura was born in 1567, meaning that Yukimura was only six years old. His older brother was born in 1566, making him only one year older at seven. So while they are older than Ina, they are likewise too young to have participated at Mikatagahara. Regardless of gender, I hold the three them in the same light. Hidetada could participate in the Battle of Mikatagahara, The Battle of Nagashino, The First Battle of Ueda, Komaki-Nagakute, Conquest of Odawara, the Second Battle of Ueda, and the Osaka Campaign, and who knows how many other battles they might stuff him in. His connections would be Ina (possibly fostering a crush on her until she’s married to Nobuyuki), Nobuyuki (brother-in-law since Ina was adopted by Ieyasu), Yukimura (self-professed rival), Munenori (advisor), Ieyasu (obvious) with a possible rivalry with the Uesugi as the conducted operations against them. I won’t lie and say that Oeyo wouldn’t be a better add by sheer connections alone. However, Hidetada’s character is more or less established thanks to the anime and would be much easier to transition whereas they would have to work with Oeyo from scratch. Personally I would love if all three of Oichi's daughters made the cut. Would add some drama at Osaka where Chacha is forced to fight both Oeyo and Ohatsu; so brutal! |
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| Fūma | Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:54 pm Post #747 |
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KT should just ask Capcom's permission to use Sanada-den's Bontenmaru to save time lol. Or bring back their own kid Masamune from SW1. Though as I've said before there's really no place for a child Masamune to appear here because we likely won't see Masamune until Odawara campaign where Masamune is already 23. Old Masamune would be pretty cool to see though, he was almost 50 during Osaka campaign after all. |
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| bluefiend | Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:34 pm Post #748 |
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Yoshihige is a better overall add true, but for a game that's focused primarily on Osaka and Sekigahara/Ueda(The Satake actually sent 300 troops to the Tokugawa side at the 2nd siege of Ueda) makes this Yoshinobu's best chance to get in. Yoshihige on the other hand can easily justify being added to a mainline title. So why not throw in Yoshinobu here where he'd be useful, then add his dad in SW5. That way the Satake would also already have a nicely built up force and be capable of fighting/allying with the Hojo/Uesugi/Takeda and the Date later on as well. Would be a nice way to get the Satake in without having them take up too many spots in character addition spots in any one game. |
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| Ryō Genken | Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:40 pm Post #749 |
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Yeah..i don't think Kid Masamune happens. But with the inclusion of age system they could work it out..i honestly expect that his twin bokken will return..but who knows, if we'll be getting a slingshot & bokken instead.
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| bluefiend | Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:50 pm Post #750 |
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eh, idk, that seems like a bit of a slippery slope, if we can just add Hidetada in to fight in battles before he was even born then we could just do it for literally anybody. I'd be fine with that for some characters like say Morichika as the Chosokabe doesn't have too many options and he can simply ape brother's achievements. But the Tokugawa has a plethora of characters already and also has a number of other good additons remaining, it'd be kind of weak to essentially get a totally fictional character in place of any of them. That said your also right about Hidetada being easier because he already has a character but.... I don't like him so... OMG YES! I would totally love to have all 3 of the Azai sisters in the game! there is so much potential drama there! Komaki, Otsu castle, Shizugatake, Yamazaki, and Osaka would all benefit from having all 3. Also, even better than Chacha fighting Oeyo and Ohatsu at Osaka is that they could easily put Ohatsu into a position where she has to choose between the Toyotomi and Tokugawa sides(she was basically a neutral negotiator during the Siege of Osaka, shuffling back and forth between the two sides), they could even make the info Ohatsu ends up having on both sides be the deciding factor in which side wins. |
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