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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
Topic Started: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:15 pm (168,867 Views)
Raiko Z
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Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:40 pm
But with the inclusion of age system they could work it out..
They could. But they most likely wouldn't.

C'mon, it's Koei.
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Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:05 am
@wodash: with his mouth silly, he'd call it the dragon's bad breath attack :hehe:
i would totally see that, especially if he's capable of rapid firing it while spinning 360* :rolleyes:
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Sukemasa has a lot going for him. A lifelong Hojo enemy(his service under them was rather inactive: as soon as he got a chance he jumped ship when Kenshin led his Kanto invasion; although, he did serve as a liaison of sorts for the Hojo with the Date) he also had contact with Nobunaga and was the one to inform him of Kenshin's death in 1578. He has relations with both the original Uesugi clans and Kenshin's clan, the Hojo, the Satake, and also the Narita as he was Narita Ujinaga's father-in-law, thus making him Kaihime's grandfather.

His escape from the Hojo to enter the Satake lands was also quite interesting; after he separated from the Hojo to help the Satomi fight them in the 2nd Battle of Konodai, his son Ujisuke betrayed him to the Hojo and barred Sukemasa from his home of Iwatsuki Castle, while also confining his other son Kajiwara Masakage and Sukemasa's wife within. Sukemasa's escape was supported by the Narita, with him sneaking into the Utsunomiya territory and joining the Satake, whom gave him Katano Castle as a base. Sukemasa then led men to link up with his son Masakage whom had escaped Iwatsuki with the assistance of some still-loyal soldiers, along with rescuing Sukemasa's wife and escaping with her as well(There is also a different account where Masakage had actually escaped earlier and joined his father in fleeing to the Satake, and in the process he and some retainers went to rescue his mother who was being taken to Odawara to be a hostage.) The family then fled further north and met up with Satake retainer Makabe Ujimoto, a renowned swordmaster, who escorted them the rest of the way. Sukemasa fought alongside Makabe in service to the Satake.

And finally, Sukemasa lived to see the Hojo die; not even a year after the Hojo clan was wiped out, Sukemasa also died to illness.

Of course, almost none of this is relevant to Sanadamaru, lol

Edit: edited for some translation fixes
Edited by SRS, Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:08 am.
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Manjiimortal
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Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:30 am
Only problem with Ota Sukemasa is that he covers the same territory as Yoshihige; Yoshinobu at the very least gives us something different with Sekigahara and Osaka.

Plus the thing is, we're still talking Sanada-Maru here and Yoshihige really doesn't offer Sanada-Maru as much as Yoshinobu. If this were SW5 I'd be fully behind you though.

That said, Ota Sukemasa looks like he'd make for a really fun choice. I also love it when people fight under a force then later on decide that they'd rather fight against them and put up a die hard resistance against them like he does with the hojo. It really makes things personal and causes their opposition to whomever they are fighting make more sense as they have first hand experience with that clan and so can tell us exactly why they don't like the idea of their former lords taking over(like Mitsuhide always gets to do with Nobunaga).

Ota Sukemasa is also someone I could definitely support as a main game addition, but unfortunately, he has little place in Sanada-Maru. But really I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the Satake in this case.

Also forgot to mention for what it's worth, Yoshihige was married to one of Terumune Date's sisters, and Yoshinobu was their son making him and Masamune cousins and Yoshihige his uncle-in-law(Yoshiaki Mogami isn't the only one with familial relations!).
Yeah, at a certain point I started deviating more into general SW adds rather than specific Sanada Maru ones. But regardless I'll be surprised if they put Tokugawa adds in this game, as the whole thing feels more like the paradise for Osaka defenders.

But yeah, as far as general Satake adds go for me it's Yoshishige and Sukemasa, Yoshinobu is interesting in his own right but the other two make for better adds I think.
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if we do get a young Masamune, he should use his bokken swords and eye blasts.

either that, or his SW1 moveset goes to his wife.
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@Manjiiimortal: Yep. In fact I can't say it enough. Yep, Yap, Yup, Yop, Yep.

With the knowledge you and SRS just threw down, Ota Sukemasa is looking like one of the series best potential additions, or at least like he'd be one of the most fun in terms of what he can bring. I really love the whole bit about him rescuing/meeting up with his family members throughout his escape. If SW still had solo stories that'd easily be one of the most fun and exciting parts to go through(hell, you could make that into his whole story!). I also like that he just so happens to be related to Kai, made all the more exciting by the fact that the Narita helped him escape from the Hojo which would more than likely mean that in-game Kai would help him escape which she would have to betray the Hojo at least temporarily in order to do.

All that said, I too would be surprised if we got any Tokugawa adds in this game, looking at it, it seems most of the Osaka defenders aren't worth much outside of Osaka, so maybe it'd actually be best if they added the weaker Osaka defenders to the series now then saved the better ones for later as they could more easily justify being added into a main series title?
Edited by bluefiend, Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:14 pm.
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Ryō Genken
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I really do have a trouble with Osaka defenders..like their only shine is well Osaka..just like Yukimura. I think another characters from Tokugawa will be great too..
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after Chacha coming Hatsu and gou also im sure! The 3 cute hot little Azai sisters in SW style :ph43r:
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I know it's pre-Osaka and more part of the Sekigahara fiasco, but does anyone think that Mototada Torii seems like a viable add? Though the Tokugawa got like 5 new adds, I don't think they need more now, but this guy couldn't hurt
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Not for this game, that's for sure. I mean, yes, he was one of the commanders at the first siege of Ueda, but that role obviously will be given to Ieyasu, while the rest of his biography matters way to little for the Sanada-centered game.
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Who knows...they can be surprising here. Adding Mototada would be great for the Tokugawa clan. But the only thing sets him back is that this is not Tokugawa-Den. He's best for it there.
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I really don't see them adding any Tokugawa guys (and I really don't want them to, they are all a boring bunch), BUT Mototada could work as a way to give some spotlight to Mori Katsunaga if they add him (Katsunaga was part of the force that besieged Fushimi Castle and helped bringing it down), thus further developing the Sekigahara Campaign, though again this doesn't exactly work in a Sanada-centric game unless they also take the time to display other Osaka defenders before Osaka itself (this can work for Katsunaga, but also Goto Matabei whom was involved in Sekigahara, and Chosokabe Morichika).
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I've completely changed my opinion of Torii Mototada and would love him to get added, equipment him with a massive shield that he can throw like Cap'n America and he'll be sick. However Tokugawa additions will do better in a main title game I think, they'll get more exploration thar way.
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Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:43 pm
I've completely changed my opinion of Torii Mototada and would love him to get added, equipment him with a massive shield that he can throw like Cap'n America and he'll be sick. However Tokugawa additions will do better in a main title game I think, they'll get more exploration thar way.
Exactly he is better for main series..or if they can..Tokugawa-den.

Speaking of Tokugawa, i think Ieyasu should received age system too when he is adolescent, adult, and elder(current form).
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I don't see much point in a Tokugawa side game as the main games are... well, basically the story of the Tokugawa's rise to power. All it'd do is eschew everything going on in western Japan, really.
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Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:43 pm
I've completely changed my opinion of Torii Mototada and would love him to get added, equipment him with a massive shield that he can throw like Cap'n America and he'll be sick. However Tokugawa additions will do better in a main title game I think, they'll get more exploration thar way.
The best Tokugawa add is Honda Masanobu, whom hopefully might inject some character on that faction. The single most boring clan in the game.
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Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:43 pm
I've completely changed my opinion of Torii Mototada and would love him to get added, equipment him with a massive shield that he can throw like Cap'n America and he'll be sick. However Tokugawa additions will do better in a main title game I think, they'll get more exploration thar way.
The best Tokugawa add is Honda Masanobu, whom hopefully might inject some character on that faction. The single most boring clan in the game.
Hey, my husbando Ii Naomasa is awesome, and Honda is pretty badass too.
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Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:32 pm
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Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:43 pm
I've completely changed my opinion of Torii Mototada and would love him to get added, equipment him with a massive shield that he can throw like Cap'n America and he'll be sick. However Tokugawa additions will do better in a main title game I think, they'll get more exploration thar way.
The best Tokugawa add is Honda Masanobu, whom hopefully might inject some character on that faction. The single most boring clan in the game.
Hey, my husbando Ii Naomasa is awesome, and Honda is pretty badass too.
They're both bricks. And uninteresting bricks at that.
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Ina, Naotora, and Tadakatsu are all interesting characters, and Ieyasu is okay. Hanzo and Naomasa are... admittedly quite boring.
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Most boring goes to the two Date guys tbh, half the time I forget they're there :mellow:
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Tokugawa has too many badass srs bsns warriors. It's rather telling when Ieyasu himself is the least stick-up-the-bum of the bunch. Well, I guess there's Naotora too but she's minor in comparison.
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Actually I think SW4 Ina and Naotora are okay. Ina's temper is fun to see, it just needs to be more prominent. Naotora for as much as I dislike her primary trait still manages to elicit some kind of emotional response from me. Hanzo, Naomasa, Ieyasu, and Tadakatsu are all as dull as dirt though.

Hanzo had a couple of pretty nice sarcastic lines in SW1, I wouldn't mind if they brought that back and made it more prominent for him(or maybe it only worked because Kunoichi was so easy for other characters to bounce off of idk) but either way Hanzo could pull off being a sarcastic ninja pretty easily I'd think, maybe not so much with his allies, but I could definitely see him mocking his enemies a lot like he did to Kunoichi in SW1.

Did Hanzo have any good personality traits in SW2 they could pull from? All I remember in that game was Kotaro beating him down in every stage and Hanzo trying to protect Ieyasu.
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Hanzo blamed himself for everything that happened at Mikatagahara in SWC3. IIRC, he says that if he had protected Yoshimoto Imagawa better, Ieyasu wouldn't have to push himself so hard. He also regrets having killed Ieyasu's son. It's a side of him not often explored, but he's a sad ninja filled with regrets. It would be nice to see this shown more
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Hanzō makes sense to not have a personality, he hides it, to show himself as a cold assassin. Regarding the rest, the only ones who have personality are the Ii, and theirs are garbage.
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Did Hanzo have any good personality traits in SW2 they could pull from? All I remember in that game was Kotaro beating him down in every stage and Hanzo trying to protect Ieyasu.
Not SW2, but in SW2E Hanzo did have that thesaurus scene which was pretty funny. Other than his interactions with Kunoichi in SW1 that's the only time I've found him somewhat entertaining as a character.
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