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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
Topic Started: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:15 pm (168,853 Views)
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Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:20 am
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Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:48 pm
Well, Koei seems to acknowledge Megohime's popularity as she is a pre-order unlock character for the latest Nobunaga Ambition game. Gives me hope that we may actually get her in SW5 as this Sanada focused game wouldn't be the best time for her.

Have we seen any other characters ageing in this game or just Yukimura and Chacha?
I hope they don't, she's a waste of an add, specially when Yoshihime is so much better in every way, and how Masamune desperately needs an enemy to fight (Satake Yoshishige for the win).

I think the ageing system will be limited to the Sanada family plus Chacha, as I don't think Koei is willing to spend the time and resources needed to age up other characters.
She isn't a waste of an add. She's extremely popular and is Masamune's wife whom he had issues with, which is a nice contrast of the issues he has with his mother, but later reconciled. She was also an arranged marriage to him at a young age so if we ever see Masamune getting aging in SW5 than he'll need his mother, Yoshihime, and Megohime, his wife.

She was also a political prisoners held by Hideyoshi as a means to keep Masamune in check.
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Not like this is sengoku basara either
They could show masamune with a girl and not get crucified for it
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It would be interesting if the next SW installment had a what-if scenario with Masamune freeing Megohime from Hideyoshi's perverted grasp............throw in Kojuro because he's just great.
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Imo Koei can tactfully not age anyone else up other than the Sanada's and ChaCha if they're clever about it. The only one that'll be completely dumbfounded not to age up outside of the Sanada's is Ieyasu, surely he'll have at least two appearances or something is gonna seem a bit ****** up.
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I hope any aging for Kanetsugu involves him turning into a robot who shoots rocket fists of justice and love.
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I hope any aging for Kanetsugu involves him turning into a robot who shoots rocket fists of justice and love.
I'm all for this. Complete with a theme song
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Katakura Kita would be much better at all of those things than Megohime would.

As far as political prisoners go, Kita ended up being more valuable to Hideyoshi as there actually came a point wherein Masamune felt threatened by Hideyoshi having Kita when Hideyoshi started going on about how he wanted her. Kita would also be a better representative of how much Masamune is growing as unlike his actual mother Yoshihime, Kita was the one that raised him(and Kojuuro). It'd make much for sense for Kita to tell Masamune how much he's grown up than it would for Megohime whom is pretty much the same age as him.

The contrast in relationship is also much stronger with Kita as both Kita and Yoshihime were motherly figures for Masamune, yet one was a good motherly figure(Kita) and the other was a bad one(Yoshihime). One of the mothers whom initially had a bad relationship with Masamune eventually got back together(Yoshihime) after having tried to take everything away from him)including his life), meanwhile the one that had a good relationship with Masamune eventually broke their relationship(Kita) after trying to help him keep everything he had(during the Hideyoshi debacle).

Kita also happens to be the sister of Kojuuro and one of Masamune's other top 3 generals, Oninwa Tsunamoto.

That all said we should probably leave this discussion for the "who should be in the next sw game" thread. If you want to reply to this post, do it there.

As for Sanada-maru, with all the talk we've been having of Tokugawa adds, how would everyone feel if they ended up adding Chacha's sister Oeyo? She was first married to a Tokugawa retainer shortly before the Komaki campaign, then after the Komaki campaign Hideyoshi made her divorce her new husband, then some time later she married Hidetada Tokugawa. Meaning that if Koei wanted to they could pretty much give her the story Takatora had in Sw4 where he joined the Tokugawa about as early as Komaki-Nagakute, then stay with them until Osaka(I swear Oeyo is where they must of gotten the idea of Takatora's SW4 story).

This way they could throw both Chacha and Oeyo into 1st siege of Ueda where they would have to fight each other again(the first time having been Komaki). Or they could have her rejoin the Toyotomi and have her fight against her friends in the Tokugawa(since she was with the Oda for ten years they could have already established relationships).

Also what are they chances we get to see Komaki-Nagakute in this game? I mean the Sanada were vassals of the Tokugawa at that point in time, so I think it'd be nice to see them thrown in there. It would give them some extra time to spend with both the Toyotomi and Tokugawa and could be done without having them take the spotlight away from the Tokugawa and Toyotomi(basically just have the members of the sanada clan stand in awe of how awesome both Hideyoshi and Ieyasu are except for Masayuki who is too wise for that by this point). It could even have the advantage of being a great time to establish why Yukimura and Nobuyuki choose to follow Hideyoshi and Ieyasu respectively as they could both come to admire their respective leaders and in turn the other people that make up those clans(great time for Yukimura to get to know Chacha too!).
Edited by bluefiend, Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:07 am.
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@bluefiend I must admit I really liked both of your ideas for Sanada-maru: Oeyo fighting her sister and Komaki-Nagakute with Sanada brothers starting to split up. Unfortunately I think it's pretty unlikely.
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hopefully matabei goutou?
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I really hope they use this game to boost up Ina's character. She's been pretty rockbottom for a while now.
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I really hope they use this game to boost up Ina's character. She's been pretty rockbottom for a while now.
This! She's always been one of SW's more interesting characters, but ever since SW1 she's always been in such minor roles that it's become hard to see who she is, why she fights, or how she changes throughout the story. This would be a great chance to change that.

Who knows maybe they could even bring back her rivalry with Kunoichi from SW1; well actually that might be reaching too far, neither she nor Kunoichi are the same characters as they were back then. But even so, they can definitely do something with Ina. Seeing her basically be just a peripheral part of the Sanada conflict in SW4 was such a painful experience.

@Andien: Matabei Goto would be a great choice for this game! In truth he's pretty much required for the full Osaka experience anyway.

@Hozonov: Yeah, your probably right about it being unlikely, but I'd really love it if the Sanada's did show up at Komaki. I don't care to much about Oeyo immediately as I'm pretty confident she'll show up at some point now that Chacha is in, it might be here or it might be in SW6, but I can't see her being too far off now regardless.
Edited by bluefiend, Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:46 am.
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I was actually hoping that Akihime/Haru and Ina would interact more on Sanadamaru since there was a scene in which Akihime was introduced to Ina. While they are often together at family gatherings they probably won't interact much anymore since the family will soon split.

It's sad since I remember that in Sanada Taiheiki Ina said that she feels very sorry for Yoshitsugu's daughter due to all that misfortune that happens to her.

Henceforth why I hoped that the drama would add scenes for them so that if Akihime would be added Ina could see her as a "younger sis" or something.
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Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:51 pm
I'm more interested in seeing how he will look at old age. He has white hair by default so think how old he will look with white beard/stubble, unless for some reason it'll be different color than his hair.
They must be planning something special for Nobuyuki if they avoided showing him AT ALL since the game's announcement. So far all the announcements are predictably for people destined to be on Yukimura's side of the conflict, but nothing at all had been said about Nobuyuki.

ED: okay looking at the initial scans I was wrong about them not showing Nobuyuki, but it's rather telling that they're avoiding talking about him.
Edited by Amakusa, Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:06 pm.
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they already shown Nobuyuki, it's just that there's nothing new about him yet, nothing that SW4 didn't already shown
Edited by wodash, Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:18 pm.
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Ina became almost as bland as Tadakatsu. I can't remember if they did something in SW4 with Numata's incident with Masayuki. I guess now they could do something interesting. If they make Nobuyuki older it will be a little strange not to do the same with Ina.
Now that I think about it, maybe they will change Nobuyuki's SW4 model the same way they did with Yukimura: one younger and one older than the one from SW4.
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they already shown Nobuyuki, it's just that there's nothing new about him yet, nothing that SW4 didn't already shown
I'm just expecting a teen and an older version of him, just like Yukimura :doge:
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they already shown Nobuyuki, it's just that there's nothing new about him yet, nothing that SW4 didn't already shown
I'm just expecting a teen and an older version of him, just like Yukimura :doge:
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This is the problem. It implies we won't have teen Nobuyuki..unless SW4 is his pre-Osaka and AFTER teen costume. THen we might see Yukimura' SW4 costume too..but it hasn't shown yet..or SW4 will just be his teen costume..which i won't like it because if Yukimura can have new one..why not NObuyuki? <_<
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they already shown Nobuyuki, it's just that there's nothing new about him yet, nothing that SW4 didn't already shown
I'm just expecting a teen and an older version of him, just like Yukimura :doge:
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This is the problem. It implies we won't have teen Nobuyuki..unless SW4 is his pre-Osaka and AFTER teen costume. THen we might see Yukimura' SW4 costume too..but it hasn't shown yet..or SW4 will just be his teen costume..which i won't like it because if Yukimura can have new one..why not NObuyuki? <_<
We saw teen Nibuyuki already, though. He is in the game. And since they didn't put him in the site yet, I guess they'll reveal him later along with other forms.
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they already shown Nobuyuki, it's just that there's nothing new about him yet, nothing that SW4 didn't already shown
I'm just expecting a teen and an older version of him, just like Yukimura :doge:
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This is the problem. It implies we won't have teen Nobuyuki..unless SW4 is his pre-Osaka and AFTER teen costume. THen we might see Yukimura' SW4 costume too..but it hasn't shown yet..or SW4 will just be his teen costume..which i won't like it because if Yukimura can have new one..why not NObuyuki? <_<
We saw teen Nibuyuki already, though. He is in the game. And since they didn't put him in the site yet, I guess they'll reveal him later along with other forms.
Huh i don't get it? What do you mean there's already one? They haven't put one in the website yet.
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Huh i don't get it? What do you mean there's already one? They haven't put one in the website yet.
I meant kid Nobuyuki, sorry if it caused any misunderstanding. We already saw him in the stream. But since he's not officially revealed yet, I guess it will happen later, alongside old Nobuyuki. As for the main design - he might retain his SW4 design. I'm not against it to be honest. Although it would be a little unfair, since Yukimura got a new design and a new attack.
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they already shown Nobuyuki, it's just that there's nothing new about him yet, nothing that SW4 didn't already shown
I'm just expecting a teen and an older version of him, just like Yukimura :doge:
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This is the problem. It implies we won't have teen Nobuyuki..unless SW4 is his pre-Osaka and AFTER teen costume. THen we might see Yukimura' SW4 costume too..but it hasn't shown yet..or SW4 will just be his teen costume..which i won't like it because if Yukimura can have new one..why not NObuyuki? <_<
There is one reason for them to leave a gap between the brothers :
One of them have been their poster boy for more than 10 years :p
Actually, imo, there is no need for so many different design.I think they went too far with Yukimura. Teen was not needed. And 3 different ages were enough.

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Now that m thinking about it idk about a older design for nobuyuki it doesn't seem like it would fit him with his current design

What would he have a goatee like Yukimura would his hair be different different outfit

Looking at him I can't really picture him like that

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I was actually hoping that Akihime/Haru and Ina would interact more on Sanadamaru since there was a scene in which Akihime was introduced to Ina. While they are often together at family gatherings they probably won't interact much anymore since the family will soon split.

It's sad since I remember that in Sanada Taiheiki Ina said that she feels very sorry for Yoshitsugu's daughter due to all that misfortune that happens to her.

Henceforth why I hoped that the drama would add scenes for them so that if Akihime would be added Ina could see her as a "younger sis" or something.
I actually hope akihime gets in this game as well, it'd help explain why yukimura joined the toyotomi during sekigaharaand osaka. Plus i can't imagine it'd hurt yoshitsugu either.
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Still want actual Sarutobi to come out. Call me delusional/weird but "Sasuke"'s backstory IS TOO Saizo to be called Sasuke. So many contradiction.
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Still want actual Sarutobi to come out. Call me delusional/weird but "Sasuke"'s backstory IS TOO Saizo to be called Sasuke. So many contradiction.
That's because Sasuke is an amalgamation of Sasuke and Saizo. He has Sasuke's name, popularity and wild child motive, but Saizo's good looks and connection with the Iga. That way they can have the best of both worlds.
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