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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
Topic Started: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:15 pm (168,852 Views)
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whoever gets picked as the unique character for the Osaka Defenders should be an amalgamation of all 4 then, if we're going with SW Sasuke logic :rolleyes:

tho i like "lower your expectations" more than "mix everyone into one person" :doge:
Edited by wodash, Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:06 am.
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Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:32 pm
Still want actual Sarutobi to come out. Call me delusional/weird but "Sasuke"'s backstory IS TOO Saizo to be called Sasuke. So many contradiction.
Sasuke did not exist.
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Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:32 pm
Still want actual Sarutobi to come out. Call me delusional/weird but "Sasuke"'s backstory IS TOO Saizo to be called Sasuke. So many contradiction.
That's because Sasuke is an amalgamation of Sasuke and Saizo. He has Sasuke's name, popularity and wild child motive, but Saizo's good looks and connection with the Iga. That way they can have the best of both worlds.
Uh I looked Saizo up sasuke looks like a girl child Saizo looks like a man with good looks
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wodash
Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:06 am
whoever gets picked as the unique character for the Osaka Defenders should be an amalgamation of all 4 then, if we're going with SW Sasuke logic :rolleyes:

tho i like "lower your expectations" more than "mix everyone into one person" :doge:
? But sw has been amalgating characters since day 1. Magoichi represents all the Magoichis. Yukimura is himself and masakage yamagata. I'm not sure who kanetsugu is but considering he was born in the 1560s he isn't just himself. Sw4 naotora had some naomasa in her too.
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Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:32 pm
Still want actual Sarutobi to come out. Call me delusional/weird but "Sasuke"'s backstory IS TOO Saizo to be called Sasuke. So many contradiction.
That's because Sasuke is an amalgamation of Sasuke and Saizo. He has Sasuke's name, popularity and wild child motive, but Saizo's good looks and connection with the Iga. That way they can have the best of both worlds.
Uh I looked Saizo up sasuke looks like a girl child Saizo looks like a man with good looks
In folklore Sasuke is a feral kid with wild imagery. Saizo is a good-looking, beautiful ninja boy. However this "Sasuke" has a part of his original backstory involving him being a lost/feral child. BUt his overall prettiness and raised in Iga clan ninja instead of Koga like original Sasuke folklore makes him looks like Saizo instead.

That is why some people here thought Koei combines Sasuke & Saizo into one instead of separate.

I personally felt it's not a good idea, because of the naming..has "Sasuke" been named Saizo, it would make more sense for his overall design & folktale. Like ok, he has Sasuke's background being a homeless kid, but Saizo didn't have his background too, so he can be a lost kid like Sasuke.
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Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:19 am
wodash
Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:06 am
whoever gets picked as the unique character for the Osaka Defenders should be an amalgamation of all 4 then, if we're going with SW Sasuke logic :rolleyes:

tho i like "lower your expectations" more than "mix everyone into one person" :doge:
? But sw has been amalgating characters since day 1. Magoichi represents all the Magoichis. Yukimura is himself and masakage yamagata. I'm not sure who kanetsugu is but considering he was born in the 1560s he isn't just himself. Sw4 naotora had some naomasa in her too.
I suspect Kanetsugu channels quite a bit of Usami Sadamitsu, especially considering how Koei portrays Sadamitsu in Nobunaga's Ambition.
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I just realized Masayuki carries his flag downwards when running.

GG this proud old man holds his family crest flag close to the the ground. Topkek.
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Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:04 am
Katakura Kita would be much better at all of those things than Megohime would.

As far as political prisoners go, Kita ended up being more valuable to Hideyoshi as there actually came a point wherein Masamune felt threatened by Hideyoshi having Kita when Hideyoshi started going on about how he wanted her. Kita would also be a better representative of how much Masamune is growing as unlike his actual mother Yoshihime, Kita was the one that raised him(and Kojuuro). It'd make much for sense for Kita to tell Masamune how much he's grown up than it would for Megohime whom is pretty much the same age as him.

The contrast in relationship is also much stronger with Kita as both Kita and Yoshihime were motherly figures for Masamune, yet one was a good motherly figure(Kita) and the other was a bad one(Yoshihime). One of the mothers whom initially had a bad relationship with Masamune eventually got back together(Yoshihime) after having tried to take everything away from him)including his life), meanwhile the one that had a good relationship with Masamune eventually broke their relationship(Kita) after trying to help him keep everything he had(during the Hideyoshi debacle).

Kita also happens to be the sister of Kojuuro and one of Masamune's other top 3 generals, Oninwa Tsunamoto.

That all said we should probably leave this discussion for the "who should be in the next sw game" thread. If you want to reply to this post, do it there.

As for Sanada-maru, with all the talk we've been having of Tokugawa adds, how would everyone feel if they ended up adding Chacha's sister Oeyo? She was first married to a Tokugawa retainer shortly before the Komaki campaign, then after the Komaki campaign Hideyoshi made her divorce her new husband, then some time later she married Hidetada Tokugawa. Meaning that if Koei wanted to they could pretty much give her the story Takatora had in Sw4 where he joined the Tokugawa about as early as Komaki-Nagakute, then stay with them until Osaka(I swear Oeyo is where they must of gotten the idea of Takatora's SW4 story).

This way they could throw both Chacha and Oeyo into 1st siege of Ueda where they would have to fight each other again(the first time having been Komaki). Or they could have her rejoin the Toyotomi and have her fight against her friends in the Tokugawa(since she was with the Oda for ten years they could have already established relationships).

Also what are they chances we get to see Komaki-Nagakute in this game? I mean the Sanada were vassals of the Tokugawa at that point in time, so I think it'd be nice to see them thrown in there. It would give them some extra time to spend with both the Toyotomi and Tokugawa and could be done without having them take the spotlight away from the Tokugawa and Toyotomi(basically just have the members of the sanada clan stand in awe of how awesome both Hideyoshi and Ieyasu are except for Masayuki who is too wise for that by this point). It could even have the advantage of being a great time to establish why Yukimura and Nobuyuki choose to follow Hideyoshi and Ieyasu respectively as they could both come to admire their respective leaders and in turn the other people that make up those clans(great time for Yukimura to get to know Chacha too!).
Disagree, she lacks the appeal of Megohime, her tragic relationship with Masamune that took awhile to improve, the political marriage at a young age to Madamune, the fact that she was specifically used as a political prisoners because she's Nadamune wife thus very important to the Date Clan and the fact that ates extremely popular.

She's even being used as a carrot on the stick pre-order bonus for that Nobunaga game as Koei knows that she's popular and is well-known.

It really isn't. Masamune never mistreated Kira like he did Megohime. The contrast is that Megohime was loyal yet was m7streafee while Yoshihime was disloyal yet always given passes by Masamune. That's a far greater contrast.

Megohime is simply far more valuable to the Clan as head wife and her family ties than Kita as well.
Edited by SazukeEX, Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:26 am.
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^ are you going to put Megohime in every post you make like till the end of series?
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Megohime is the Liao Hua of SW nao i guess
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Leggo my Mego

or something

I should start shilling for Yuan Shao's wife and Shikanosuke in all of my posts. also I think Nobuyuki needs a beard when he gets older. Kunoichi too.
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Leggo my Mego

or something
they should combine Megohime and Magoichi, Megoichi? SW needs more genderbenders

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I should start shilling for Yuan Shao's wife and Shikanosuke in all of my posts. also I think Nobuyuki needs a beard when he gets older. Kunoichi too.
don't forget Sasuke, by the time Osaka Summer hits, they better give that person a much more visible boobs
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Yoshihime and Yoshiaki are more important than Meghime since they can form a trolling duo to poop all over Masamune and his attempts to be an edgy Kool Kid
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SW Masamune already fails to do that regardless of those two characters :doge: , he blew his chances after SW2 onwards and WO ruined him :rolleyes:
Edited by wodash, Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:07 pm.
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Seeing that this is Sanada-Maru, the only hime we're likely to see is Akihime. Or Ina..does anyone still call her a princess? Kaihime? I don't think she's a princess either. Though I think it more translates to "my lady" even if "hime" is princess..

Anyway, you get my point :lianshi:
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Seeing that this is Sanada-Maru, the only hime we're likely to see is Akihime. Or Ina..does anyone still call her a princess? Kaihime? I don't think she's a princess either. Though I think it more translates to "my lady" even if "hime" is princess..

Anyway, you get my point :lianshi:
Hayakawa-dono is more "hime" than Kaihime though. And why wasn't Ina called Komatsuhime? That name gives a stronger impact.
Edited by hozonov, Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:52 pm.
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Ina is Inahime.

As for whether hime means princess or a more general "lady," my stance is that since samurai is a form of nobility, that yes hime is princess in most if not all situations.

There was also an instance a while back where my mother(who is Japanese) joked to me how if our family lived in the Sengoku era, she would be a princess.
Edited by SRS, Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:32 am.
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Seeing that this is Sanada-Maru, the only hime we're likely to see is Akihime. Or Ina..does anyone still call her a princess? Kaihime? I don't think she's a princess either. Though I think it more translates to "my lady" even if "hime" is princess..

Anyway, you get my point :lianshi:
Hayakawa-dono is more "hime" than Kaihime though. And why wasn't Ina called Komatsuhime? That name gives a stronger impact.
Well 'Komatushime' is her name as a wedded woman, but what the media wants to portray instead is Tadakatsu's daughter so they call her by the name she went by as such.

If the emphasis was more put on her being Nobuyuki's Wife then there's no doubt she'd be called Komatsu.

Similarly so how we know of Naotora as 'Naotora' than whatever her maiden name was because that's the name she went by as the head of the Ii family, and as such is how she's portrayed in the media.

Anyway.

Koei Tecmo has yet to seriously play with the name progression thing (they skirt around with Hideyoshi with Hashiba and Toyotomi most prominently), so if one day they made allowances for it that would be interesting. The way they did it with Saburo was kind of weird.
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plus it's not until recently that Nobuyuki became relevant to the game anyways, so they started with Ina and stuck with it even after Nobuyuki was added to the main characters

the only time Hashiba was prominent was during the SW1~XL games, afterwards it;s just weird seeing Hideyoshi Hashiba/Oda era Hideyoshi but wearing a Toyotomi killer helmet and crest :wacko:

they should've at least have costume progressions by SW3 onwards IMO.

Edited by wodash, Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:34 pm.
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Costume progression would be so easy too, just let characters switch between outfits they've had throughout the series during story mode.
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The way they did it with Saburo was kind of weird.
Huh? How so? He changed the name when he should've. Don't see any problem with that.


EDIT: I browsed trough Koei's TGS merchendise and found this:
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I guess Nobuyuki's announcement is coming on TGS, otherwise I don't see why would they put him on promotion materials.
Edited by AntonKutovoi, Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:52 pm.
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A new pv trailer. Who's that guy with Masayuki at 33 seconds? All in all, a decent video
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Seems like one of the CAW made NPCs from SW4E. Nobushige Takeda uses that helmet, maybe its a young version of him?
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EDIT: Also, Sasuke's voice seems quite low pitched despite his girly looks. Nobuyuki doesn't get a new appearence alongside teen Yukimura, I guess it kinda makes sense since he is the older brother, but I really hope that he gets an aged version to match bearded Yukimura.
Edited by Makörë, Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:25 am.
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A new pv trailer. Who's that guy with Masayuki at 33 seconds? All in all, a decent video
Pretty sure it's just Shingen ... could be wrong though :P
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Man, Kunoichi and Yukiumara's relationship is just creepy now, at 0:51, Yukimura is still a child, but Kunoichi is the same age as always, so if they keep the love thing going with Kunoichi, it will be really weird. Overall, game still looks very solid.
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