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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
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Samurai Warriors Xelfie Legends confirmed.
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I wonder how this game is going to handle the amount of stages.

The Sanada are a pretty small fish in the grand scheme of things and no amount of Sanada focus can really change that. They aren't a main clan and thus miss out on a lot.
In the Hideyoshi arc for instance the only thing of note that they do is fight Ieyasu once and provide reinforcement for Odawara. Against Nobunaga the Sanada are only present on one front which are generally one two battles, Nagashino and Miketahara. The Sanada don't unify the country, don't take Japan by storm and are absent in most mayor events before Sekigahara. That makes a lot of stages just disappear in a game all about them.
Edited by Kuroda Kanbei, Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:36 pm.
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well, at least it's going to be a lot more than Yukiden since it looks like SanadaMaru does not omit the Takeda chapters, Yukiden didn't even have Mikatagahara due to starting the story post-Nagashino right after the kiddie flashbacks
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I wonder how this game is going to handle the amount of stages.

The Sanada are a pretty small fish in the grand scheme of things and no amount of Sanada focus can really change that. They aren't a main clan and thus miss out on a lot.
In the Hideyoshi arc for instance the only thing of note that they do is fight Ieyasu once and provide reinforcement for Odawara. Against Nobunaga the Sanada are only present on one front which are generally one two battles, Nagashino and Miketahara. The Sanada don't unify the country, don't take Japan by storm and are absent in most mayor events before Sekigahara. That makes a lot of stages just disappear in a game all about them.
Game starts with Shingen era, at Kawanakajima, and the entire Takeda campaigns are here. And battles themselves now also separated on the few different battles and missions. And you're also forgetting the whole post-Takeda period, in which Sanada fought against Hojo. And you're limiteing anti-Hojo campaing solely to Odawara, which also wasn't the case. And we also know that Yukimura will go to Azuchi castle in the game, so I assume that escape from Azuchi castle from the drama will be in some way present here as well.

And Nobunaga's iron ships were present in the trailer, but I'm not sure what they are going to do with them.
Edited by AntonKutovoi, Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:55 pm.
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AntonKutovoi
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Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:35 pm
I wonder how this game is going to handle the amount of stages.

The Sanada are a pretty small fish in the grand scheme of things and no amount of Sanada focus can really change that. They aren't a main clan and thus miss out on a lot.
In the Hideyoshi arc for instance the only thing of note that they do is fight Ieyasu once and provide reinforcement for Odawara. Against Nobunaga the Sanada are only present on one front which are generally one two battles, Nagashino and Miketahara. The Sanada don't unify the country, don't take Japan by storm and are absent in most mayor events before Sekigahara. That makes a lot of stages just disappear in a game all about them.
Game starts with Shingen era, at Kawanakajima, and the entire Takeda campaigns are here. And battles themselves now also separated on the few different battles and missions. And you're also forgetting the whole post-Takeda period, in which Sanada fought against Hojo. And you're limiteing anti-Hojo campaing solely to Odawara, which also wasn't the case. And we also know that Yukimura will go to Azuchi castle in the game, so I assume that escape from Azuchi castle from the drama will be in some way present here as well.

And Nobunaga's iron ships were present in the trailer, but I'm not sure what they are going to do with them.


Of course I limit the Odawara campaign to just Odawara. The games tend to do that as well, though to be fair there's also Oshi castle which is there sometimes as well. But Oshi is clearly the little conflict with those two, presumably tacked on because the Toyotomi commander is so popular.

The Takeda stuff might be promising but it might also be another confirmation how consumed by their vassel the Takeda really are. Could be great, could be grating.

The Sanada vs Hojo kinda seems like reaching for the bottom of the barrel. Its not mentioned a lot for a reason, because not a whole lot happened. Nothing there was a game changer to the overall state of the period. Those gamechangers were the fights of Hideyoshi and the Sanada miss out on pretty much all of those, the fight against Katsuie, the invasions of the island and in the fight against Ieyasu i'd say Komaki is a larger scale event that the siege of Ueda, though Ueda is certainly fully worth a stage.

It just seems that if you want a great number of stages with the Sanada that you have to focus on a lot of minor stuff. Their fights with the Hojo you mentioned seems a prime example of that minor stuff.
Edited by Kuroda Kanbei, Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:06 pm.
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Of course I limit the Odawara campaign to just Odawara. The games tend to do that as well, though to be fair there's also Oshi castle which is there sometimes as well. But Oshi is clearly the little conflict with those two, presumably tacked on because the Toyotomi commander is so popular.
And you're again forgetting that battles are now separated into different stages. So Odawara won't be a one-stage battle, but rather a number of skirmishes with Odawara at the end.
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I wonder how this game is going to handle the amount of stages.

The Sanada are a pretty small fish in the grand scheme of things and no amount of Sanada focus can really change that. They aren't a main clan and thus miss out on a lot.
In the Hideyoshi arc for instance the only thing of note that they do is fight Ieyasu once and provide reinforcement for Odawara. Against Nobunaga the Sanada are only present on one front which are generally one two battles, Nagashino and Miketahara. The Sanada don't unify the country, don't take Japan by storm and are absent in most mayor events before Sekigahara. That makes a lot of stages just disappear in a game all about them.
Game starts with Shingen era, at Kawanakajima, and the entire Takeda campaigns are here. And battles themselves now also separated on the few different battles and missions. And you're also forgetting the whole post-Takeda period, in which Sanada fought against Hojo. And you're limiteing anti-Hojo campaing solely to Odawara, which also wasn't the case. And we also know that Yukimura will go to Azuchi castle in the game, so I assume that escape from Azuchi castle from the drama will be in some way present here as well.

And Nobunaga's iron ships were present in the trailer, but I'm not sure what they are going to do with them.


Of course I limit the Odawara campaign to just Odawara. The games tend to do that as well, though to be fair there's also Oshi castle which is there sometimes as well. But Oshi is clearly the little conflict with those two, presumably tacked on because the Toyotomi commander is so popular.

The Takeda stuff might be promising but it might also be another confirmation how consumed by their vassel the Takeda really are. Could be great, could be grating.

The Sanada vs Hojo kinda seems like reaching for the bottom of the barrel. Its not mentioned a lot for a reason, because not a whole lot happened. Nothing there was a game changer to the overall state of the period. Those gamechangers were the fights of Hideyoshi and the Sanada miss out on pretty much all of those, the fight against Katsuie, the invasions of the island and in the fight against Ieyasu i'd say Komaki is a larger scale event that the siege of Ueda, though Ueda is certainly fully worth a stage.

It just seems that if you want a great number of stages with the Sanada that you have to focus on a lot of minor stuff. Their fights with the Hojo you mentioned seems a prime example of that minor stuff.
As was mentioned they do have the whole Takeda time under masayuki(which I continue to loathe). But I think they do have a good amount for a solo game like this. They can have the initial taking of Ueda Masayuki performed, they can have a battle under Kazumasa Takigawa against the Hojo, they can have a battle under the uesugi where they fight the Hojo(and defect to the Hojo; also this "battle" took place at Kawanakajima so that's awesome. Well it wasn't actually a battle as direct combat was avoided, but the games can make it into one), then they can fight under the Hojo against the Tokugawa(wherein they will then defect to the Tokugawa), from here they can either take part somewhere in the Komaki campaign or they can go the historical route and have Masayuki deal with the local lords around himself(which would make for a great cooling off period after the Tensho-jingo conflict, narratively speaking), next of course there's 1st Ueda, the Hojo's taking of Numata castle in 1589, the siege of Odawara(which could be at least two stages: Oshi and then Odawara itself), then in 1600 there was a campaign where Ieyasu attacked the Uesugi before Sekigahara and the Sanada took like two or so castles, that could be a stage, then you have Ina's fictional defense of Numata, after that there is 2nd Ueda.

Then we move on to Osaka which as has been mentioned by Rance a number of times now can be split into multiple stages.

I've always thought Yukimura's entire life itself was boring as he himself only participated in Odawara(I assume, but either way there was no real fighting here), 2nd siege of Ueda, and Osaka castle. I still think that. But I think the Sanada clan itself has a good amount of material for it's own story, especially in the Tensho-Jingo conflict.

Also I don't think a clan has to be part of all the "main" events to be interesting. I think pretty much any clan that's constantly fighting for survival can be interesting. Because at the end of the day that's all any of the clans are doing anyway, the Nanbu for example never really dealt with any of these main events yet they're interesting all the same for having to deal with there clan breaking into 3 parts, their leaders "mysteriously" dying, all whilst trying to survive. I guess for me I see stories about the Unifiers in the same way I see stories about superheroes trying to save the world, and stories about smaller clans as stories about superheroes trying to save a city. Basically the unifiers are superman fighting darkside to save the planet, meanwhile the smaller clans are Batman trying to save their own city, both are interesting one just happens to be larger in scale, but that doesn't necessarily make it more interesting or intimate. In fact, stories about small time heroes usually end up being more intimate and personal as wanting to protect something close to your own heart rather than the entire planet(with billions of people you don't know, understand, or have something in common with) is something anyone can easily relate too.
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Regarding Nobunaga's iron ships and the like, I think it's quite possible they could have, like, Kunoichi and Sasuke (? still don't know when or how he'll become a Sanada ninja) for instance going West to tamper with the Oda and Toyotomi for a stage or two on behalf of Masayuki. Or seeing Chacha or another future Sanada ally do some stuff. I don't think they'll cover every major event (Kyushu for instance would be a stretch and going to Sekigahara itself would feel kinda wrong), but they could cover a few of them using that tactic.
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^Is any of that really necessary though? What's wrong with a game that just focuses on the Sanada clan as they were? Just randomly inserting them into the unifiers battles won't necessarily make their story better. If anything that'd make it feel incredibly disjointed from the rest of it.
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It's not necessary in the slightest, no. I wouldn't have even suggested it myself. Just trying to think of what the Sanada would have to do with Nobunaga's iron ships as mentioned earlier, is all.
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ah I see, sorry if my post came off as a bit too aggressive.

Also, is anyone else watching the Taiga drama sanadamaru(does it have a thread anywhere on here)? I've gotta say I find all the Tensho-Jingo conflict related stuff really interesting.
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The Taiga to me is more a trashy soap opera version of the Sanada clan xD. Entertaining but more like fast food (guilty pleasure stuff).

In particular the relationships between Nobuyuki and Ina and Yukimura and Haru (Akihime) are pure soap opera.

Nobuyuki and Ina's relationship is terrible most of the time. He seemed to prefer his exwife Oko most of the time to Ina. Ina never ever smiles and I don't even want to imagine how it will be in the next episodes now that Ono Otsu has been added to the mix.

While Akihime is really stunning she is mentally unstable. She is really exactly the same as Yukimura's very first wife Ume (Hotta's sister) and also does crazy things like flipping out in front of Mitsunari in the past or naming her daughter Umehime after Yukimura's deceased first wife since she feels that she is in the shadows of his deceased wife xD. I love Aki she is nuts and fierce. Her personality rather reminds me of characters Nikaido Fumi usually plays.
However as fierce as Akihime is: She won't be able to stop Yukimura and Daisuke following Yodo's and Hideyori' orders. Thus in a way Yodo does seem to be the finally most influential woman in Sanadamaru despite being in the background for a long while.

Edited by Maya, Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:48 pm.
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Can someone remind me where the iron ships are shown? I don't remember.
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^see the 2nd trailer, on 1:14

https://youtu.be/FKpZ9iUJxA4?t=70
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Couldn't those iron warships be from the siege of Odawara? If I remember right kuki Yoshitaka was there under Hideyoshi.
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Okay, the ships check out. In 1614, the Kuki navy - who operated tekkousen - under the Tokugawa Shogunate fought the Toyotomi navy, led by Oono Harutane, who were defending the mouth of the Kizugawa river. This was the Noda-Fukushima sub-battle of the Winter Campaign of Osaka.

I think this is the most likely source of those ships, since we see in the video they look to be arriving at some docks, which fits the idea of them being the Tokugawa's ships landing outside Osaka.
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further proof of an expanded Osaka campaign, sweet!
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Ohhh I didn't realize they kept the ironclads. Neat! Yeah it makes sense they'd be there for that battle then.
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If they're going to make a stage out of every Osaka battle, I suspect we might see Matabei as a new character since he's the key character during Battle of Dōmyōji.

Granted, they can probably pull it off with him being just a generic and instead focus on other playables like Masamune & Yukimura ( :doge: ), but if anything, it certainly does increase his chances of making a playable debut here. I personally feel that he's kinda needed to do the battle right.
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I've a feeling that Osaka may purely focus on the Toyotomi forces this time. I can't imagine the narrative flicking between Yukimura and Nobuyuki after every battle, plus the Toyotomi side got shafted badly in 'SW4-II' and we got almost every perspective of the Tokugawa forces that we don't really need to see again for a while.
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Granted, they can probably pull it off with him being just a generic and instead focus on other playables like Masamune & Yukimura ( :doge: ), but if anything, it certainly does increase his chances of making a playable debut here. I personally feel that he's kinda needed to do the battle right.
lol Masamune....seeing this is the SW version i don't think they're going to give much things to do for masamune, even the animu shoved him away when he asked Ieyasu's permission to face yukimura's army during the osaka campaign :rolleyes:

i wonder if Masayuki's hat will magically turn teen yukimura into old yukimura in this game :doge:
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Granted, they can probably pull it off with him being just a generic and instead focus on other playables like Masamune & Yukimura ( :doge: ), but if anything, it certainly does increase his chances of making a playable debut here. I personally feel that he's kinda needed to do the battle right.
lol Masamune....seeing this is the SW version i don't think they're going to give much things to do for masamune, even the animu shoved him away when he asked Ieyasu's permission to face yukimura's army during the osaka campaign :rolleyes:

i wonder if Masayuki's hat will magically turn teen yukimura into old yukimura in this game :doge:
I think this game will be different. Masamune played a big role at Domyoji, which I doubt they would ignore.

I'm still thinking it's going to be Morichika though. I'd love it if they added both Matabei and Morichika and just went all out with making Osaka an actual campaign (comprised of many battles).
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BTW, it just occured to me - what if Ryuseiin will be added instead of Akihime? She will give Yukimura's another connection to Toyotomi, since she was Hidetsugu's daughther.
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i have a feeling Chacha will be the only female add
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