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| Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada | |
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| The Outsider | Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:28 am Post #1401 |
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The Demon's Rival
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^ I agree, plus it gives ChaCha a good opportunity to stand out being the only new female. I don't think we'll be getting another new character anyway, though it would be nice to have another Osaka defender so we're not stuck with Yuki, Sasuke and Kunoichi. |
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| wodash | Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:18 pm Post #1402 |
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undefeated in all directions
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you'l prolly get to play as Masanori and Kiyomasa too |
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| Maya | Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:52 pm Post #1403 |
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Why should Ryuseiin be added? Hidetsugu is already worthless in contrast to Yoshitsugu and Akihime is the mother of the heir and the reason the Sanada were tied to Mitsunari and Yoshitsugu. |
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| bluefiend | Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:50 pm Post #1404 |
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Emperor's Retainer
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Actually while we're talking about Hidetsugu, I've gotta say I'd really love to have Hidenaga as an add sometime, the guy was basically Hideyoshi's number 2(and was often second in command to hideyoshi, if not in command himself) and somewhat similar to Yoshitsugu in that he was plagued by an illness for years before it killed him, except unlike Yoshitsugu, Hidenaga's death had huge consequences not just for the Toyotomi but for the country as a whole. Plus there could always be the option of Hidenaga adding some extra "what-if" stages as he could slip into a coma for 9 years instead of dying. |
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| UpInMahBubble | Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:36 am Post #1405 |
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Who you calling a cute prince?
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It was already said all the SW4 characters would appear so we'll probably have Kai, Koshosho and Kotaro on the defending side too like in SW4 I would like to see playable Hideyori on that side too though |
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| The Outsider | Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:39 am Post #1406 |
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The Demon's Rival
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I forget that Kai, Kotaro and Koshosho are included in the group . However, won't they perhaps get shafted in place of older Yukimura, ChaCha and Sasuke especially alongside Kunoichi? I guess if all characters are confirmed to return then I suppose they'll have at least some role however.
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| Call Me Hunky | Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:11 am Post #1407 |
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Yare yare daze
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If they want to expand the Toyotomi forces more, I'd prefer Hideie Ukita with him being one of the Council of Five Elders and his large role in Sekigahara. But Hidenaga has been high on my list for a while. Good pick |
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| SazukeEX | Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:45 am Post #1408 |
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Behold Sun Shi! The Fiery Tiger Cub of Sun Ce, Lu Xun's Tigress, and the Mother Tiger of Lu Kang!
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Of course they will get shafted as this is a Yukimura side game. I expect everyone to get shafted outside new adds and Yukimura's inner circle. |
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| wodash | Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:23 pm Post #1409 |
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undefeated in all directions
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pretty much, this is not SW5, anything that is not remotely Sanada related will pretty much be almost nonexistent, and this also means the old characters, not just potential new adds, despite everyone being playable/not being cut we prolly won't see around half of the roster being used in the main story, let alone new adds that is not directly related to Yukimura
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| Raiko Z | Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:09 pm Post #1410 |
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Dynasty Recon Chinalands
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I hope this guy get added too.
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| Fūma | Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:21 pm Post #1411 |
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The Dragon Has Returned
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Don't forget this Sanada. |
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| Katatonia | Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:34 pm Post #1412 |
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destroy.erase.improve
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He needs to suplex cannons and kiss Chacha in the middle of a huge explosion |
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| wodash | Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:53 am Post #1413 |
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undefeated in all directions
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only if he wore this
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| Fūma | Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:53 pm Post #1414 |
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The Dragon Has Returned
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... we really need some news of the game soon or this goes even more off-topic
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| bluefiend | Sun Oct 2, 2016 7:52 am Post #1415 |
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Emperor's Retainer
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hmm, I don't like this you guys. We have Sasuke and Kunoichi both as ninja bodyguards for Yukimura essentially making each other redundant while at the same time Sasuke already has connections to the Tokugawa. In addition we already have the entire main sanada family + Ina, and even Yoshitsugu Otani... The stage is set for Akihime to appear with Kunoichi taking the role as her ninja bodyguard! |
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| The Outsider | Mon Oct 3, 2016 4:30 pm Post #1416 |
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The Demon's Rival
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I also really cannot see Akihime being added to this game as well. Like I mentioned before, we already have ChaCha who is likely going to be pushed as the sole female representative this time around. We also have Sasuke who is largely fictional so Koei can be relatively creative with him. We don't really have a character other than Masayuki who has strong historical ground to incorporate in the game and practically no one other than Yukimura for the battlefields of Osaka. If we're to get another new character, we need someone who actually fought and died at Osaka for the Toyotomi who Koei can't be too free to mess around with to keep the seriousness of it all. Koei can be pretty whatever with Sasuke and slightly with ChaCha, if they added Akihime then that's just another exaggerated persona.
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Mon Oct 3, 2016 5:22 pm Post #1417 |
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Mewshuji
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I wouldn't call them redundant unless you're thinking solely from a "slots" standpoint- that is, only one character per role. They're different characters with the same occupation. I mean Muneshige and Ginchiyo as Tachibana clan heads, nor are Nouhime and Ranmaru redundant as Nobunaga's right and left hand. You could make a point if Sasuke were more like his typical depictions as then we'd have two genki ninjas serving the same lord, but by making him more like Saizo, they've opened up the way for a lot of potential interesting interactions. Yeah I know I know you were joshing around, but I'm kinda defensive of Sasuke now, haha. :p |
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| The Outsider | Mon Oct 3, 2016 5:34 pm Post #1418 |
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^ I completely agree with your points, two characters can serve well as two of the same thing like Muneshige and Ginchiyo as well as Nohime and Ranmaru. What is funny however is that those two groups are among two of the most neglected, without personal stories in the future then how Koei deal with Kunoichi and Sasuke will be interesting. Luckily this game is heavily 'Sanada-centric' so both will likely mostly be fine. |
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| Maya | Mon Oct 3, 2016 5:51 pm Post #1419 |
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Well if you go by the Taiga dorama here is my opinion on Akihime's chances:![]() In my opinion she has a good chance to be added. She is a major character with much screentime in the show (she appears for the first time in episode 26 thus she is a major character for almost half of the series) far surpassing Yukimura's first wife Ume (Hotta's sister) and Hidetsugu's daughter (who appears in about 4 episodes in the entire show) who Yukimura married before Akihime and could care less about. I think that Akihime by now also had more screentime than Chacha. Akihime/Haru is also quite popular with the viewers despite not being there since the beginning she has been voted place two on the most popular female characters far surpassing Chacha and Ina. Also from reading spoilers about the final episode she will get several scenes there apparently as well. Apparently they will show her being captured along with her daughter by the Tokugawa and coming face to face with Ieyasu and then being pardonned which historically happened. The only Sanada with an actual reason to dislike the Tokugawa in the show are Yukimura and Akihime by the way: Yukimura since the Tokugawa are responsible for the death of his first wife Ume (who Akihime ironically resembles) and Akihime due to Yoshitsugu's death. I love by the way that all significant women in Yukimura's life on the show are scary characters xD: His first wife Ume, his self-proclaimed boss Chacha and Akihime who ties him to the Toyotomi side. Also something interesting: ![]() ![]() ![]() While Sanadamaru also features Yukimura's oldest daughter Sue (by his first deceased wife) and infant Daihachi (his second son and eventual true heir with Akihime) it's the Daisuke/Ume combination that got a special portrait in Sengoku Risshiden and they also appear on the show together. Speaking of the second son Daihachi: He was adopted by the Katakura clan by the way which the show will definitely show. Of the defenders I want: Kimura Shigenari ![]() ![]() He was casted on the show and has a portrait in Risshiden he would be good. Edited by Maya, Mon Oct 3, 2016 6:10 pm.
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| bluefiend | Mon Oct 3, 2016 6:39 pm Post #1420 |
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Muneshige and Ginchiyo don't share the role of clan head, that role solidly falls onto Muneshige, and even if they did, it wouldn't matter much anyway, it's fine to have two "general" retainers in one clan as they will have a lot to do in every battle, likewise the same can be said of two clan heads, both of those roles are loosely defined so they can fit anywhere. That said it actually shouldn't be hard at all two have two bodyguard characters on one person. In fact that should be prime material for them to all interact, but for whatever reason Koei is especially horrible with bodyguard characters. Take Kunoichi for example, she's supposed to be Yukimura's bodyguard. Yukimura's goal in SW4 is to essentially kill himself, yet somehow, in spite of the fact that Yukimura is actively trying to kill himself Kunoichi still has basically nothing to do. Likewise look at Ieyasu, the guy is almost always about to be killed by someone(because he never brings his weapon to cutscenes...lol) yet rather than give Hanzo some spotlight and having him save Ieyasu, we constantly have other Tokugawa characters do it. In fact I'd even say Ranmaru is the worst example of this, we know for a fact that nobunaga was shot like 3 times historically and in game he's literally surrounded by enemies as even a number of allies become enemies or are enemies outright. Hisahide wants to kill Nobunaga, and even Noh who is incredibly close to Nobunaga wants to kill him yet we never even get scenes of Ranmaru giving them dirty looks. I mean really the one that bugs me most is Noh, she's Nobunaga's wife that came from another family and is constantly thinking about killing him...How is this not a point of conflict for Ranmaru and Noh?!?! How does Ranmaru not want to kill Hisahide on the spot for his multiple schemes and betrayals?! Why doesn't Ranmaru suspect Oichi of anything after Nobunaga killed her husband? How is Ranmaru not troubled by Nobunaga hiring a mercenary like Magoichi that could shoot him in the back at any time? Why is Mitsuhide the one defending Nobunaga from Yukimura in the cutscene intro of Nagashino?! Koei is just terrible with bodyguard characters in general already, even when they should have a ton to do like in the case of Ranmaru they still somehow get shafted into the nether. @Maya: do you know of any websites I could use to get caught up on the show? the website I've been using up to now has only subbed episodes 1-30. Also, I have to add that I hate Ina and Kiri in this show lol, Kiri's probably a lost cause, but will Ina ever get any better? Akihime is great so far though, and I miss Matsu ![]() I'm also really loving how they're building the distrust between the Sanadabros due to Yukimura's service to Hideyoshi too, it really makes Yukimura question who he really is, while further pushing Nobuyuki away because nobody ever tells him anything; poor guy. Edited by bluefiend, Mon Oct 3, 2016 6:47 pm.
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| Maya | Mon Oct 3, 2016 7:49 pm Post #1421 |
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@bluefiend Hm regarding subs I haven't seen websites that subbed further sadly. I watch Sanadamaru in Japanese and usually read the news about new announcements in case that it might be significant for the game. I will inform you though if I find anything. Regarding Ina. Yes she doesn't get a very good portrayal. It might be possible that she will still warm up a bit however Nobuyuki's exwife Oko (Sanada Nobutsuna's daughter) gets a better portrayal and according to the survey is more popular than Ina. According to the website "Ono Otsu will mend Nobuyuki's broken heart" from what I have read. Thus it might be possible that Otsu will be more well liked than Ina as well xD. Ina has a son and a stepson now thus I am curious if she will still be grumpy as ever. Kiri is kinda boring and a waste of screentime. The actress Nagasawa Masami is popular in Japan though especially with men though. By now she has become friends with Akihime and from the interview by the actress who plays Akihime will see Akihime as a little sister. Kiri had several scenes with Sasuke now. I suspect that Kiri has some elements of Kunoichi's character (childhood friend, connection with Sasuke, Kiri as a possible allusion to Kirigakure Saizo) and Takanashi Naiki's daughter Uneme. Uneme was Yukimura's second wife before Hidetsugu's daughter and Akihime. She was much older than Akihime and Hidetsugu's daughter and around Yukimura's age. Uneme's daughter Oichi appeared in Sanada Taiheiki as Akihime's stepdaughter however since the bond between Yukimura and Kiri is pretty platonic Oichi (who was born way before Kudoyama) was scrapped. Perhaps this is their way to kinda start a Kunoichi-Akihime bond. Make her see Akihime as a younger sister and friend. Uneme might be used as Kunoichi's name and YukimuraxKunoichi shippers might even accept this reference to Yukimura's second more mature wife and then accept Akihime? Also if Akihime might be added she might work for Mitsunari since Akihime liked Mitsunari in the past in the dorama. Edited by Maya, Mon Oct 3, 2016 7:50 pm.
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| SazukeEX | Mon Oct 3, 2016 11:47 pm Post #1422 |
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I just don't see Akihime ever getting in as Yukimura is treated as asexual and Kunoichi fans would throw a huge fit. Chacha is a special case as Hideyoshi is a known womanizer and she has been mention in previous games as well.as being very important to the era. So he gets 2 wives. Though if it was between Nene or Chacha only I would choose Chacha in instant over Nene. Hopefully this game highlights Nene's importance in choosing Tokugawa over the Toyotomi. |
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| bluefiend | Tue Oct 4, 2016 5:20 am Post #1423 |
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Actually I could see Kunoichi fans getting even more sympathetic towards her in regards to Yukimura never acknowledging her feelings, but really, is Kunoichi's fanbase even all that big anymore? it feels like she's a lot less popular lately. though that may just be me projecting my own feelings onto her fanbase. |
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| Manjiimortal | Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:51 am Post #1424 |
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That's easy to know, just look at how she ranked on the SW4 popularity pool Koei did. Anyone has a link? |
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| Zai Tong | Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:35 am Post #1425 |
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In my personal pov there are two kunoichi the original who was better than the new one and the new kunoichi that's just ............... Hmm wonder if edit officers will be added to Sanada Maru they should allow the body guard system for the game |
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