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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
Topic Started: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:15 pm (168,839 Views)
UpInMahBubble
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I thought Kagetora would have been the first one of the sw4 unique-ish characters made playable tbh.

How long roughly til better quality scans pop up?
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I thought Kagetora would have been the first one of the sw4 unique-ish characters made playable tbh.

How long roughly til better quality scans pop up?
doesn't really matter since the new girl is not on the scan IIRC? only Katsuyori and we already seen his grorious mug before.

the rest of the screenshot is already pretty clear IMO
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You mean that Katsuyori will essentially keep his SW4E looks? How boring.
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So it's confirmed that these 'new' characters are basically pre-made playable CAW?

lol Koei
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Guys, all we get are six additions to this franchise...

Masayuki Sanada
Chacha
Sasuke Sarutobi
Hidetada Tokugawa
Muramatsu
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Katsuyori Takeda


My opinion of Hideyori as an addition to Samurai Warriors:

I doubt Hideyori Toyotomi will be added at the time of Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru. the game doesn't come out till November in Japan.

We got his father back in the original SW game and now we got Chacha/Lady Yodo, his mother just new in the series. yet, she was an event NPC in the first Samurai Warriors Chronicles game. because I remembered it.
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Honestly people need to stop calling them CAWs. They don't have that type of armor and they have unique faces. They're more akin to, as noted elsewhere in the topic, Dosan or Kagetora. Of course, I say "they", when really, so far we only know Katsuyori to seem to be that way. I'd assume Hidetada falls into that category too, but I wouldn't count Muramatsu out as being unique until we get the scans proper.

Yes, they have generic movesets- but it's incredibly likely that outside of any CaW capabilities this title may or may not have, those movesets wouldn't otherwise be available.

It's also likely these characters are meant to be big players in the story, but they weren't fitting for the gameplay sections, so they didn't bother making them unique movesets yet.
And honestly, I don't know why people would pan Koei for trying to make the story more dynamic. That's the whole damn point of the title- to provide an interesting Sanada-centric narrative, and they seem to be succeeding (especially compared to the mess in SW4, though I could be wrong). If you have a problem with them adding characters to it that aren't 100% new when we've already got three new characters (which is approximately the number of new characters we get in a spinoff or XL, typically), that's on you.

Ugh, I can't believe I'm being forced to defend Omega Force of all production companies. I generally agree with criticism of their decisions but lately, and ESPECIALLY for this title, I feel like people are going all out to hate on them for the sake of it.
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:35 am.
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Tue Oct 4, 2016 7:58 pm
And most importantly, why doesn't old Nobuyuki have a BEARD?! :beard: he doesn't look super manly like old Yukimura, what a shame.
Wait he doesn't have a beard.... dang it!

Well, I guess that's all the add since there are six coins, which I assume that there is total of six characters, including characters that unique caw. I'm guessing that Katsuyori, Hidetada, and Muramatsu should have their own voice actor.
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From the beginning I believed Katsuyori would have been a new character and it's right that he is playable, however ithe is frustrating that Koei think it's OK to give us these characters in this manner. It's very half-asked to give them generic movesets and probably generic Musou attacks, this is probably the worst thing since keeping Okuni, Musashi, Kojuro and Goemon in pre-SW4 outfits. Crazy company.
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Why are people up in arms about "generic CAWs"?

You know who else started as characters with naginata/sword/etc?

Hideyoshi, Yoshimoto, Katsuie, Kojiro, Aya, Masanori
Edited by SRS, Wed Oct 5, 2016 8:25 am.
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True, it's just that I can see inevitably due to fan demand or general game purposes they'll eventually get full movesets in a future game therefore it was kind of pointless to give them these crappy movesets to begin with.

Does anyone know if CAW is even in this game actually?
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SRS
Wed Oct 5, 2016 8:24 am
Why are people up in arms about "generic CAWs"?

You know who else started as characters with naginata/sword/etc?

Hideyoshi, Yoshimoto, Katsuie, Kojiro, Aya, Masanori
you know I never really noticed that was a trend in SW till just now ... yeah, a good portion of the characters that became playable in future games, like XL's and such, started out as UNPC's with the standard sword, spear, and naginata movesets.
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Wed Oct 5, 2016 8:24 am
Why are people up in arms about "generic CAWs"?

You know who else started as characters with naginata/sword/etc?

Hideyoshi, Yoshimoto, Katsuie, Kojiro, Aya, Masanori
Yes, but those characters were unplayable when they used generic weapons. As soon as they became proper playable characters they were given unique movesets.
Katsuyori, on the other hand, appears to be a playable character with a generic weapon.
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Wed Oct 5, 2016 9:00 am
SRS
Wed Oct 5, 2016 8:24 am
Why are people up in arms about "generic CAWs"?

You know who else started as characters with naginata/sword/etc?

Hideyoshi, Yoshimoto, Katsuie, Kojiro, Aya, Masanori
Yes, but those characters were unplayable when they used generic weapons. As soon as they became proper playable characters they were given unique movesets.
Katsuyori, on the other hand, appears to be a playable character with a generic weapon.
Huh, that is nice point actually. sounds quite scary that way.
maybe they will just keep them like that.
well better than have ugly 100% caw, half-baked is better than no dish at all.
funny, that they eventually decided to continue this trend. Since there is no XL title this time, it makes sense they featured those unpcs pcs now.
Edited by WarHawk, Wed Oct 5, 2016 9:05 am.
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Wed Oct 5, 2016 2:22 am
doesn't really matter since the new girl is not on the scan IIRC? only Katsuyori and we already seen his grorious mug before.

the rest of the screenshot is already pretty clear IMO
Isn't that her face in the corner of the sanada family tree?

I wanna get a good look at the render for katsuyori too
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Wed Oct 5, 2016 9:10 am
wodash
Wed Oct 5, 2016 2:22 am
doesn't really matter since the new girl is not on the scan IIRC? only Katsuyori and we already seen his grorious mug before.

the rest of the screenshot is already pretty clear IMO
Isn't that her face in the corner of the sanada family tree?

I wanna get a good look at the render for katsuyori too
Yep that's Muramatsu, bottom right corner.
Here's Katsuyori:
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When I think about it that way... Naginata, Sword and Spear are only caw weapons that available. I mean there are also Chronicles CAW dual knives and sword with gun, but those have kinda exclusive status (or not? they were in SW4 afterall). Hm, I would like personally unpc Takigawa for Takeda annihilation and Kannagawa role and give him those longsword with rifle. Dual Knives to Matsu)) oh yeah, she has no place in the game about Sanada at all. Sad, really. I know that she is given for SW5, but wouldn't mind her addition earlier. As for Hideyori I never really cared about him, he may stay as he is. Since he is just one-stage character anyway. Though, Osaka campaign might be longer this time, so I don't know. Kagetora unfortunately has no place for this game. No Masanobu, since new Tokugawa is Hidetada's status. What else? New Osaka defender (hopefully Matabei) should get brand new weapon. This is good time to feature Matabei properly.
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UpInMahBubble
Wed Oct 5, 2016 9:10 am
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Wed Oct 5, 2016 2:22 am
doesn't really matter since the new girl is not on the scan IIRC? only Katsuyori and we already seen his grorious mug before.

the rest of the screenshot is already pretty clear IMO
Isn't that her face in the corner of the sanada family tree?

I wanna get a good look at the render for katsuyori too
Yep that's Muramatsu, bottom right corner.
Here's Katsuyori:
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Huh, her hair style kinda reminds me of Nagi from Toukiden. She also seems to be wearing a pink hair clip in her hair? Her shirt seems to have white and pink in it too ...

you guys think maybe she will get the cup and ball weapon instead of the naginata? Playful older sister style character whos more easy going to contrast her younger brothers searious nature? Maybe? Please Koei?

Please just bring back the Cup-&-Ball and the Twin Wood Swords Movesets PLEASE!
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As much as I love these additions, I'm still clinging on to another Osaka defender being added in
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Well I was expecting six characters because the six Sanada coins, but the only character that I think it will look more generic, it's indeed Katsuyori. He's generacly new :doge:

If there's more, better, but I think that's all.
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Well, even if Katsuyori ain't a complete playable character, it's nice to see the actual Takeda guys to finally get some focus when it's always been mostly about the Sanadas.

If we get Hidetada, I don't see why we shouldn't eventually get Hideyori now, given that the Osaka Campaign will be a major focus here.

I'm not really familiar with Lady Muramatsu. I'd prefer if it was Lady MuraMatsu instead...
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I hope Koei can surpass the six coins thing, Capcom was strict on the six additions, but I would like to see Hideyori too.
Probably we'll get the scans today right ?
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Well, the official site will probably be updated soon.
Edited by Fūma, Wed Oct 5, 2016 11:27 am.
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Well, even if Katsuyori ain't a complete playable character
I don't get this kind of thinking.

How wouldn't Katsuyori be completely playable? Because he doesn't look like a Power Rangers' villain or lacks a gimmicky weapon (seriously, I remember the CAW Spear moveset being beastly in SW1, and one of the best in the game)? Sure, it's a shame that he doesn't has a unique weapon and moveset (and there might be perfectly reasonable reaons why, lack of budget, lack of time, though this being Koei you can't discard basic laziness...), but at least he's there and should get that come SW5, in which his inclusion is all but guaranteed.

It's the same dumb kind of thinking that had people complaining in DW8 that there were still clones because some movesets were used by generic NPS! It's just an extremely petty way of thinking that reinforces my conviction that the way game developers should deal with fans is by using a bull-whip!

And people really could be a little happier, because at last, after 14 games in the series (not counting State of War or Katana), and a lot of b****ing in this forum, we're finally getting a legit Takeda add for the game (Masayuki also counts as a Takeda add, he served them for over 20 years, but he's promoted as a Sanada more)!! Not since Shingen on the goddamned FIRST game in the series have we had a Takeda add!
Edited by Manjiimortal, Wed Oct 5, 2016 11:57 am.
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Actually I think that there should be more characters. Katsuyori and Muramatsu only appear mostly in the beginning of the Taiga.
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Yeah, I am really happy that Katsuyori is semi-unique at least. He was pretty high in my wishlist lately. Top10 to be exactly, even though I rated Yamagata Masakage a bit higher.
Still I think one Katsuyori is not panacea. Such major clan as Takeda deserves proper represenation. So at least one more addition in SW5 would be welcome (Masakage, Masanobu, Chiyome...).
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