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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
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Fri Oct 7, 2016 1:43 pm
Still kinda feels weird that there's no SW4 version of Yukimura (yet?). Especially since they still use that for Musou Star.
free mode i guess, the spikehead one seems to be overwriting the SW4 Yukimura by the looks of it
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Fri Oct 7, 2016 2:19 pm
Ranmaru isn't a kid, he's not as young as Oichi & Masamune in SW1. But more importantly, both Oichi & Masamune fought with toy weapons (a kendama and wooden swords) so I'd give them a free pass.
kid yukimura also used a non lethal bamboo spear, so why didn't he get a pass?
I don't know, maybe they just want to have a more realistic approach here. Kids don't go to wars fighting with wooden weapons.
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Fri Oct 7, 2016 1:43 pm
Still kinda feels weird that there's no SW4 version of Yukimura (yet?). Especially since they still use that for Musou Star.
free mode i guess, the spikehead one seems to be overwriting the SW4 Yukimura by the looks of it
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Fri Oct 7, 2016 2:19 pm
Ranmaru isn't a kid, he's not as young as Oichi & Masamune in SW1. But more importantly, both Oichi & Masamune fought with toy weapons (a kendama and wooden swords) so I'd give them a free pass.
kid yukimura also used a non lethal bamboo spear, so why didn't he get a pass?
I don't know, maybe they just want to have a more realistic approach here. Kids don't go to wars fighting with wooden weapons.
I agree, as for Masamune, he had wooden swords and the design was great, but at least they were swords. Oichi was just ridiculous. :XD
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I just don't think the kids will be playable in battles because they've yet to show a single screenshot or gameplay footage where they would be fighting.
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I agree, as for Masamune, he had wooden swords and the design was great, but at least they were swords. Oichi was just ridiculous. :XD
you definitely haven't watched Yatterman yet, those Kendamas are LETHAL :beard: :rolleyes: :hey:

also, this guy is Sarutobi Sasuke

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which hits me, they should've gave the Kendama moveset to Sasuke :wacko:
Edited by wodash, Fri Oct 7, 2016 2:33 pm.
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I agree, as for Masamune, he had wooden swords and the design was great, but at least they were swords. Oichi was just ridiculous. :XD
you definitely haven't watched Yatterman yet, those Kndamas are LETHAL :beard: :rolleyes: :hey:
Nah boy Genis Sage was a beast with that weapon
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I don't see what would be so bad about DLC characters. They done it with Hyrule Warriors and they turned out great. Adds more longeivity onto the game anyway


Let's hope the Japanese fans demand her as DLC, sucks the most unique looking design is NPC
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"Because they should have been in the game in the first place!!! blablablablabla"
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Garnix mentioned on twitter that its possible Koei may release Muramatsu as DLC later on down the line.

I'd buy it
No no no no no no no. What, are they crazy? Starting with DLC character bullshit in SW, now? What more should we expect?
I agree with that, DLC characters would be a low blow.

The only way I find that to be acceptable is if it's treated like a patch, on account of them lacking time to implement a moveset for her.
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Because they should have been in the game in the first place
Yes.

I'd much rather wait extra time for them to develop a moveset for her rather than pay extra money just because they were lazy and decided to sell an incomplete game.

This kind of DLC practice is just lame and I fail to see how anyone can support it. It's basically "Hey, here's a cool character who you all are probably excited to use in battle, but wait, you have pay extra for it just because we're morons". If you support such practice it just encourages developers to release their game more and more incomplete. It's even worse if the content is already on the disc and you have to pay extra to "unlock" it.
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I agree, as for Masamune, he had wooden swords and the design was great, but at least they were swords. Oichi was just ridiculous. :XD
you definitely haven't watched Yatterman yet, those Kendamas are LETHAL :beard: :rolleyes: :hey:

also, this guy is Sarutobi Sasuke

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which hits me, they should've gave the Kendama moveset to Sasuke :wacko:
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Because they should have been in the game in the first place
Yes.

I'd much rather wait extra time for them to develop a moveset for her rather than pay extra money just because they were lazy and decided to sell an incomplete game.

This kind of DLC practice is just lame and I fail to see how anyone can support it. It's basically "Hey, here's a cool character who you all are probably excited to use in battle, but wait, you have pay extra for it just because we're morons". If you support such practice it just encourages developers to release their game more and more incomplete. It's even worse if the content is already on the disc and you have to pay extra to "unlock" it.
I agree.
But Koei's policy in term of DLC has always been awful!
Remember when we had to pay to use DW4 costumes in DW7, and then pay for the same thing again for DW8?
It's actually the same case as the DLC movesets they sold us in DW7/DW8...
Except that in SW there is no weapon switch, so if they want to sell a moveset it has either to be a CAW weapon, or a playable weapon for a UNPC...
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Pandering to fujoshis is one thing i despise personally. Don't ask me why, i HATE FUJOSHI.
What is a fujoshi?
I know it was answered slightly earlier... but allow me to go more in depth. Fujoshi is a self-mockingly perjorative Japanese term for fans of certain kinds of media, meaning "rotten girl". Specifically, they tend to enjoy either flat out yaoi or BL material, or material that lends itself towards shipping men together. There's also another subset of female Japanese fan that's cropped up since the mid 00's-- the pop history fan. I forget the exact term used, but basically, it's women who have become very interested in history, specifically the Sengoku era. It's a big enough group that it's actually driven up revenue towards ticket sales to historical sites and museums. And naturally, there's a fair bit of overlap between the two.

While it's true that it's incredibly likely Koei is pandering to both groups in their games, to dismiss it as a bad thing and to use the term fujoshi perjoratively and with disrespect.... It reeks of bad taste to me. Why? Simply put, without all the money that these fanbases pump into SW merch sales, or stage show ticket sales, or anime DVD sales, the series would likely be slowed down, or worse, cease to exist.

We have them to thank for the continued proliferation of the series. So if you want more Samurai Warriors.... don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Pandering to fujoshis is one thing i despise personally. Don't ask me why, i HATE FUJOSHI.
What is a fujoshi?
I know it was answered slightly earlier... but allow me to go more in depth. Fujoshi is a self-mockingly perjorative Japanese term for fans of certain kinds of media, meaning "rotten girl". Specifically, they tend to enjoy either flat out yaoi or BL material, or material that lends itself towards shipping men together. There's also another subset of female Japanese fan that's cropped up since the mid 00's-- the pop history fan. I forget the exact term used, but basically, it's women who have become very interested in history, specifically the Sengoku era. It's a big enough group that it's actually driven up revenue towards ticket sales to historical sites and museums. And naturally, there's a fair bit of overlap between the two.

While it's true that it's incredibly likely Koei is pandering to both groups in their games, to dismiss it as a bad thing and to use the term fujoshi perjoratively and with disrespect.... It reeks of bad taste to me. Why? Simply put, without all the money that these fanbases pump into SW merch sales, or stage show ticket sales, or anime DVD sales, the series would likely be slowed down, or worse, cease to exist.

We have them to thank for the continued proliferation of the series. So if you want more Samurai Warriors.... don't look a gift horse in the mouth.





Game wise I disagree the rest probably right
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Fri Oct 7, 2016 3:40 pm
But Koei's policy in term of DLC has always been awful!
Remember when we had to pay to use DW4 costumes in DW7, and then pay for the same thing again for DW8?
It's actually the same case as the DLC movesets they sold us in DW7/DW8...
Except that in SW there is no weapon switch, so if they want to sell a moveset it has either to be a CAW weapon, or a playable weapon for a UNPC...
SW is worse since the first SW game that has DLC were so terrible in that the are trying to find a way to gain money from DLC by locking all regular weapon skins under DLC walls, these never happened even in DW, it's so ridiculous :wacko:
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I agree.
But Koei's policy in term of DLC has always been awful!
Remember when we had to pay to use DW4 costumes in DW7, and then pay for the same thing again for DW8?
It's actually the same case as the DLC movesets they sold us in DW7/DW8...
Except that in SW there is no weapon switch, so if they want to sell a moveset it has either to be a CAW weapon, or a playable weapon for a UNPC...


I completely agree. It wouldn't hurt at least a discount, we are pouring money into Koei anyway, nothing against DLCs as a whole but we are basically buying the same thing every time a game comes out. Also, "old" games like DW7 should have a DLC discount, it might encourage more people to buy them.

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I agree, as for Masamune, he had wooden swords and the design was great, but at least they were swords. Oichi was just ridiculous. :XD
you definitely haven't watched Yatterman yet, those Kendamas are LETHAL :beard: :rolleyes: :hey:

also, this guy is Sarutobi Sasuke

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which hits me, they should've gave the Kendama moveset to Sasuke :wacko:


You see, it doesn't matter how you put it it's still a ball on a piece of wood. :XD
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Fri Oct 7, 2016 12:08 pm
Ieyasu looks like the exact same as his SW4 counterpart. I'm worried he's not gonna be part of the aging system. Unless this is his "younger" version and the older one is gonna look REALLY old, like white beard and all that.

And yeah, the stage is definitely Mikatagahara.
Wasn't Ieyasu already like, 30 when Mikatagahara happened? His standard design can work for that age. I'd be willing to bet that he'll be given an older design since Hidetada has one.
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Ieyasu looks like the exact same as his SW4 counterpart. I'm worried he's not gonna be part of the aging system. Unless this is his "younger" version and the older one is gonna look REALLY old, like white beard and all that.

And yeah, the stage is definitely Mikatagahara.
Wasn't Ieyasu already like, 30 when Mikatagahara happened? His standard design can work for that age. I'd be willing to bet that he'll be given an older design since Hidetada has one.
Yes. I'm fairly sure that'll be his first appearance in the story and I guess that design can stick around quite long in the story. It's only at the Osaka campaign, which I presume will make the last third of the game, that he'll very likely to receive an older design, probably a more shogun kind of look with white facial hair (he should look old, he was about 70 during Osaka campaign).
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Watch them give the sons of Yukimura and Nobuyuki semi unique designs because this is SANADA MARU and people freak out and rant about it
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It's basically "Hey, here's a cool character who you all are probably excited to use in battle, but wait, you have pay extra for it just because we're morons".
How is that any different to any of the Xtreme Legends or SW4-II? or even the Basara expansions. Like all the stuff from DW7 XL for example could easily have been in the main game cause they really didn't change much at all.
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It's basically "Hey, here's a cool character who you all are probably excited to use in battle, but wait, you have pay extra for it just because we're morons".
How is that any different to any of the Xtreme Legends or SW4-II? or even the Basara expansions. Like all the stuff from DW7 XL for example could easily have been in the main game cause they really didn't change much at all.
It's not. The expansion pack practice, be it a physical copy (e.g XL) or abundant DLC, has never been friendly to our wallets. The only XL games I've ever bought are SW1XL & SW2XL, because most of the time I think it's not worth it.

I've never liked that kind of business, I wish they just spent more time on each game to make them a more complete experience. If they have ideas for new characters or battles, they should save it for the next main entry instead. I don't like how they constantly have to update the games in shorter cycles because it gets expensive for the consumers.
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I know it was answered slightly earlier... but allow me to go more in depth. Fujoshi is a self-mockingly perjorative Japanese term for fans of certain kinds of media, meaning "rotten girl". Specifically, they tend to enjoy either flat out yaoi or BL material, or material that lends itself towards shipping men together. There's also another subset of female Japanese fan that's cropped up since the mid 00's-- the pop history fan. I forget the exact term used, but basically, it's women who have become very interested in history, specifically the Sengoku era. It's a big enough group that it's actually driven up revenue towards ticket sales to historical sites and museums. And naturally, there's a fair bit of overlap between the two.

While it's true that it's incredibly likely Koei is pandering to both groups in their games, to dismiss it as a bad thing and to use the term fujoshi perjoratively and with disrespect.... It reeks of bad taste to me. Why? Simply put, without all the money that these fanbases pump into SW merch sales, or stage show ticket sales, or anime DVD sales, the series would likely be slowed down, or worse, cease to exist.

We have them to thank for the continued proliferation of the series. So if you want more Samurai Warriors.... don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
So, basically Ryö Genken is just generally being an ******* towards a group because they like something being done to men despite it having been done to women for the longest time in gaming? There is no issue in adding sex appeal stuff in the male characters, if anything, Capcom was being smart by adding costumes like those, as well as some things in SFV (hot Ryu, Urien undies), and Koei is not behind, since DOA5LR has many sexy DLC costumes for guys, and would be right to spread that to other games. The "straight male" stereotype for gamers is so horribly wrong and outdated.
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You see, it doesn't matter how you put it it's still a ball on a piece of wood. :XD
how about if the ball is made of metal and the string attached is really sharp?
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So, basically Ryö Genken is just generally being an ******* towards a group because they like something being done to men despite it having been done to women for the longest time in gaming?
well, at one point they really did ruin Basara, by flooding Loketests of it's Arcade game spinoff that real players cannot play and test it/give feedbacks, in turn the game was released as it is and was so broken that it was gone in a flash

but yeah as Kenshin said, they are actually the ones that kept the Basara series afloat, the merchandise and non-game income of the franchise tends to beat the actual game sales and profit by like, tenfolds or so.....

Capcom games with Basara type of budget and sales would prolly got shut down by Capcom years ago way before it's 10th anniversary if it not for the fact that it explodes in popularity on the Fujoshi community(which was at first not the goal at all), which then continues to support anything related to it, aside from the games(sadly)
Edited by wodash, Sat Oct 8, 2016 2:39 am.
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I wouldn't say it's for girls who like that stuff, moreso the ones who are borderline obsessed with their m/m ships and refuse to accept that people don't think the same way. But that's probably a discussion best saved for another topic.

It is true about them basically keeping Basara going though.

I wonder when the next PV will be? I wanna see some more gameplay
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So, basically Ryö Genken is just generally being an ******* towards a group because they like something being done to men despite it having been done to women for the longest time in gaming? There is no issue in adding sex appeal stuff in the male characters, if anything, Capcom was being smart by adding costumes like those, as well as some things in SFV (hot Ryu, Urien undies), and Koei is not behind, since DOA5LR has many sexy DLC costumes for guys, and would be right to spread that to other games. The "straight male" stereotype for gamers is so horribly wrong and outdated.
Umm... no. Fujoshi is like otaku, in that while there are normal, non-problematic ones, there are also obsessive, aggressive, problem-causers in the bunch.

There's overlap with the slash fandom, as in the people who pair up characters romantically or sexually for their own enjoyment, not necessarily because it makes sense in-universe. I remember seeing on fanfiction.net quite a few of these gems... basically masturbatory stories with no plot and just having two men getting hot with each other. Like that one Xiahou Dun x Zhang He story...
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I know it was answered slightly earlier... but allow me to go more in depth. Fujoshi is a self-mockingly perjorative Japanese term for fans of certain kinds of media, meaning "rotten girl". Specifically, they tend to enjoy either flat out yaoi or BL material, or material that lends itself towards shipping men together. There's also another subset of female Japanese fan that's cropped up since the mid 00's-- the pop history fan. I forget the exact term used, but basically, it's women who have become very interested in history, specifically the Sengoku era. It's a big enough group that it's actually driven up revenue towards ticket sales to historical sites and museums. And naturally, there's a fair bit of overlap between the two.

While it's true that it's incredibly likely Koei is pandering to both groups in their games, to dismiss it as a bad thing and to use the term fujoshi perjoratively and with disrespect.... It reeks of bad taste to me. Why? Simply put, without all the money that these fanbases pump into SW merch sales, or stage show ticket sales, or anime DVD sales, the series would likely be slowed down, or worse, cease to exist.

We have them to thank for the continued proliferation of the series. So if you want more Samurai Warriors.... don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
So, basically Ryö Genken is just generally being an ******* towards a group because they like something being done to men despite it having been done to women for the longest time in gaming? There is no issue in adding sex appeal stuff in the male characters, if anything, Capcom was being smart by adding costumes like those, as well as some things in SFV (hot Ryu, Urien undies), and Koei is not behind, since DOA5LR has many sexy DLC costumes for guys, and would be right to spread that to other games. The "straight male" stereotype for gamers is so horribly wrong and outdated.
I don't think you're correct about my preference in characters if you search my history. :)

That said i'm just more bothered by the fujoshi's antics and wodash and SRS has explained why i' bothered by the fujoshi fandom that not just in SW but also in other game.
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