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| Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada | |
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| Amakusa | Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:10 pm Post #1776 |
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That would largely be because Ieyasu Tokugawa and Cao Cao are not comparable in the slightest. While Tokugawa is known to be patient he's also known to be either lucky or opportunistic, while Cao Cao was a genuinely talented man who surrounded himself with men of talent to make each other better as a force. In fact the Warriors Orochi comparison is probably more true in that Ieyasu Tokugawa is more like a more successful Liu Bei. Frankly your only argument lies in "they're wearing blue, it's totally him" while forgetting that lately Cao Pi is not sporting a predominantly blue color scheme. |
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| Ryō Genken | Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:26 pm Post #1777 |
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Disciplined Mind
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The Cao Pi comprasion is more of his apparent haughty attitude Hidetada was shown in his render's pose. Nothing more nothing less. |
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| wodash | Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:37 pm Post #1778 |
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Cao Cao~Nobunaga: both have iconic face and mustaches, both likes to do things by brute force most of the time, also the first one of the 3 legendary rulers to rise to absolute power and also the first ones to kick the bucket Sun Quan~Hideyoshi: treats all of his subordinates as one big family, famous for having hpysiscal features that are not normal on both eras(Hideyoshi looks like an ape, Sun Quan is a "foreign devil" :doge:) Liu Bei~Ieyasu: known as the nicest out of the big thee, also have Zhang Fei on both person's service(Tadakatsu is always compared to Zhang Fei in terms of might) |
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| Zai Tong | Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:13 pm Post #1779 |
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Ieyasu nice him and hideyoshi are both utter A holes |
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| Makörë | Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:37 pm Post #1780 |
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Nothing more indeed, but less, a lot less. There are different types of haughty attitude, much like Zhenji, Cao Pi and Zhong Hui, for example, are different, if we are looking by his pose, he is closer to Zhong Hui and we haven't seen him in game to see what type he is. Also, lets be honest, with Ieyasu's whole bullshit "burden to bear", he is very unlikely to be actually haughty, and be more like his father, he wouldn't be the first one to appear to have a personality and have another completely different one. |
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| RPGNoZero | Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:42 pm Post #1781 |
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I don't think any of SW character has been similar to Cao Pi, aka, the "Cold-blooded Jerk Prince" stereotype. Both in personality and story. Judging from description of Hidetada's personality : "He is in a position to be heir, but due to his haughtiness and sarcasm, he his beyond his family’s control. Even to his father, Ieyasu, his attitude does not change. He has his first battle in the Battle of Sekigahara, where he leads a detached force together with Sanada Nobuyuki." Yeah, he sounds more like a spoiled incompetent rich kid. Cao Pi was cold, but he was pretty loyal to his family. He's competent enough for Cao Cao to trust him in Guan Du, and he actually did his mission. |
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| Beelzebub | Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:04 pm Post #1782 |
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Based on how the young young form is really arrogant and the way his older form looks, I have a feeling he will have a near death experience at Ueda, which teaches him about discipline, respect, and patience.
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| bluefiend | Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:56 pm Post #1783 |
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now here's an interesting line of thought! How is Nobuyuki the Cao Pi of SW? as far as I can see they're nothing alike. Oh by the way SRS, I read something about Hidetada attacking the Satake clan during the Sekigahara campaign, but before his attack on Ueda castle. Would you happen to know if that's true or not? Edited by bluefiend, Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:03 pm.
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| Ryō Genken | Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:04 pm Post #1784 |
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:59 pm Post #1785 |
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Yeah I don't see it. Nobuyuki isn't a ****, Cao Pi is. In fact Cao Pi's dickishness is one of the reasons I dislike how attracted Zhenji is to him. Doesn't make sense. ![]() As far as the Satake go, I personally remember reading that he was ordered to attack them before heading to Sekigahara, but I can't confirm. I've seemed to misplaced my Sekigahara book... |
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| bluefiend | Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:43 pm Post #1786 |
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Ah, that sucks. I hope it is true though. It'd increase the Satake's value as additions to the series, give Hidetada one more battle to fight(which he desperately needs) and would help to justify him going into the siege of Ueda with such an arrogant attitude. Plus I remember something about Yoshinobu Satake sending 300 troops + one of his brothers to help out the Uesugi to Hasedo, this could help justify that as well and give the Uesugi an ally in that battle. Edited by bluefiend, Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:43 pm.
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| SRS | Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:47 pm Post #1787 |
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It's not (just) the weapon. Cao Pi and Nobuyuki are close relatives to a character who is one of the original main characters of their respective games(Cao Cao and Yukimura) but are added several games later, both are husbands of a female character(Zhenji and Inahime) who has been in the series far longer than they have, both are involved in a defensive siege battle wherein they meet this girl and then wed her after the battle, both are coolheaded intelligent types who come to odds with their father's ways of doing things. There's probably more stuff but that's what comes to mind. |
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| wodash | Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:09 am Post #1788 |
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i haven't seen Cao Cao as the lone character in a DW gamebox ![]() they should totally do that tho, i'm sick of seeing Zhao Yun
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| SRS | Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:49 am Post #1789 |
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Alone, no, but he has been featured on the box and opening prominently before. Like the DW6Empires box. |
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| RPGNoZero | Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:53 am Post #1790 |
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Both also ruin their wife characterization once they came into the series. They basically went from strong standalone woman to just a support waifu for their husband. Though, at least Ina is more of the case of SSX, since they still have a lot of moment in the story before they married. Zhenji's character just completely get killed off. What's sad is that Koei did a decent job with her relationship with Cao Pi in DW5, but now they just ignore her. |
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| bluefiend | Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:53 am Post #1791 |
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Ina's character didn't totally die off with Nobuyuki, she still has a bunch of scenes before she even joins the Sanada that depicts her personality. After she joins the Sanada she's more of a background character, but that's not too bad considering she's already a defined character by that point. As for Zhen Ji, well I don't think she ever really had too much personality to begin with, all she ever had was one scene with Cao Ren in DW4, and that was 1 game before DW started to actually focus on story, and 2 games before the stories actually became good. The real problem with Ina is one that plagues a lot of SW characters: How they're personalities can completely change from game to game. Even if Nobuyuki's addition did completely destroy Ina's character we still couldn't say if that's what caused it for certain considering character in this series change personalities all the time. SW1-2 Nobunaga, SW1-2 Mitsuhide, SW2XL Magoichi, SW1-2 Oichi(yes, she aged, but she didn't just mature, she became a totally different person. She was the complete opposite of her SW1 self), SW1-3 Kunoichi, SW2-3 Ginchiyo, and SW2-3 Kotaro, SW1-2 Noh, as examples all end up with completely different personalities in later depictions. Which then causes problems because they can't mesh as well with the people they might have before.(Fuuma for example often notes how different Kotaro is now from how he was in SW2). I've gotta say that is something I prefer from DW; the characers personalities are a lot more consistent from game to game. Whereas with SW I might say Keiji is my favorite character one game, then hate him the next, which is rather annoying to say the least. |
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| SRS | Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:38 am Post #1792 |
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Ina's personality hasn't changed. She's always been the upright'n'uptight, clean-soul justice girl who gets flustered whenever faced with "furachi" or delinquent/vulgar situations. Seriously, furachi is like Ina's favorite word in Japanese. That and "seibai" which is judgment/punishment. Edited by SRS, Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:39 am.
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| Makörë | Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:32 am Post #1793 |
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Actually, in SW1XL, she felt like an independant woman who led her own forces and was strong in her own way. Afterwards, she became a boring idiot, with no personality, who wants to be like her father, but its so stupid that ends up being the first one to fall in almost every battle because of always charging forward for no reason. |
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| Raiko Z | Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:48 am Post #1794 |
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> Being an archer > Charges forward face to face Koei logic |
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| Zai Tong | Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:07 am Post #1795 |
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Was she really a bow girl cause soi she has a spear |
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| SRS | Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:52 am Post #1796 |
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I'm talking about her original Japanese depiction. It has not changed much at all, just her role. And the second half of what you said is just hyperbole. Like seriously, I just described her personality pretty clearly. Just keep in mind that you're talking to someone who obsessed over Inahime for a long time since before I first joined the site around the time SW2 was released in Japan, before the US version came out(I bought SW1XL literally just to play her because SW2 hadn't come out yet.) Played SW2 in raw Japanese so I do have a bit different POV, since some characters really do get changed in their portrayal in English release. Could not stand SW1 or SW3's dub, and SW2 only got half of it really well, the other half was a miss or meh. Koei's inability to keep a consistent dub cast for SW series probably affected people's experience of the character portrayals as well. In DW series, you had mainstays like Douglas Rye, Kirk Thornton, Lex Lang and Beau Billingslea. In SW they pulled from the DW pool, then they switched studios for SW2, and then switched again for SW3. |
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| NaotoraYinping281 | Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:17 am Post #1797 |
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It's a shame that Muramatsu is a confirmed UNPC, we shall see if another new character being announced soon. |
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| Katatonia | Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:49 am Post #1798 |
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IIRC, she wields a bow because of a historical event where she prevented Masayuki Sanada from entering Numata Castle (with his claim of wanting to see his grandkids), by shooting an arrow at his men |
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| Fūma | Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:32 pm Post #1799 |
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I'm pretty sure there might be even more new characters left: if you look at the character page, it clearly looks like there's an empty space left of Masayuki, where they'll probably place another important character of a clan not yet in the page. I'm guessing it'll be an Uesugi fellow, possibly Kanetsugu. And I'm fairly sure we'll see Hideyori, too. |
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:57 pm Post #1800 |
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Yeah I'm on the "I don't see Ina as boring" train with SRS here. She's pretty ******* badass. Sure she's not one to make sick burns or anything, but she's just a no-nonsense sort, and to make her the butt of jokes any more than she already is because of her upright manner would be to make her hot-blooded like Ginchiyo, which would take away what's special from her and from Ginchiyo. Honestly, I don't see any of the Samurai Warriors women as "boring" in any sort of way. Oichi you could maybe make a case for, but that's generally only when she's around one of her husbands or her brother -- she's quite the sassy thing around others. All the other girls are just fun- sometimes more than any of the given men you can play as in a stage where they're selectable (LOOKING AT YOU KYUSHU STORY). |
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