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| Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada | |
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| SRS | Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:54 pm Post #1801 |
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Yeah, there's a few male characters I would pick for the "boring" label over any of the ladies. |
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| bluefiend | Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:24 am Post #1802 |
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Like oh, I don't know...Yukimura? As for the Ina thing, I kind of want to replay her sw1xl story just to see if that's true. As far as I can remember she was uptight and upright even back then. But if I'm reading your posts correctly you're saying it's more like she claims to have the moral high ground and is the one to punish the evil doers who have taken the lower moral path? |
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| Katatonia | Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:54 am Post #1803 |
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She was brash and always rushing out to the battlefield in SW1XL, iirc. Her upper path had her deal with getting over that and becoming morally "straight and true" (i think that's her motto) and her lower path, succumbed to Kunoichi's teasing and became engulfed in her bloodlust after Iga Escape |
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| Amakusa | Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:06 am Post #1804 |
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The whole 'independent woman' thing describes Ginchiyo. Someone who gets in over their head describes Ina to a tee and she did that even in SW1XL which was the point of her Lower Path story; the Upper Path story is generally where most of the following games get their Ina material from where she eventually matures enough to see beyond what's in front of her. Both sides are contrasted in SW3 when she's paired with Yukimura in somewhat funny ways where it seems to Yukimura she's always rushing ahead and then from Ina's perspective it's Yukumura doing the same where by the end both of them are fairly reflective on what happened and how they got to where they ended up. Honestly this was probably when I found Yukimura his most interesting to date as when they redid the same situation in SW4 with Nobuyuki it came off a lot more one-sided in favor of Nobuyuki. As far as SW4 goes I just kind of accepted that Ina was out of focus which happens to everyone at some times; it's not like she's unrecognizable there. I'd say, though, her place in the Sanada family as of today was best depicted in the Chronicles games, and even there we don't really get much more than Nobuyuki saying she lights up his house. Unless that changes with Sanada Maru her being a part of the Sanada family is mostly treated like a footnote. |
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| Raiko Z | Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:41 am Post #1805 |
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Dynasty Recon Chinalands
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Ginchiyo was really cool in SW2. Moronized in SW3, even further moronized in SW4. When Koei adds her daddy in SW5, I bet she'll be like "I AM THE DAUGHTER OF THUNDER LORD!!!!", "DADDY OMGEEEEEEEEEE YOU SO KOOOOOLLLLZ!" |
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| Makörë | Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:48 am Post #1806 |
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Yeah, feminists would rage at Ginchiyo's situation. Added first as a strong independant woman, rival to Yoshihiro, then having her position taken by her husband and forced to follow him around as a comic relief. What a stupid downgrade. |
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| Katatonia | Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:54 am Post #1807 |
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She's fine in subsequent games from SW3. She and Muneshige are almost equals, she seems as fierce as she was in SW2 (well, almost there) but it's clear she wears the pants in her relationship with Muneshige. Even Wang Yi ships them
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:11 am Post #1808 |
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I still question if people even played as Ginchiyo in any of the stages she's available in and makes these broad statements about her being "moronized" or whatever. She's still freakin' awesome, just as much as she was in 2. Yeah, in 3, her story left a lot to be desired. But they fixed in in subsequent games. She's just *GASP* in love now! Shock and horror! ![]() I distinctly remember her being quite smart at Sekigahara in particular- even going as far as to chide Yoshihiro for not acting and screwing Mitsunari's strategy up. I could be remembering wrong but I swear I remember it. |
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| Makörë | Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:33 am Post #1809 |
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She IS moronized. Whenever she appears, she is just with Muneshige and all she does seems to be with his permission, as if she was completely submissive, even her rival was given to him. Not to mention, they always make her anger show her as stupid because of her submission, because it always seems like Muneshige ignores her completely due to her attitude. |
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| WarHawk | Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:34 am Post #1810 |
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I think people hate Muneshige for no reason. Yes, his absorbed Ginchiyo's role completely, but I think they still work as solid duo. |
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| Zai Tong | Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:40 am Post #1811 |
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I find muneshige boring and his lame jokes in the sw4 CAW mode Probably they are gonna add another semi unique character And yes there better be a older design for kanetsugu give him a beard Edited by Zai Tong, Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:46 am.
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| Makörë | Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:47 am Post #1812 |
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I don't hate Muneshige, hell, when he asked me to get naked with him in Chronicle Mode, I begged to heaven for an option to say yes (what a nice ass he may have... why don't we get towel costumes for the guys?). What I hate is how Ginchiyo, which was an unique character as a clan leader, was reduced to a mere joke because of her husband. Hell, even Oichi makes her husbands look patethic when she is near them, why can't Ginchiyo have a more solid personality towards her husband? |
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| bluefiend | Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:51 am Post #1813 |
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember SW1XL Ina as being incredibly level-headed and was never one to throw herself into the fray recklessly like everyone here seems to be suggesting, but idk, I'll see for myself tomorrow after playing through her story tomorrow; will report back then. I agree with Mew on Ginchiyo though, I do feel like She's back to how she was in the SW2 days. I also don't remember Ginchiyo needing Muneshige's permission for everything in SW4? Her charge against the Chosokabe was something she chose to do and did without Muneshige's permission(in the Chosokabe story), and she lead the battle against the Tokugawa on Kyushu after Sekigahara as well. They seemed more like equals to me when it came to battle, but Muneshige is still clearly the clan head so of course he gets final say when it comes to story/political related decisions, like the Tachibana being disbanded after Sekigahara or their general Sekigahara strategy of splitting up with one at Sekigahara and one at Otsu castle, and even then Ginchiyo's input is still significant. |
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| Amakusa | Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:58 am Post #1814 |
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Well she is pretty level headed in her Upper Path story, so I can't blame you for remembering that over the Lower Path story since it was that much better.
I hated him because of his weird personality quirks in SW3, but he's much better in every game afterward since all of that weird stuff got dropped.
Well you can't blame him for actually fulfilling his historical role. In any case in the SW4 series of games I took to calling them Superman and Wonder Woman and not for a derisive reason, so while I don't think they're the best characters they fill a sort of larger than life warrior duo role (which frankly whenever Koei tries the same with Tadakatsu and Ina it just looks silly). |
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| WarHawk | Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:31 pm Post #1815 |
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I am fine with them both now honestly, just need new opponent for Tachibana (Ryozoji/Nabeshima). In that way I see Yoshihiro as Ginchiyo's rival, while Naoshige should be opponent for Muneshige (they have kinda similar role/future clan position). |
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| SRS | Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:48 pm Post #1816 |
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Oh yes! The relationship dynamic between Yukimura and Ina in SW3 was one of my favorite parts of that game! It was also the first time we got to see Tadakatsu be more than the big tough defender of the Tokugawa. Edited by SRS, Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:49 pm.
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| UpInMahBubble | Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:14 pm Post #1817 |
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I like the way Ina was characterized in 4 where she was fiery and headstrong. I remember her being against Ieyasu serving under somebody as well as acting on impulse. Ginchiyo is a lot better in 4 than in 3. Just look at the kyushu opening. Muneshige gets the hell out of there when toyohisa dives in and she runs in to fight him. They're a perfect match for the red/blue character tropes that balance each other out |
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| Makörë | Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:03 pm Post #1818 |
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Toyohisa is not a rival to anyone, because he can't beat or offer a challenge to pretty much no one. The only thing that keeps him high on my opinion is the fact that he headshot Naotora. |
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| AntonKutovoi | Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:19 pm Post #1819 |
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Uh... Naomasa? Guy even admitted it himself in the end. |
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| Makörë | Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:35 pm Post #1820 |
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Everyone admits everything after the person dies. He just did it out of consideration, not because he considered an actual rival, its like a dying wish. |
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| wodash | Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:47 am Post #1821 |
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that's why the Shimazu descendants requested for Drifters to be made ![]() inb4 Drifters crossover DLC for Toyohisa in Sanadamaru
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:31 am Post #1822 |
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Eh, what? Toyohisa is pretty strong, man. The Shimazu story gave me that impression anyway- just, he wasn't able to hone it all that properly, due to his overeager nature. ... though that you're happy he shot Naotora sort of speaks to me... in a negative manner. Naotora is a wonderful character, reminds me a lot of myself, I'm not sure how her being shot is a good thing in any way shape or form.
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| Makörë | Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:44 am Post #1823 |
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Naotora is the most garbage representation of character that Koei could have ever made. Even Bao Sanniang is not as patethic or annoying. And no, Toyohisa is not shown as strong, he is only shown as hot headed and careless and completely unable to fight against anyone, since he gets beaten by pretty much any enemy. |
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| Beelzebub | Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:21 am Post #1824 |
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Dude,he has a six pack and can run and swing that weapon everywhere like a madman. Also, he was a challenge to Naomasa, he wounded severely in his ending and Naomasa was almost the one that died. Edited by Beelzebub, Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:22 am.
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| Rance | Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:29 am Post #1825 |
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He's kind of the token jobber though. He jobs to Tachibanas and Naomasa and only seems to win against a bunch of no name NPCs. The Shimazu story would obviously benefit a lot if Ryuzoji Takanobu, the Otomo, etc. were characters that could be taken seriously. |
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Naotora is a wonderful character, reminds me a lot of myself, I'm not sure how her being shot is a good thing in any way shape or form.


7:35 PM Jul 11