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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
Topic Started: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:15 pm (168,824 Views)
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:19 am
Having an opinion is fine. Posting it in a manner like you have which will get someone else up in arms, is not. Use some tact.

But going by your previous comments on not just Naotora but other female characters, you really don't seem to care to know them properly and just brush them off with an all-encompassing "they suck" attitude.

And your second comment about fatalities is just childish. Grow up.
As long as I'm not insulting anyone, I have all the right to post the way I damn well want. I suppose the forum has an ignore feature, if you don't like it, feel free to use it. If they are in arms, that is on THEM, not on me.

Oh, really? You seem to assume too much of too little. But tell me more, what kind of things about me do any of my posts show about me?

If you don't see the sarcasm, that is all on you. Grow up yourself, you forgot to develop your own brain, you're incomplete.
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Yo.

Enough of this, let's get back on topic
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I'm with Makore on this one. Naotora is a **** and I don't really see the problem with expressing that opinion. I have all the respect for Mew in the world but his waifu is a ****!!!!

I do think Naotora will actually become better with the introduction of Naomasa though. For one thing, I think they can focus Naotora on being more of an early game character. I'd like for them to expand a bit on the Imagawa story and Naotora will make a good support character for that role. She can also be with the Tokugawa early on before passing on leadership to her son, or something. I'd say anything pre Honnoji would be a good place for her, particularly if they expand upon that period more in general.

I don't think Naotora should play much of a role in Sanada Maru for this reason. And as for Chacha, I do think she is going to die. But it will probably be an off screen death like the cop out of Nobunaga walking into the flames and saying, "Heh, nothing personnel kid I was planning this all along."
Edited by Rance, Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:48 am.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:24 am
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Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:20 pm
I hope Katsuyori gets an epic death. Which he should considering he goes down fighting the Oda, Tokugawa, Hojo, as well as former Takeda and Imagawa vassals, that's every clan he ever interacts with excluding the Uesugi.
He commits seppuku after his failure at nagashino and goes back to Kai and kills himself
That'd be a shame considering we'd end up missing Otate no ran, battle of Omosu and his potential lu bu-lite "fight everyone" last stand.

Speaking of Tenmokuzan, I hope that rather than make it a giant stage(because if it is one, then it'll be one of the crappy "retreat the whole battle" stages), they just put Katsuyori in a single garrison, and at the beginning of the stage he opens the gates and simply fights enemy after enemy until he finally collapses and dies. Be great for self reflection too; as he could apologize to all the former takeda retainers that betrayed him as he treated them badly, he could talk to the former Imagawa retainers about everything that happened between them, reflect upon his relationship with the Hojo's and more specifically his actions at Otate-no-ran and whether or not he regrets it, get some closure with the Tokugawa's whom he brutally helped beat down at Mikatagahara and whom returned the favor at Nagashino, and give his final thoughts towards the Oda characters and the clan as a whole.

Tenmokuzan is pretty much the perfect book end to the Takeda clan and the "first half of the story"(In that it could work perfectly for a climax to the of the Oda era). Honnoji itself has always felt too small and self-contained to serve as any sort of climax like that, but it could work really well as a cliffhanger, or as the introduction of the next half of story.
Rance
Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:48 am
I'm with Makore on this one. Naotora is a **** and I don't really see the problem with expressing that opinion. I have all the respect for Mew in the world but his waifu is a ****!!!!

I do think Naotora will actually become better with the introduction of Naomasa though. For one thing, I think they can focus Naotora on being more of an early game character. I'd like for them to expand a bit on the Imagawa story and Naotora will make a good support character for that role. She can also be with the Tokugawa early on before passing on leadership to her son, or something. I'd say anything pre Honnoji would be a good place for her, particularly if they expand upon that period more in general.

I don't think Naotora should play much of a role in Sanada Maru for this reason. And as for Chacha, I do think she is going to die. But it will probably be an off screen death like the cop out of Nobunaga walking into the flames and saying, "Heh, nothing personnel kid I was planning this all along."
Expressing his opinion is fine, but insulting people while doing it? not so much.

I mean I don't like Naotora either but I'm not calling people idiots because of it or because someone else chooses to like her.

I also love the idea of Naotora as a pre-Honnoji character. In fact her timeline pretty much perfectly attaches her to the Takeda(as an ally while she's with the Imagawa, and as an enemy when she's with the Tokugawa), I'd love it if Masakage yamagata was added and they ended up being rivals who's battles against each other are what inspire Naomasa to carry on their legacy by wearing red. She could even end up pissed at Katsuyori for Masakage's death. Not because Masakage died, but due to how he died in that Katsuyori essentially sent him out there to die(even though Masakage protested twice). It could be another example of Katsuyori's bad treatment of his men coming back to bite him in the butt. Which could result in a nice moment at Tenmokuzan when he fights Naotora and they can let all there feelings out.
Edited by bluefiend, Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:18 am.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:03 am
Expressing his opinion is fine, but insulting people while doing it? not so much.

I mean I don't like Naotora either but I'm not calling people idiots because of it or because someone else chooses to like her.
I haven't insulted a single person in any of my posts, go ahead and quote me. I may actually starting calling people idiots now, though, because they're starting to show off. Ever tried actually reading anything I post? Otherwise, don't make any comments on it.
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^ If you don't see the sarcasm, that is all on you. Grow up yourself, you forgot to develop your own brain, you're incomplete.

That line is just 5 posts up dude. You're also being incredibly condescending as well, which is an insult in itself.

Why not take a break from the forums tonight?
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This is where it ends. SRS already told you to stop, so did Kat. So stop.

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Why many peoples dislike Naotora? She's one of my favorite characters and at least put her some minor stories in SM since she didn't get the attention much after passing the leadership to Naomasa. Anyway, I would like to see Chacha and Sasuke in actions on serve Toyotomi and Sanada respectively. Plus, I looking forward to see many characters aging.
Edited by NaotoraYinping281, Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:24 am.
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bluefiend
Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:20 am
^ If you don't see the sarcasm, that is all on you. Grow up yourself, you forgot to develop your own brain, you're incomplete.

That line is just 5 posts up dude. You're also being incredibly condescending as well, which is an insult in itself.

Why not take a break from the forums tonight?

I answered an insult with another. Why exactly are the complaints directed to me, then?

Mr.Honda
Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:22 am
This is where it ends. SRS already told you to stop, so did Kat. So stop.


I am doing nothing wrong to stop here. SRS, Kat and YOU should take a very good look at this conversation and see that I am being insulted and accused for absolutely no reason.
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Mr.Honda
Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:22 am
This is where it ends. SRS already told you to stop, so did Kat. So stop.

Fair enough.

Which means I get to choose the next topic!

What will Hidetada even do in this game? And will him being here help Munenori at all? Do you guys think they'll touch on his relationship with Cha-cha at all(siblings-in-law)? Or should they save that for when Oeyo gets in?
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Does anyone know if we will have CAW in this one?
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I'm seeing insults being thrown on both sides, regardless it all stops now.
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I don't think there's been any info about CAW yet. I don't think it'll happen myself, but you've got me thinking, both the CAW sword and spear are now playable via Hidetada and Katsuyori, yet Muramatsu isn't playable so what's going on with the Naginata? Are they saving if for another yet to be announced female character?
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I'm currently still waiting for yet another female character since Chacha and Muramatsu have joined the SW roster.
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Rance
Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:48 am
I'm with Makore on this one. Naotora is a **** and I don't really see the problem with expressing that opinion. I have all the respect for Mew in the world but his waifu is a ****!!!!

I do think Naotora will actually become better with the introduction of Naomasa though. For one thing, I think they can focus Naotora on being more of an early game character. I'd like for them to expand a bit on the Imagawa story and Naotora will make a good support character for that role. She can also be with the Tokugawa early on before passing on leadership to her son, or something. I'd say anything pre Honnoji would be a good place for her, particularly if they expand upon that period more in general.

I don't think Naotora should play much of a role in Sanada Maru for this reason. And as for Chacha, I do think she is going to die. But it will probably be an off screen death like the cop out of Nobunaga walking into the flames and saying, "Heh, nothing personnel kid I was planning this all along."
Ehh..i don't think Naomasa helps greatly to her personality. Maybe it's just his sucky personality & design. I personally wanted to see adversary/rival like Lady Otatsu to make Naotora better.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:40 am
I'm seeing insults being thrown on both sides, regardless it all stops now.
And you wonder why nobody respects the moderation on this forum? Nobody ever does anything about it which is why you let people keep slinging insults even at the moderators.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:00 am
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:40 am
I'm seeing insults being thrown on both sides, regardless it all stops now.
And you wonder why nobody respects the moderation on this forum? Nobody ever does anything about it which is why you let people keep slinging insults even at the moderators.
People don't respect the moderation when they are totally one-sided.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:37 am
Does anyone know if we will have CAW in this one?
that is a very good question, and honestly I hope it does. Having CAW in the majority of its games helps SW stand out against DW games which only has the feature in Empires games. And as one whos a huge fan of the CAW weapons, the long sword and twin swords, I hope the feature is in so I can use those movesets.
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Regarding Chacha:

I don't see why people think that she will be the main heroine.
She will be there at Odani and Shizugatake and in the ending.

However there is going to be a huge amount of time where she will just sit in Osaka castle.

Her role in the drama is limited to the beginning and ending as well.

I think they should add more female characters. Chacha's possible use is way too limited.
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Hey look, its everyone wants to tell moderators how to do their job night :D

I've already commented publicly (along with two other staff members) to drop this issue, the rest is/was being handled privately.

Now please, for the last time, continue on with discussing the game.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:18 am
Regarding Chacha:

I don't see why people think that she will be the main heroine.
She will be there at Odani and Shizugatake and in the ending.

However there is going to be a huge amount of time where she will just sit in Osaka castle.

Her role in the drama is limited to the beginning and ending as well.

I think they should add more female characters. Chacha's possible use is way too limited.
What's the difference between a character sitting in a castle and speaking during a battle and one that's on the battlefield outside and speaking?

Commanders almost always stay in one spot all battle, yet they always have plenty of dialogue/screentime.
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The problem is that I doubt that the game will show Chacha using diplomacy.
It will also probably disregard that she got control mostly due to presenting two sons.

Her life is more court drama like by gaining control via children.
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She also will be at Azuchi at least. And also between the battles, since this game isn't a stage based.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:23 am
Why many peoples dislike Naotora? She's one of my favorite characters and at least put her some minor stories in SM since she didn't get the attention much after passing the leadership to Naomasa. Anyway, I would like to see Chacha and Sasuke in actions on serve Toyotomi and Sanada respectively. Plus, I looking forward to see many characters aging.
I like SW's Naotora a lot too, her moveset is a beast (especially the musou) and she's quite a funny character (the high-pitched voice always makes me smile). Design-wise she looks good too.

The story Women of War in SW4-II was great too thanks to her and Gracia, it's one of my favorite stories in the series and showed they can still create hilarious fictional stages after how every stage in vanilla SW4 was just historical and serious.

I don't really see why some people here are disliking her :mellow: I do like SB's Naotora a lot as well and can't really decided which one is better. They're both good.
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:38 am
NaotoraYinping281
Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:23 am
Why many peoples dislike Naotora? She's one of my favorite characters and at least put her some minor stories in SM since she didn't get the attention much after passing the leadership to Naomasa. Anyway, I would like to see Chacha and Sasuke in actions on serve Toyotomi and Sanada respectively. Plus, I looking forward to see many characters aging.
I like SW's Naotora a lot too, her moveset is a beast (especially the musou) and she's quite a funny character (the high-pitched voice always makes me smile). Design-wise she looks good too.

The story Women of War in SW4-II was great too thanks to her and Gracia, it's one of my favorite stories in the series and showed they can still create hilarious fictional stages after how every stage in vanilla SW4 was just historical and serious.

I don't really see why some people here are disliking her :mellow: I do like SB's Naotora a lot as well and can't really decided which one is better. They're both good.
Her overall characterization is the problem. She contasntly think she never like to show off her assets and never really wanted to fight. But her design completely strays away from that. It's ok if she forced to fight for her clan and belief, but to actually wears that revealing armor is problematic. Can't be helped Koei also treat her as nothing but digital sex doll.
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