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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
Topic Started: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:15 pm (168,819 Views)
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"Protected by"? What the ****? "Hey, Chacha, I can keep you protected here on the outside, but I cannot be sure that you are protected inside, so I will put someone there to keep an eye for me." There you, go, Hideyori is made.
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Maya
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To describe the Hideyoshi-Chacha relationship as "Protection" is Bizarro World to me. God I hope that it's not completely whitewashed.
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I don't get why Koei makes it so complicated. Concubines were a pretty normal thing in several civilizations, it's not some dirty secret or anything, plus with Japan's love of harem anime it would probably be seen as something positive.
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Imagine that Hideyori is absent from the game even as unpc O_o Chacha will absorb his role in that case.
and there is a surprise character! Kennyo from Hongan-ji temple. *clap-clap* makes no sense. whatever...
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Maya
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Especially since they could easily include and explain Chacha as a concubine since Hideyoshi and Nene didn't have children. In her case they could empasize that without her Hideyoshi wouldn't have a child.
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That's a funny way to protect someone :lol:

GG, Koei
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Manjiimortal
Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:57 pm
I don't get why Koei makes it so complicated. Concubines were a pretty normal thing in several civilizations, it's not some dirty secret or anything, plus with Japan's love of harem anime it would probably be seen as something positive.

Fun fact, they allow incestual relationships in DW8E. Nice logic of them, incest can happen, even though its weird and controversial, but concubinage, something historical on a game based on history, nah.

Maya
Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:00 pm
Especially since they could easily include and explain Chacha as a concubine since Hideyoshi and Nene didn't have children. In her case they could empasize that without her Hideyoshi wouldn't have a child.

Yes, Koei seems to like making things difficult for no reason.
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:59 pm
Imagine that Hideyori is absent from the game even as unpc O_o Chacha will absorb his role in that case.
and there is a surprise character! Kennyo from Hongan-ji temple. *clap-clap* makes no sense. whatever...
i already foresee the trainwreck since day one, kinda amusing that people only started to spitting on this right now :doge:
Edited by wodash, Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:51 am.
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:54 pm
Perhaps they will pretend Hideyori doesn't exist XD.
this would be for the best.

Plus some historians speculate that Cha cha and Nene split up so that the Toyotomi would survive no matter what as many other clans were doing at the time, so they could go that route and leave out hideyori entirely.

Hideyori and cha cha already have the same role at Osaka anyway(which is the only place Hideyori has ANY role at all), there's no reason to have both of them.
Edited by bluefiend, Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:16 am.
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So it'll be possible to fight battles that aren't part of the whole Yukimura's story, complete with the 3D map explanation and all that. That's cool, I guess.
Can't wait to go fishing! Fishing Warriors when?
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:49 am
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:59 pm
Imagine that Hideyori is absent from the game even as unpc O_o Chacha will absorb his role in that case.
and there is a surprise character! Kennyo from Hongan-ji temple. *clap-clap* makes no sense. whatever...
i already foresee the trainwreck since day one, kinda amusing that people only started to spitting on this right now :doge:
Yeah, but people didn't expect (and, honestly, I still don't expect) Hideyori to be absent from the game. At least he will have his UNPC SW4II model.
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At least this game actually has female characters and some semblance of respecting character lifespans unlike other games I could name... :doge: Hideyori maybe being absent is small fry.

Anyway, I wouldn't count Hideyori out just because Chacha isn't romantically linked to Hideyoshi. They could just blur his connection to Chacha and in turn make her his protector rather than his mother.
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Now I think Hideyori will change his appearance, much like Hidetada, but I still hope he is at least UNPC. I can't really imagine that he is completely out of the story. Maybe he'll be just a kid.
The site still has that "System" tab with no info on it. What else could they put there?
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:28 pm
Anyone else notice in the official site that they still like to keep Sakon as part of the Takeda clan... why not ditch that fictional servitude now that we have got several new additions who will be part of the Takeda story, like Masayuki, Katsuyori, Lady Muramatsu and even Sasuke?
I noticed about Sakon being part of Takeda Clan, but it doesn't bother me as much. He probably won't get decent role once Koei add Takeda Generals like Masakage Yamagata or other generals.
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i think its odd how Koei is lumping Muramatsu with the rest of the playable characters on the website when she her self is not playable. Its very confusing, and extremely misleading. there isnt even anything on her character page indicating she isnt playable.

I'm starting to get this sneaking suspicion that the famitsu article stating she isn't playable was wrong.
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:45 pm
How do they explain Hideyori then?
Storks bro.

I also find it kind of odd that Todo is under the Toyotomi. While technically correct, it kind of flies in the face of their previous portrayal in SW4. Are they just going to completely redo Todo's story?

I feel like if that's their goal, they really need to add Chosokabe Morichika. Morichika could be a persistent antagonist in Todo's story, beginning with the Shikoku campaign and culminating in the battle in which Takatora lost several of his sons fighting Morichika.

At this point, I'm doubtful that will happen...which is a shame. Todo is their third most popular character. This is a really good opportunity for them to expand upon his story since he was an active participant in the Osaka sieges.
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I also find it kind of odd that Todo is under the Toyotomi. While technically correct, it kind of flies in the face of their previous portrayal in SW4. Are they just going to completely redo Todo's story?


Todo being a Toyotomi officer isn't new actually. Chronicles 3 has Todo be a very, very bitter Toyotomi officer throughout most of the story. Only at the end of Hideyoshi's life does he offer to defect, saying he never had any respect for Hideyoshi to begin with.


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"Protected by"? What the ****? "Hey, Chacha, I can keep you protected here on the outside, but I cannot be sure that you are protected inside, so I will put someone there to keep an eye for me." There you, go, Hideyori is made.


Thank you. That was very funny :)

I think I already voiced my expectation on just this outcome back when Chacha was first revealed. Whatever his historical self was(and I'd argue you could certainly do worse as far as Sengoku warlords go) SW Hideyoshi just isn't a scumbag. Him taking in and protecting the daughter of an old comrade and the niece of his old lord seems perfectly in character for Hideyoshi.

Is that white washing as someone in this topic called it? Maybe but it fits perfectly with what we know of SW Hideyoshi.

But I admit I'm curious on how they are going to explain Hideyori's mother. I suspect they won't even mention the subject actually. I don't believe they even did so in any of the other games either.
Edited by Kuroda Kanbei, Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:22 pm.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:00 am
i think its odd how Koei is lumping Muramatsu with the rest of the playable characters on the website when she her self is not playable. Its very confusing, and extremely misleading. there isnt even anything on her character page indicating she isnt playable.

I'm starting to get this sneaking suspicion that the famitsu article stating she isn't playable was wrong.
But it would make sense. She doesn't seem to have a weapon, and its said that they would make her a DLC as playable later, maybe they're just testing this type of DLC.
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They've BS'ed around Hideyori before, in SW2E, he had personal conversations with Oichi and Nagamasa, where Nagamasa was a proud grandpappy and Oichi was confused and shocked at even the slightest idea of being a grandmami-of course it was done for comic effect, but still an idea.

I think Koei is still confused about what to do with him. They've decided that there isn't going to be any romance with Chacha and Hideyoshi (i think they said that, right?) Hideyoshi would take Chacha in though, because he's supposed to be generally nice (though Todo seems to call him out on all his shenanigans-Wang Yi to Ma Chao effect), but it gets weird because we all know the history, we know that eventually something happened and Chacha had his child.

So where does this leave Oichi and Nagamasa? They'll be in like one or two stages (presumably as enemies) or something, and then die and then fall into Free Mode hell. But hey, they're suddenly grandparents! And how does this fall into Koei's narrative? It really doesn't, but it looks awkward because Oichi is so young looking still and her standing next to a playable or UNPC Hideyori who looks close to her age would be terribly awkward.

Honestly, I'd be totally ok with him not showing up and having Chacha take his role-give a girl something to do, ya know ;)
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I really don't think Hideyori's age and Nagamasa's and Oichi's appearance is a problem. They died really young, after all. Especially Nagamasa, who was 28. Oichi was 36, when she died.
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Yeah, neither Oichi nor Nagamasa lived at the same time as Hideyori. Nagamasa died first, then Oichi died with Katsuie and only after Chacha went to the Toyotomi.
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Episode 42 of Sanadamaru.

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Senhime is cute.

Saddest scene of today for me:

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Yukimura returns to the archive/library room at Osaka castle where Yoshitsugu and Mitsunari usually hanged out sometimes with Yukimura... :sad:

The Yukimura-Yoshitsugu-Mitsunari bond was well done in the drama. I loved their interactions.
I hope that the game will at least make this bond well developed since the chart on the webpage does hint that the game copies this bond from the drama.

spoilerific:
According to spoilers I read Kiri will be involved in the story of Senhime (is it really necessary to include this character into every scenario?) and Sasuke and Date Masamune will be involved in trying to bring Akihime and her kids into safety.

I can however understand why Masamune might appear since Umehime married Katakura Shigenaga and Yukimura's and Akihime's second son Morinobu/Daihachi was adopted by the Katakura clan.
Also to include the school yard rivarly between Yukimura and Masamune.

Hideyori, Yodo, Yukimura and Daisuke will apparently all die in the last episode.
Edited by Maya, Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:31 pm.
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I don't know who Daisuke is, but in a drama that leads to Ösaka, the deaths of Hideyori, Chacha and Yukimura don't need spoilers.
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:12 pm
I don't know who Daisuke is, but in a drama that leads to Ösaka, the deaths of Hideyori, Chacha and Yukimura don't need spoilers.
Daisuke Sanada is Yukmura's son.
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Who followed Hideyori and Yodo into death, yes. He is also known as Yukimasa which is Masayuki's Name in reverse.
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