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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:41 am
Was Chacha meant to be cross-eyed or did Koei mess up her model?
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That's typical manga/anime eye stuff
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:43 am
So apparently Hideyori really isn't in the game at all. The forces in Osaka are labelled as the Toyotomi remnant(or restoration force? Not sure on that part) rather than the Toyotomi clan.
Now this disappoints me. They could've easily danced around the "HIDEYOSHI AND CHACHA DID IT" thing and just have Chacha really care about Hideyori. They do that well enough with Kaihime who always shows up at Osaka too.

I mean Yodo-gimi was more or less the holder of real power at Osaka but to completely ditch Hideyori when he already exists... That's just sad.
Chacha doesn't look cross-eyed there to me, she's just looking towards the shoulder pf the "cameraman".
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:07 am.
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Hideyori's absence is for the better. He's a completely useless character. They might as well make Chacha the successor to Hideyoshi at this point. She's a more compelling character anyways and does not benefit at all from Hideyori being around and usurping her role as CiC.
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I personally find it weird. Hideyori is absent from the game espicially when he was a Unique NPC in SW4-2 and a NPC in SW4 as the commander of sorts at Osaka. and i admit i would not expect him to be added as a playable anytime soon in the future. It still seems weird when His Mother is Playable and present.


I sure Chacha will do just find as the one Leading Osaka, given some stories say she has led the battle or was one of the reasons Osaka occured. though i could be totally wrong here i am just going by from what i remember.
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:43 pm
Really? I'm honestly struggling to find a reason why would I ever buy this game. It doesn't seem to bring much new besides a few battles that all look weird and two new movesets.
Yukimura Den is the way to go :beard:
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Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:29 am
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:43 pm
Really? I'm honestly struggling to find a reason why would I ever buy this game. It doesn't seem to bring much new besides a few battles that all look weird and two new movesets.
Yukimura Den is the way to go :beard:
I have the same opinion.

I was hyped at first, but now that I saw some gameplay and have more information, I'm gonna pass. At least until the western version.

YukiDen it's short, it's true, but Old Asia is right, it's the way to go. :doge:
Edited by Lazaroth, Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:08 pm.
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Ah being a classic Basarastan once again, dear.
Never fail to amuse me. :toyo:
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Damn, this game is dialogues heavy. After Odawara there's literally an hour of dialogues and cutscenes with rising tension, things falling apart and Chacha desperately trying to keep everything together.
Edited by AntonKutovoi, Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:47 pm.
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Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:11 am
I just couldn't believe Oichi would allow chacha to see that in the first place!
LoL. Oichi can't make ChaCha do anything. ChaCha's personality changes very little from child to adult, she's entirely self-possessed and kind of a stone faced bi*ch. I like her alot.
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:24 am
I check the website I gave you ... and no Sekigahara :/
Sekigahara is in the game.
Kyushu isn't (Shikoku still in, since it's a part of Chacha-Gracia story arc)
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:22 am
By chance if anyone playing the game, did they bring CAW or they took it out? I haven't seen it so far yet.

Danggggg.... that Sasuke's moveset. His weapon was definitely got my attention.
Looks like they took CAW out in this game. Anyone ever notice that while you're fighting as Sasuke he keeps his mask on, but musou-wise he takes it off?
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I guess they made Katsuyori and Hidetada playable because of CAW's removal. Its still bad that they didn't make characters to use the other three movesets.
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No, absolutely don't go with Yukimura-den unless you're the specific audience they were clearly marketing to.

Yukimura-den is horse **** in terms of narrative- just another "Yukimura and Masamune are faaaated rivalssss" romp with Masayuki and Nobuyuki shoved into the middle of it. It claims to hold true to history, then eschews that by having Toshiie and Katsuie show up during Tenmokuzan (for no apparent reason at that, they seem to really want to push their relationship to the point that they don't even let Toshiie have Matsu with him), Hanbei alive at the Siege of Odawara, and just throwing in another aribitrary ******* Chosokabe vs. Mouri fight at Osaka- where Motochika is a Tokugawa support and Mouri mother****ing Motonari is a 118 year old entering the Toyotomi-remnants vs. Tokugawa fight as a third party.

That's not even getting into the major plot point I mentioned of Yukimura being rivals with Masamune since ******* childhood- a whole damn stage is devoted to an entirely fictional affair where Bontenmaru and Benmaru met each other during a Sanada family trip to Oushuu being broken up by some bandits. But then it also uses that "hiiiistoryyyyy" excuse to completely eschew both Shingen (a very important character to Yukimura in the Basara plot) and female characters (who are criminally underused in the series as-is) from the plot. It also completely underplays several significant parts of the Sanada story- the Sanada being subordinates of the Uesugi for one, and for some reason treats Masamune as a more significant character in Yukimura's life than Sasuke. Yeah Sasuke is fictional but at least he has some basis in history- Masamune and Yukimura's sole connections are that their armies fought at Osaka and then Yukimura sent his daughter to live with Masamune so she could live on.

So basically it eschews history in all the wrong places, and adheres to it in detrimental ways.

Really, unless you're a YukiMasa shipper, there's zero point to owning it. Or I guess, a Matabei fan, because they actually handle his story pretty well from what I've watched on youtube. And Ujimasa appears as an NPC which is... nice I guess. I like Ujimasa. He should be playable though. Absolutely no reason he shouldn't be when babby Yuki and Masa are lacking two supers like he is. And even then he doesn't even appear at Odawara, that's all fighting Toyotomi people for some reason.

Oh yeah, and, gameplay wise? It's really no better than Sumeragi, just stick with that, it has a hell of a lot more content, both gameplay and storywise. Yeah it has that Sanada Trials thing, but from what I've seen, it's not much deeper than the Naotora dojo stage in all honesty. And let's be real, Nobuyuki and Masayuki will inevitably be playable in the next mainline Basara which is guaranteed to be better than Yukiden.

... whew. :ot: Sorry, I just have very strong opinions against Yukiden.
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:49 am.
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^all this, and the fact that the Sanada storyline took me about 8 hours total, the rest of the game consists of a needlessly difficult endless tower and one level individual 'storys' for the other characters involved in the main story. For the price of a regular game you get very little.
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Not to be a nuisance but is Sanada Maru multiplayer?
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No, no multiplayer.

Anyone with the game. I'm a couple of scenarios past the KagekatsuVSSaburo level, i've switched to young Yuki for one of his tiresome item collection stages, there are three generic officers at the end of the level who rush at you, i followed the prompts, but level ends and i lose? Any suggestions.
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lol, I should have known YukiDen sucked. Sengoku BASARA was always terrible at storytelling and historical accuracy, so I never expected much from that mess. I guess my adventures on the SW4 line will end when I get SW4E.
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I think both of these games suck and are disappointments.

Maya has posted a billion examples of how they could have taken interesting ideas from the drama. Instead, they added a handful of characters and then called it a day. They also changed practically nothing about the gameplay. It's practically the same **** with zero innovation. This might as well be DLC for SW4. In fact, I think it should have been. They should have just added 2-3 $10.00 DLC packs featuring the scenarios and new characters from Sanada Maru. I don't see why this game is worth full price for anybody except someone who has never played a SW4 related game.

Now that KOEI can't do Xtreme Legends because of Capcom's lawsuit, they have managed to up the ante on their avarice. They've produced 5 different SW4 games at this point: SW4, SW4-2, SW Chronicles 3, SW4: Empires and now SW4: Sanada Blowjob. Let that sink in.
Edited by Rance, Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:59 am.
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Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:43 am
No, absolutely don't go with Yukimura-den unless you're the specific audience they were clearly marketing to.

Yukimura-den is horse **** in terms of narrative- just another "Yukimura and Masamune are faaaated rivalssss" romp with Masayuki and Nobuyuki shoved into the middle of it. It claims to hold true to history, then eschews that by having Toshiie and Katsuie show up during Tenmokuzan (for no apparent reason at that, they seem to really want to push their relationship to the point that they don't even let Toshiie have Matsu with him), Hanbei alive at the Siege of Odawara, and just throwing in another aribitrary ******* Chosokabe vs. Mouri fight at Osaka- where Motochika is a Tokugawa support and Mouri mother****ing Motonari is a 118 year old entering the Toyotomi-remnants vs. Tokugawa fight as a third party.

That's not even getting into the major plot point I mentioned of Yukimura being rivals with Masamune since ******* childhood- a whole damn stage is devoted to an entirely fictional affair where Bontenmaru and Benmaru met each other during a Sanada family trip to Oushuu being broken up by some bandits. But then it also uses that "hiiiistoryyyyy" excuse to completely eschew both Shingen (a very important character to Yukimura in the Basara plot) and female characters (who are criminally underused in the series as-is) from the plot. It also completely underplays several significant parts of the Sanada story- the Sanada being subordinates of the Uesugi for one, and for some reason treats Masamune as a more significant character in Yukimura's life than Sasuke. Yeah Sasuke is fictional but at least he has some basis in history- Masamune and Yukimura's sole connections are that their armies fought at Osaka and then Yukimura sent his daughter to live with Masamune so she could live on.

So basically it eschews history in all the wrong places, and adheres to it in detrimental ways.

Really, unless you're a YukiMasa shipper, there's zero point to owning it. Or I guess, a Matabei fan, because they actually handle his story pretty well from what I've watched on youtube. And Ujimasa appears as an NPC which is... nice I guess. I like Ujimasa. He should be playable though. Absolutely no reason he shouldn't be when babby Yuki and Masa are lacking two supers like he is. And even then he doesn't even appear at Odawara, that's all fighting Toyotomi people for some reason.

Oh yeah, and, gameplay wise? It's really no better than Sumeragi, just stick with that, it has a hell of a lot more content, both gameplay and storywise. Yeah it has that Sanada Trials thing, but from what I've seen, it's not much deeper than the Naotora dojo stage in all honesty. And let's be real, Nobuyuki and Masayuki will inevitably be playable in the next mainline Basara which is guaranteed to be better than Yukiden.

... whew. :ot: Sorry, I just have very strong opinions against Yukiden.
Sorry dear. But remember the gameplay...GAMEPLAY, dear. Sure everything else looks good but to them...the gameplays??
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lol, I should have known YukiDen sucked. Sengoku BASARA was always terrible at storytelling and historical accuracy, so I never expected much from that mess. I guess my adventures on the SW4 line will end when I get SW4E.
I'll agree that Basara sucks at historical accuracy but I don't think it sucks at storytelling. A good number of it's characters individual stories are actually fun to follow(like the whole Mitsunari/Masamune rivalry in 3), Oichi's entire storyline, Yukimura's stories in some of the games are pretty good as well. They just aren't accurate is all.

That said the Yukimura/Masamune thing in Basara is getting pretty tired by this point, they really need to either spice it up, end it, or put it on hold for a while(give Naotora vs Yukimura some focus, and give Masamune something else to do in the meantime as well).

@Rance: it sounds like you didn't adjust your expectations for these games? They were always meant to have a more narrow focus than the main games while still using the same gameplay systems. I don't know how you ever came to the conclusion that they'd offer more?
Edited by bluefiend, Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:15 am.
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Personally Sengoku Basara definitelly needs to be spiced up. its losing its well flair it had. the Yukimura and Masamune rivarly is cool and all if u havent played the games since the first one. but at this point its getting dull and should try to spice things up a little. like IDK maybe make another a totally new rivarly that isnt Yukimura or Masamune or add a new antagonist that isnt Hideyoshi, Nobunaga or Mitsunari. just something that would help bring some well need flair to it.


Story Wise its good not terrible but not great either. and i never played Sengoku Basara for Historical Accuracy i think thats what makes it fun and unique and i personally prefer Samurai Warriors tho, which to some degree does follow history but not 100%.



@Rance: as for expecting. the gameplay to change. i think that is putting expectations too High. from my experience with both Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors. expansions or even Spin-Offs. are not meant to change the core gameplay they never have and never will. they add new characters, new story-line to some degree, some new mechanics and so forth. but for the most part the general gameplay is the same.


Like i may be wrong here but SW4's only new mechancis were the Hyperspeed and the Items thing. and changing the musou attacks to being similiar to DW. but other then that they were just upgraded and remained the same. which i personally dont mind as it keeps the game like it is and while many may argue its repetitive, which i wont argue it is but same can apply to sengoku basara and some other games. to me the warriors game are more like games to turn your brain off to a degree and have fun being a one man army.


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and frankly while i think the whole SW4 thing should of ended with SW4: Empires i personally like the fact Sanadamaru brought in Masayuki, Sasuke, Chacha, Hidetada, and Katsuyori as playables since i been wanting them in the game for a while.

but i also think Sanadamaru is probably should be the last game for the SW4 Era so we can finally get Dynasty Warriors 9 since people been wanting that for a while now.
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@Rance: it sounds like you didn't adjust your expectations for these games? They were always meant to have a more narrow focus than the main games while still using the same gameplay systems. I don't know how you ever came to the conclusion that they'd offer more?


You're right. I should just have low expectations with KOEI.

Remind me why this wasn't just DLC again?
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@Rance: it sounds like you didn't adjust your expectations for these games? They were always meant to have a more narrow focus than the main games while still using the same gameplay systems. I don't know how you ever came to the conclusion that they'd offer more?


You're right. I should just have low expectations with KOEI.

Remind me why this wasn't just DLC again?
Because KOEI is money hungry:)
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This isn't dw9 SW hasn't at all said oh were going to change things up maybe with sw5 they will after dw9 but right now if any of you expected major change well tsk tsk
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I think both of these games suck and are disappointments.

Maya has posted a billion examples of how they could have taken interesting ideas from the drama. Instead, they added a handful of characters and then called it a day. They also changed practically nothing about the gameplay. It's practically the same **** with zero innovation. This might as well be DLC for SW4. In fact, I think it should have been. They should have just added 2-3 $10.00 DLC packs featuring the scenarios and new characters from Sanada Maru. I don't see why this game is worth full price for anybody except someone who has never played a SW4 related game.

Now that KOEI can't do Xtreme Legends because of Capcom's lawsuit, they have managed to up the ante on their avarice. They've produced 5 different SW4 games at this point: SW4, SW4-2, SW Chronicles 3, SW4: Empires and now SW4: Sanada Blowjob. Let that sink in.
This game is huge, though. "Handful of characters and call it a day"? Really? It's almost as big as SW4's story mode. It's worth full price just fine.
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