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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
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About Hideyori - I suspect that he was planned, but eventually the idea was scrapped due to the time constraints. While he is absent from the main story, he is casually mentioned in the epilogue - there's a child's song being sang about Hideyori and Yukimura and it bothers Hidetada.
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Actually, things being a popularity contest is something that is a creeping problem even in SW, it's just that SB was more blatant about it, if you're not popular, to the chopping block you go (Poor Nouhime and Ranmaru). In the case of SW, while Koei doesn't have a chopping block, they do give the popular ones more preferential bonuses.


I think this has an additional problem with series like Samurai Warriors or in another case Fire emblem.
Its generally the opinion of the Japanese fans that is taken into account while the Western opinion takes a clear backseat. That's a bit of a problem because tropes like Bishies or Tsundere's that the Japenese just love are far more controversial in the west. There is some logic in giving the eastern fans the most focus but western audiences aren't as tiny as they used to be.

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well this doesn't spell well for someone who actually liked something like Tokugawa. Like me


I think Ieyasu has been handled incredibly fair as far as Samurai Warriors goes. His pretty rival is the most popular character, the poster boy is his enemy and Ieyasu himself is old and fat. The temptation is probably there to demonize Ieyasu to make the popular characters all the more justified but the reverse is happening. Every game Ieyasu is getting more and more benevolent, to the point where Mitsunari looks a bit silly when he goes on about what a villain Ieyasu is.
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No, it's not. Actually playing the game and experiencing the story yourself is much more enjoyable than watching some random dude incompetently play the game and talking useless garbage all the time. You have no control how the game plays out in situation where the player is given a choice.
the thing is watching other people play and playing SW by yourselves barely has any difference, since there's only so much you can do with a character anyways

and what choice? ever since SW2 they had taken away multiple missions/paths anyways, they are pretty much streamlined

plus when i say watch on YT i mean just the cutscenes obviously, for me.

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I see people comparing this game to Sanada-den, let's put a few facts on the table about that game:
- There's only 2 new characters and their movesets are incomplete

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@wodash: I was talking about video games in general. It's much more fun actually playing games that give the player plenty of choices (for instance in how the story progresses) rather than just passively someone else play it. But if you talk about cutscenes only, then yeah, I can't really disagree with that :P

I guess I'll put my response to spoilers as well to avoid overcrowding the page with slightly off-topic stuff lol.

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:22 pm
@wodash: I was talking about video games in general. It's much more fun actually playing games that give the player plenty of choices (for instance in how the story progresses) rather than just passively someone else play it. But if you talk about cutscenes only, then yeah, I can't really disagree with that :P
well since we are in the Sanada Maru topic i was specificaly talking about it, on the issue that you quoted the first time around

as for watching someone else playing the game, well i'll prolly check out some short movelist vid for all of the "new" characters(since KT doesn't officially do that for this one, oddly)and then just look for cutscenes of the english release later, there's no way i'm going to put my eyes into torture again seeing godspeed spamming for hours, i have already experienced enough for a lifetime firsthand by playing SW4-II....

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I guess I'll put my response to spoilers as well to avoid overcrowding the page with slightly off-topic stuff lol.
pretty much, it's already crowded enough as it is with people quoting gigantic posts without trimming them

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Hey everyone! I was wondering, if anyone has the art/ data book for this game, could they post some of the concepts of the new characters? I'd love to see what they had in mind for ChaCha etc. prior to the costumes they have now :-)
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Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:33 pm
I think Ieyasu has been handled incredibly fair as far as Samurai Warriors goes. His pretty rival is the most popular character, the poster boy is his enemy and Ieyasu himself is old and fat. The temptation is probably there to demonize Ieyasu to make the popular characters all the more justified but the reverse is happening. Every game Ieyasu is getting more and more benevolent, to the point where Mitsunari looks a bit silly when he goes on about what a villain Ieyasu is.
I think I forgot to list in my post that Koei's down-to-earth approach actually benefits the Tokugawa even if he's opposing Yukimura, for reasons like you said, he gets a fair treatment. And heck, even if Capcom went over the top, they still made Ieyasu look un-demonized. For all its flaws Yuki-den has, I think I know that they still kept their Ieyasu in-character.

On topic though, I'm a bit disappointed that Hidetada ended up as just UNPC (or a guy with NPC moveset when he's unlocked), but... yeah. Sanada-Maru already has a lot more contents than Yukimura-den. No cookies for which one I choose.
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Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:33 pm
I think Ieyasu has been handled incredibly fair as far as Samurai Warriors goes. His pretty rival is the most popular character, the poster boy is his enemy and Ieyasu himself is old and fat. The temptation is probably there to demonize Ieyasu to make the popular characters all the more justified but the reverse is happening. Every game Ieyasu is getting more and more benevolent, to the point where Mitsunari looks a bit silly when he goes on about what a villain Ieyasu is.
I think I forgot to list in my post that Koei's down-to-earth approach actually benefits the Tokugawa even if he's opposing Yukimura, for reasons like you said, he gets a fair treatment.
Everyone in Samurai Warriors these days gets fair treatment, even the self-proclaimed Villain of Sengoku Hisahide Matsunaga has some redeeming value to him.

It's a far cry to how the original game handled things where Ieyasu Tokugawa was a blatant snake and looked like Cookie Monster, and now he looks like your favorite Grandpa. I'm not so sure that really affects how he's looked upon in Japan (that is his traditional look, after all), but it does wonders for his Western perception where people around those areas don't have a familial connection to his family's regime.

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On topic though, I'm a bit disappointed that Hidetada ended up as just UNPC (or a guy with NPC moveset when he's unlocked)

It doesn't matter as much as how much of a fair shake he's gotten this time around. It's not like the generic movesets are particularly bad or anything.
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And I actually like him given a down-to-earth, fairer portrayal. I don't know, the chubby Hidetada in the anime may have quite some fans, but I think it is one of the reasons why I never bothered with the SW anime, because it is what happens when one-sided favoritism that I mentioned all along is actually at helm of the characterization, if they don't target Ieyasu, they will target his son to 'being made to look bad' for glorifying the Sanada. No offense to those who likes Chubbytada, it's just... not hitting me in the right spots (or maybe hitting me in the WRONG spots)
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Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:17 am
And I actually like him given a down-to-earth, fairer portrayal. I don't know, the chubby Hidetada in the anime may have quite some fans, but I think it is one of the reasons why I never bothered with the SW anime, because it is what happens when one-sided favoritism that I mentioned all along is actually at helm of the characterization, if they don't target Ieyasu, they will target his son to 'being made to look bad' for glorifying the Sanada. No offense to those who likes Chubbytada, it's just... not hitting me in the right spots (or maybe hitting me in the WRONG spots)
I definitely agree there. I watch the anime but i never cared for Hidetada's design, his personality was okay. But if they went Chubbytada i honestly think fans would of bashed on Him and Ieyasu because of "them looking bad" and glorifying the sanada. because that was bound to happen if they did that. So actually glad they went with his design in Sanadamaru.


i just never felt a attachment to the anime design. so i definitely like the down-to-earth design better.
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Well my reason for raging on new Hidetada is mostly due to it being so damn pandering with one of the major group...Fujoshi. You know how theey were against non-handsome men. <_<
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I don't know, the fujoshi people are ok with Xiahou Yuan, and he's not what one would call handsome-even though I think he is :lol: and they like Sakon, who's rather...rugged, is that the word?
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I don't know, the fujoshi people are ok with Xiahou Yuan, and he's not what one would call handsome-even though I think he is :lol: and they like Sakon, who's rather...rugged, is that the word?
His son kind of help. Plus we're dealing with SW fanbase NOT DW fanbase. DW fanbase are more varied and accepting fujos..SW..not so much and may partly due to Basara.
But who knows...i was hoping they add Torii Mototada in the next game and boom his popuparity rises. Cause as of right now..really appearances matter in SW Fujos.
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Katsuie Shibata kinda looks like Xiahou Yuan and wears less clothing, but he's pretty low on the list. Musashi Miyamoto is handsome and topless and he's like last place, so it really does vary. I mean the top 4 is generally going to stay as Mitsunari, Takatora, Yoshitsugu and Yukimura, but the rest is scattered
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Yeah i dont know how the popularity poll was for SW3 but i was certain Yukimura and Mitsunari both were included, and now with the inclusion of Takatora, Yoshitsugu. those four are bound to stay in the top 10. while the female popularities vary from what i notice.


and admit the fujoshi do seem to be a major focus or they seem to like certain male characters over others, either bcuz they like them better then the basara versions or something else entirely i cant place.


Musashi Miyamoto was popular back during his initial debut but now he is not as popular given how the cast has increased to like 60 or 61 by now. and he is in dead last. it does vary depending on the fans interest.


I wouldnt mind if they made at least a few male characters look well not "Handsome" even if a little bit. but will that happen i am not really sure since SW and DW both usually have plenty of pretty boys or decent looking male characters. if anything Takakage would be a good start of changing him from a pretty boy to someone older.
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Pandering the fujoshis is one thing, but the thing about Chubbytada to me seemed more about the anime characters needing to glorify the Sanada further, but they are not allowed to damage the common target for it (Ieyasu), so they went to the next thing that hasn't been officially made playable (Hidetada). It may vary to others, but that's a big problem for me.

My definition for fujoshi isn't when it's merely a pretty/handsome boy, but when the homoerotic subtext gets cranked up to eleven. It's one thing that Koei usually avoids doing compared to Capcom. Really, do we get 'fated rival extreme bromance' out of Koei? Even if there is, Capcom's version would've beaten it out of tar. Especially their treatment of the other gender (female). I guess people have different limits

Y'know, I'd feel a little hypocritical here, because had the gender be flipped around (so instead of majorly male with yaoi subtext, it's majorly female with yuri subtext), I might end up not making a big fuss or annoyance. So yeah, not really sure how to feel about it. Guess I am a breed of fujoshi on my own.
Edited by ChrisX, Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:00 am.
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Different kind of bromances with Koei, I'd say. It's more so the guys who stick together through thick and thin; Xiahou Dun/Cao Cao, Zhou Tai/Sun Quan, Zhou Yu/Sun Ce, Masamune/Kojuro, you even have Ujiyasu/Kotaro in that vein, too. The only "fated rivals" I've really seen was Toyohisa/Naomasa...actually, I think even Yukimura/Ieyasu fits that bill too. I even see more lady flirting in Koei games than Basara(minus the not so subtile Maria/Naotora)

I mean hell, Naotora took her top off for Oichi :lol: I think Kai and someone else was there too
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Yeah, that just reminds me how much when I see Toyohisa and Naomasa 'interact', it was more like "Wow. Did the Basara edition of Yukimura and Masamune transfer here?" But again, they take a more down to earth approach that I appreciate. At least Yoshihiro probably only hits Toyohisa on the face once, instead of all the time like SB edition of Shingen to Yukimura.

There's a LOT I gotta say in between those stuffs-- (SHAMELESS PROMOTION TIME) That's why this is a thing.
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http://nobu201x.gamecity.ne.jp/Server/html/news/web_news.php?id=1010

could someone please explain this please? I dont ... what?

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Looks like the futuristic version of that Nobunaga's Ambition game is getting Sanadamaru costumes
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So do any of the Sanada kids by Yukimura and nobuyuki make an appearance ?
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Pandering the fujoshis is one thing, but the thing about Chubbytada to me seemed more about the anime characters needing to glorify the Sanada further, but they are not allowed to damage the common target for it (Ieyasu), so they went to the next thing that hasn't been officially made playable (Hidetada). It may vary to others, but that's a big problem for me.
I think Anime Hidetada was fine, but I don't take his portrayal there so much as in the angle of "we need to make Yukimura look good" than it is that "this is a guy who starts out a complete ******* who by the end of the series is going to become the Shogun that carries the war-torn era into a time of peace." And frankly, I wasn't disappointed.

At the start of the Anime and for most of it he was exactly as you described-- some fool who did so many stupid things everyone thought he was a loser. The biggest problem with what happened was it almost was too sudden of a shift to change course for him and doubly so at the timing of when it happened-- in the middle of the Winter siege he gets slapped by Ina and that causes Hidetada to realize he's neither liked nor respected; that really should have happened before then. Which then leads him to admit to Nobuyuki that he's not suited for war and feels that's a weakness, only for Nobuyuki to point out that it's not such a bad thing to have a peacetime leader, which in turn gives Hidetada the confidence to order the Summer siege.

Historically as well as in the Anime it's Hidetada's army that ends up winning the campaign.

Contrast that with Yukimura, who is shown time and again as a man that is ill-suited for a time of peace, who only knows life through the glory of battle, who is unable to make the transition along with the times. He goes out dying in battle because it's the only thing he knows how to do.
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Hey everyone! I was wondering, if anyone has the art/ data book for this game, could they post some of the concepts of the new characters? I'd love to see what they had in mind for ChaCha etc. prior to the costumes they have now :-)
Here it is: link
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Diao Chan Lover91
Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:17 pm
Hey everyone! I was wondering, if anyone has the art/ data book for this game, could they post some of the concepts of the new characters? I'd love to see what they had in mind for ChaCha etc. prior to the costumes they have now :-)
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Hm... So Hidetada's design initially started with his anime one, after all.

And lol, all those Sasuke's designs. They really argued a lot about it. And one of the designs is literally Sonic from One Punch Man :XD

With Masayuki and Badassmura - final designs are better than alts.

With Chacha - I prefer that Femme Fatale design, to be honest. Although I like final one as well.

Sasuke - while rest of the designs kinda fit Sasuke more, they wouldn't fit Sasuke's styory within the game and the tone of the story as whole.
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Does anyone happen to know if this game has rare weapons?
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