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Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada; New Characters: Sanada Masayuki, Chacha, Sasuke, Lady Muramatsu, Takeda Katsuyori, Tokugawa Hidetada
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http://gematsu.com/2016/12/japanese-creators-respond-2017-expecations-in-weekly-famitsu Another SW game in preparation?
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Truth be told I don't get the fuss over the lack or DLCification of "Ultimate Weapons" anyway. The series has lacked proper weapon skins since at least SW2, IIRC. Unless of course you're upset at more content needlessly pricelocked then, yeah, I get that. But upset about this specifically... I don't get it. Like if they were even at the level of DW weapon skins I could get it but... *shrug*

Also, if they do go with Naotora game, really hope they either keep her around past '82 or expand the Imagawa cast and have it start in the 40s or so.
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So, basically, they confirmed Opoona for Musou Stars?
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:05 am
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Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:45 am
Man, I'm totally irked when I saw they still sell those 6th weapons as DLC.

The game is treated as a new game, then why aren't those weapons included in this yet-another-DLC-in-disguise game???

inb4 b-but they want to make moneyz so u should acceptz!!
And you know what? Only a sucker would buy the DLC weapons; they add nothing to the game and are no better than the Rare weapons the game give you.

See Also: DLC Horses, DLC Costumes. Refer to Dead or Alive 5 to see how much it matters.
Yukimura Den gives all them Sumeragi DLC weapons and costumes for free, just saying :doge:
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:20 am
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Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:45 am
Man, I'm totally irked when I saw they still sell those 6th weapons as DLC.

The game is treated as a new game, then why aren't those weapons included in this yet-another-DLC-in-disguise game???

inb4 b-but they want to make moneyz so u should acceptz!!
And you know what? Only a sucker would buy the DLC weapons; they add nothing to the game and are no better than the Rare weapons the game give you.

See Also: DLC Horses, DLC Costumes. Refer to Dead or Alive 5 to see how much it matters.
Yukimura Den gives all them Sumeragi DLC weapons and costumes for free, just saying :doge:
Makes sense, the game bombed. Of course they just gave it for free judt in hope it got more sales.
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Does Kanbei have a role in this game? He doesn't really have much interaction with the Sanada but he is around from the Oda arc all the way up to post Sekigahara.
To answer your question, his role isn't huge in the game and he's a fairly background character. He doesn't appear in any Oda battles against the Takeda and his first chronological appearance would be at Tedorigawa in a side scenario. He then appears at Hideyoshi's army for Yamazaki, Komaki-Nagakute and Shikoku but Shizugatake and Kyushu have been omitted and i think he appears in one of the sieges during Odawara but i can't be 100% sure. Also, during Sekigahara his Kyushu campaign is completely taken out so he fades from the story without much of an impact. His role is considerably less than in 4 and 4-II and while he is playable in the 3 Hashiba campaigns, other than Yamazaki he doesn't contribute much to the other two. Sorry to disappoint you but it's better than what Hanbei and some other characters have gotten at least 😊😊😊😊.
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:29 am
Brrrr....that just sounds like the most terrible idea for a Samurai game ever.

And its not just because I find Naotora one of the worst Koei females ever though that would certainly prevent me from going anywhere near such a game. Its also a bad idea because the idea of her character and the traits she has aren't likely to gell well with a western audience. Its going to bomb terribly in the west as a result and it causing an SW4 oversaturation may decrease the games chance in JApan as well.

A game all about the Sanada is already a bit of a waste but a game about Naotora would absolutely be a waste of time. If they do a Sanada Maru inspired game then just give it to the Mori, Shimazu or Date who need the screentime and are interesting enough to make use of it.

I recall all that Kanbei with is career spanning almost the entire story and all three mayor rulers got was one costume with his Taiga drama. Why would an overinflated moe blob get anything more than that?
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Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:17 pm
Hey everyone! I was wondering, if anyone has the art/ data book for this game, could they post some of the concepts of the new characters? I'd love to see what they had in mind for ChaCha etc. prior to the costumes they have now :-)
Here it is: link
The link doesn't work at all.
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:11 am
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:29 am
Brrrr....that just sounds like the most terrible idea for a Samurai game ever.

And its not just because I find Naotora one of the worst Koei females ever though that would certainly prevent me from going anywhere near such a game. Its also a bad idea because the idea of her character and the traits she has aren't likely to gell well with a western audience. Its going to bomb terribly in the west as a result and it causing an SW4 oversaturation may decrease the games chance in JApan as well.

A game all about the Sanada is already a bit of a waste but a game about Naotora would absolutely be a waste of time. If they do a Sanada Maru inspired game then just give it to the Mori, Shimazu or Date who need the screentime and are interesting enough to make use of it.

I recall all that Kanbei with is career spanning almost the entire story and all three mayor rulers got was one costume with his Taiga drama. Why would an overinflated moe blob get anything more than that?
Going to have to agree there while i personally like Naotora i cant say alot of people in the west do. Unless they somehow able to provide her personality development where she becomes more confident in herself.



this would be better if they did it with either the Shimazu, Mori, Chosokabe, and Tachibana. which are clans that desperately need more focus compared to the other clans.


I just dont really see how they could make a game focused on Naotora worked as it would only focus on her and Naomasa to me
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:49 pm
I just dont really see how they could make a game focused on Naotora worked as it would only focus on her and Naomasa to me
it would most likely have a Tokugawa and Imagawa focus too, since a Musou spinoff about the Imagawas would not be likely this prolly the only time where they can actually add more Imagawa characters to SW without looking weird
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I personally won't mind a game about Naotora (especially since there won't be any opportunity for character-based game in 2018, since drama will be about Sakamoto Ryoma), but at the same time I feel sad that they haven't done games about Kanetsugu or Kanbei back in the day.
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Only reason I could see Naotora getting one and not Kanbei is cause shes really popular in Japan compared to Kanbei?

A game about her with character development would be nice though. Maybe they could add Tazu too :asia:
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:00 pm
I personally won't mind a game about Naotora (especially since there won't be any opportunity for character-based game in 2018, since drama will be about Sakamoto Ryoma), but at the same time I feel sad that they haven't done games about Kanetsugu or Kanbei back in the day.
We had a Ryoma taiga just a few years ago, didn't you mean Saigo Takamori?
Also, 2018 is about the previous Japanese Olympics, so yeah, it seems there won't be any Sengoku themed series for a while.
Still, I also feel like Naotora is too much a side character (in both characterization and actual involvement in the military history) to have a game centered on her.
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:04 pm
Only reason I could see Naotora getting one and not Kanbei is cause shes really popular in Japan compared to Kanbei?

A game about her with character development would be nice though. Maybe they could add Tazu too :asia:
Kanbei wasn't one of the tops but I recall seeing him rank pretty high in the poll. I think it was 19 which is a pretty respectable place.

One must always be careful with using popularity as a justification for screentime because it runs the risk of becoming pandering. This is especially the case if she's only popular in one region.

I'm not clamoring for a Kuroda Maru but he does have enough to make it work. He has his own clan that could be expanded, he witnesses pretty much all mayor events in the unification progress and he's both interesting and decently well liked. Skipping that in favor of a girl who lacks most of those thing but is popular thanks to being Moe would leave a sour taste in the mouth. Oh I'm sure she has something going for her, the Li were vassels of Ieyasu after all but we already know Ieyasu's tale and I don't see how the Li would be able to be independent of that tale. Well, there's the Imagawa but they die at the moment the story truly start which makes that clan a bad investment.
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Honestly the kind of people Samurai Warriors already appeals to in the West are the same type of people who would be okay with Naotora as a character especially if she was the main character and her story were to be a serious one. Just give her a new less revealing outfit too and, hey, you got yourself an anxiety-ridden heroine who learns to live with it or grow past it, which is something I think a lot of people worldwide could identify with.

In regards to her perhaps not being fit for a whole side game because of her historical presence... well, I mean, they're making a whole taiga drama about her. At the very least, they could cover Imagawa's rise and fall, Tokugawa's partnership with the Oda and conflict with the Takeda (which Naotora was at the front for-- IIRC she was actually present at a few of the sieges, but I could be wrong), and if they either stretch her lifespan or make her son the protag for the last third, they could do Komaki-Nagakute, Ueda, Odawara, and Sekigahara too.
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:00 pm
I personally won't mind a game about Naotora (especially since there won't be any opportunity for character-based game in 2018, since drama will be about Sakamoto Ryoma), but at the same time I feel sad that they haven't done games about Kanetsugu or Kanbei back in the day.
We had a Ryoma taiga just a few years ago, didn't you mean Saigo Takamori?
Also, 2018 is about the previous Japanese Olympics, so yeah, it seems there won't be any Sengoku themed series for a while.
Still, I also feel like Naotora is too much a side character (in both characterization and actual involvement in the military history) to have a game centered on her.
Oh, that's right, it's about Takamori. Got things confused there. Well, the point is - it's the last chance to do a collaboration with a Taiga drama for a while, so I don't think Koei will lose waste this opportunity.
And such game will help a few things, like Naotora's own personality. She can't stay apologetic mushroom trough the course of the entire game without any changes. It also will help other characters, like Naomasa and Yoshimoto. And that is probably our only chance to have Ujizane or Sessai. And I have nothing against Tazu's addition as well. Also, there will be more Ieyasu, which is never a bad thing.
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Honestly the kind of people Samurai Warriors already appeals to in the West are the same type of people who would be okay with Naotora as a character especially if she was the main character and her story were to be a serious one. Just give her a new less revealing outfit too and, hey, you got yourself an anxiety-ridden heroine who learns to live with it or grow past it, which is something I think a lot of people worldwide could identify with.

In regards to her perhaps not being fit for a whole side game because of her historical presence... well, I mean, they're making a whole taiga drama about her. At the very least, they could cover Imagawa's rise and fall, Tokugawa's partnership with the Oda and conflict with the Takeda (which Naotora was at the front for-- IIRC she was actually present at a few of the sieges, but I could be wrong), and if they either stretch her lifespan or make her son the protag for the last third, they could do Komaki-Nagakute, Ueda, Odawara, and Sekigahara too.
Your points apply to some extend but I wouldn't gloss over cultural differences. Sure, you have to be into the whole anime stuff to apriciate Samurai Warriors but even there the West and Japan have different outlooks.

This is why Naruto's Sasuke is so much more divisive outside of Japan, why the western Bleach fans favors the giant Kenpachi over shota Hitsugaya who is preferred in the east and why the Western Koei fans want more manly character as opposed to the prettyboys who keep doing well in Japanese polls.

''And her story where to be a serious one'' is a statement that glances towards a big reservation. Naotora is not a serious character. Her anxiety issue is over the top and often played for laughs. It also overshadows her far more than it should. Takakage and Mitsunari are both anxious too but they never get to the point of only barely not apologizing for existing.
And there isn't a direct incentive to change this tone with Naotora because its exactly that what gives her that Moe charm that gives her her popularity.
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I wouldnt mind a game focused on Naotora either honestly, sure she is not in my top five characters. but i still think a game where she could be properly develop personality wise would be cool and hey maybe they can even change her outfit a bit similiar to what they did with Yukimura's teenage model in Sanadamaru.


but this would be a good way to finally add some Imagawa, Ii, and maybe some tokugawa characters. Hell even add Tazu and this could help her a bit.


and i not sure her popularity in the west compared to japan but i sure there may be some who connect with her on some level.


this definitely would increase the odds of us getting Ujizane, Sessai, and etc. and we will get more tokugawa focus which i wouldnt all.
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Unless they completely remake Naotora for her own game, she is not worth making a game for. Hell, even Ieyasu, whom I hate, has more potential than she has. She is a terribly created character, annoying and stupid, specially if we consider how her real world counterpart should be. Hell, make a game about Magoichi, since he unifies all Magoichi Saikas, then he will have a hella big story.
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Only if they base her off her NA portrait where she looks like a stern woman and throw some actual armor on her

I like her design in sw4 because hey I'm a guy but a game based on her change things up though
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Yay more Fanservice incoming! 0|0
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Hey guys, i know it's been a long time since i contributed to this board but i forgot my password and have had to make a second account. Oh well, regarding Sanada-Maru, do Musashi, Kojiro and any of the "wanderers" get any involvement in the main or side stories at all?
You can pm the admins for a password change.

I'm not a fan of more taiga drama expansions. There's only so much they can milk SW4 imo. They kind of need to move on.
Edited by Rance, Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:48 pm.
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Magoichi has exponentially less story ability than Naotora unless they break from history. The Saika are confined, basically, to Kii up until the 1590s and pretty much only fight the Oda from what I can recall. Not even the whole of Kii either, just the upper left corner of it.

And she wouldn't need to be remade, she would just need to go through character development quicker than she did in SW4. And she clearly did.

I also don't think they'd need to make it another SW4 spinoff. Just forgo making new SW installments, make new character-based games updating the gameplay along the way as need be. That'd not be a bad way to go.
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They should really just make SW5 next now. SW is starting to fall behind in the combat system, it hasn't evolved enough from vanilla SW4. They really need to step up a lot in the next game and another character-spin-off is very unlikely to introduce any drastic changes to the gameplay formula.

Regarding Naotora, SB universe seems to work better for a Naotora-centric game IMO, mainly because it actually doesn't have Naomasa. She feels much more a character who can stand on her own and if they add Yoshimoto, she could have a potentially very good story arc in SB because that series tends to be more fictional when it comes to historical accuracy... they can take more liberties and improve the story.
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Hey guys, i know it's been a long time since i contributed to this board but i forgot my password and have had to make a second account. Oh well, regarding Sanada-Maru, do Musashi, Kojiro and any of the "wanderers" get any involvement in the main or side stories at all?
You can pm the admins for a password change.
I already PMed him (no response) :P



That was a pretty direct response on their part :o regarding the idea of a SW: Naotora ... I think the idea has some merit, maybe as like a DLC expansion. IDK if there's enough to her or her clan's story to support a full spin-off game though :mellow:

I'm kinda with Rance though on the idea that its probably best to stop milking SW4 for all its worth. It's been (5) games all based on the same platform :wacko:
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