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Differences between 4-II and Empires?
Topic Started: Tue May 9, 2017 3:49 am (625 Views)
Mei Ling
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Wow it has been too long!

I got a PlayStation 4 for Christmas, so now I can play the latest games.

Now the last game in the series I played was Warriors Orochi 3.

Looking at the options, besides Dragon quest heroes, I am torn between Samurai Warriors 4-II and Samurai Warriors 4 Empires. So, which one is better? Does Empires have the character interactions and databases from previous games? I haven't played the original SW4 (I know. Tragic considering how happy I was to see Noh let her hair down)
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Zai Tong
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Honestly get empires never did the other as I already had sw4 from what others have discussed I'm glad I never got that game.
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Honestly i say you be better off getting Samurai Warriors 4: Empires. this is coming from Someone who has played all three games: 4, 4-2, and Empires.


the differences really are 4-2 is more focused on the newer characters stories giving a more depth into thier characters. along with popular characters like Mitsunari or Takatora who are veterans also getting thier own stories. Gracia gets her own bonus Story which is basically a What-If Scenario.


it also Add Naomasa Ii (but honestly he is also in empires and the upcoming Spirit of Sanada/Sanadamaru which will be released this month on the 23rd).


4-2 also suffers from repeated stages on some stories. namely sekigahara from what i remember it also has a skill tree thing but based on what i seen people werent too fond of that. so its unlikely to return. and finally Lack of content. you have like 56 (or 57) in 4-2 but only like 20 or so are playable in the story and you first character is also automatically chosen bcuz of the MC of the story. which you cant change until you beat the whole story. and t he only other modes you have is survival and free mode. after a while i got bored with 4-2. unlike i have with Empires or normal 4.



Empires. is a lot different compared to 4-2. the positives is you can do whatever you want in the game. as its basically you conquering japan not set storyline or anything, still events of course depending if certain things are met. All characters from 4 and 4-2 are in Empires. which yes Means Naomasa as well. You also can marry any of the female or male characters (can only marry the opposite sex) in the game if you increase your bond high enough and save them in a battle.


you also can make four of your main retainers into your four guardian Kings (which i would suggest keeping them in your main force and having them as magistrates to increase the chances of making them a retainer). you also got your magistrates which can help with various things from strategy, training, relationships, alliances, policies, development, and so forth. and each character specializes in different areas which would be more effective. Hanzo for example is only good with strategy. while Kenshin is good at Strategy and Military.


characters set in the same room also may or may not like each other. Mitsunari and Ieyasu for example would not be a good idea of putting in the same magistrate room.


you can go all crazy and not do things historical. like putting Hideyoshi, Nobunaga, and Shingen in the same army for example. its really up to you how you want to play. you can do a various of scenarios to make each playthrough different also.



Hope this helps
Edited by LordTerrantos, Tue May 9, 2017 4:39 am.
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Artorias
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that's not differences between SW4II and SW4E.

-SW4 II is vanila expansion game of original SW4. neither a continuation nor a Xtreme Legends expansion. which side character story and survival mode.
-SW4 Empires same previously installment.
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LordTerrantos
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Tue May 9, 2017 5:12 am
that's not differences between SW4II and SW4E.

-SW4 II is vanila expansion game of original SW4. neither a continuation nor a Xtreme Legends expansion. which side character story and survival mode.
-SW4 Empires same previously installment.
core gameplay wise no there is no difference between the two. but there is actually plenty of differences between the two. 4-2 only focused on a select few characters stories and only certain characters are playable in those. while everyone else can only be used in survival or free mode.


Naomasa is also added in 4-2 but he is also playable in both Empires and Spirit of Sanada. so really that is not even a positive for 4-2 anymore



empires just is anyone doing want they want to conquer japan. whether historical or what-if. having magistrates with strategy, policy, military, and etc to help effect the state of the battle. even making retainers your guardian kings and so on.



there is plenty of differences. it be like saying DW8 and DW8 Empires are the same game when thier quite different. with a exception of the core gameplay and characters
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You should pick up Samurai Warriors 4 instead, it's the best game of those three. I'd say it offers the most coherent introduction to the whole story of the series so far.
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LordTerrantos
Tue May 9, 2017 7:13 am
Kaku Ka
Tue May 9, 2017 5:12 am
that's not differences between SW4II and SW4E.

-SW4 II is vanila expansion game of original SW4. neither a continuation nor a Xtreme Legends expansion. which side character story and survival mode.
-SW4 Empires same previously installment.
core gameplay wise no there is no difference between the two. but there is actually plenty of differences between the two. 4-2 only focused on a select few characters stories and only certain characters are playable in those. while everyone else can only be used in survival or free mode.


Naomasa is also added in 4-2 but he is also playable in both Empires and Spirit of Sanada. so really that is not even a positive for 4-2 anymore



empires just is anyone doing want they want to conquer japan. whether historical or what-if. having magistrates with strategy, policy, military, and etc to help effect the state of the battle. even making retainers your guardian kings and so on.



there is plenty of differences. it be like saying DW8 and DW8 Empires are the same game when thier quite different. with a exception of the core gameplay and characters
Are the character databases in the game?
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LordTerrantos
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Mei Ling
Tue May 9, 2017 6:33 pm
LordTerrantos
Tue May 9, 2017 7:13 am
Kaku Ka
Tue May 9, 2017 5:12 am
that's not differences between SW4II and SW4E.

-SW4 II is vanila expansion game of original SW4. neither a continuation nor a Xtreme Legends expansion. which side character story and survival mode.
-SW4 Empires same previously installment.
core gameplay wise no there is no difference between the two. but there is actually plenty of differences between the two. 4-2 only focused on a select few characters stories and only certain characters are playable in those. while everyone else can only be used in survival or free mode.


Naomasa is also added in 4-2 but he is also playable in both Empires and Spirit of Sanada. so really that is not even a positive for 4-2 anymore



empires just is anyone doing want they want to conquer japan. whether historical or what-if. having magistrates with strategy, policy, military, and etc to help effect the state of the battle. even making retainers your guardian kings and so on.



there is plenty of differences. it be like saying DW8 and DW8 Empires are the same game when thier quite different. with a exception of the core gameplay and characters
Are the character databases in the game?
If by character databases you mean the biographies. then Yes. the biographies are in all three games. in Empires which is personally better then 4-2 in my opinion. is accessible by going to the vault on the main menu


and of course still includes biographies on non playable characters as well plus the 56 playable playable characters
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In my opinion; 4 < 4-II < 4 Empires.

4 is the most coherent in terms of an overall story, but the gameplay was cheapened with how effective hyper attacks are. 4-II is more engaging and has personal stories, unlike base 4 which scrapped that in terms of regional stories (that always shoehorned you in the historical route), and nerfed hyper attacks. 4 Empires has all the gameplay fixes of 4, the bonus of being mildly more intuitive, and, yes, a more complete archive set than the previous two. 4 Empires is still weaker than 2 Empires in my opinion, though, partly because while it does have character interactions, they sacrificed the uniqueness of 2's prescripted ones to allow anyone to engage in a series of generic interactions with anyone else (granted, officers and unique officers will have variations on the dialogue, but it always feels disconnected).
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