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| Manjiimortal | Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:35 pm Post #126 |
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Akihime. Is. Trash. And. Not. Required. At. All. Yukimura being at Osaka is very simple. During Sekigahara Masayuki, wise old fox he was, wanted to ensure the survival of the Sanada regardless of which side won, so he and Yukimura supported the Toyotomi while Nobuyuki supported the Tokugawa. Once the Tokugawa won Ieyasu pretty much blackballed the Toyotomi supporters to certain degrees (the Mori were greatly diminished, the Chosokabe and Tachibana were done as Daimyo clans, the Konichi were destroyed, the Ukita and the Sanada were exiled), so that by time Osaka came about, the only chance those clans had of recovering some glory was by supporting the Toyotomi, as Ieyasu would never make use of them. It was self-interest, realising which side needed them the most, thus where they could profit the most. Loyalty and Honour were non-existent concepts at the time, everyone was looking after themselves. And Ohtani is f***ing footnote, only remembered because of all that Edo Era BS that invented a connection between him and Mitsunari. |
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| LordTerrantos | Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:05 pm Post #127 |
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Yeah sorry Maya, but I would like Akihime too but really she is not ESSENTIAL for Yukimura to have a reason to be at Osaka. I personally thought spirit of Sanada was a really good game, yes there could of been things that could of been improved on but i don't think it was terrible because Akihime wasn't added. If anything they should of included Matabei or one of the Other Defenders of Osaka. and honestly i don't think every single characters needs to have some romance in the game. it gets pretty repetitive really fast, they can just give better reasons for why Yukimura sides with the Toyotomi. and Chacha yes she needs fixed but i don't think the whole concubine status is essential for her to be made into a great character. Akihime at best would just be a bonus for the game i wouldn't say she is downright essential to approve Yukimura. I get you really like Akihime but i don't think u should let that cloud your judgement when it comes to well video games, which are going to not always be portrayed 100% historically or accurately. SW overall is one big dramatized game of t he sengoku era. |
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| Maya | Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:40 pm Post #128 |
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Calling Akihime trash while Muramatsu who is not even popular in Sanada sources and Kunoichi a character whose story has no meaning are running around is amusing. I also did not like Spirit since I did not like Chacha's story a single bit either and several other stuff. Also the game is not the holy grail thus not everyone has to think that it is a good game. Edited by Maya, Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:43 pm.
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| LordTerrantos | Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:51 pm Post #129 |
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I never said it was the holy grail of the SW Series and i personally didn't think Muramatsu was even necessarily she is honestly incredibly pointless. she doesn't even have a large impact on the story. I just also don't think we should ever expect Chacha to be adressed as a concubine. since Omega Force is always going to avoid the subject. espeically when we have 3 different characters who were said to be concubines: Kai, Chacha, and Koshosho. and sure while i do like Kunoichi i would rather they fixed her and give her a proper name. like Kosuke Anayama or something I didn't really like Chacha's Story, either and i do think they could really fix alot of things about it. I just personally don't think they will ever address her as a concubine. I sure they will find some way to add Hideyori maybe as a Adopted Son of Chacha. but thats the only idea at the top of my head. there is plenty of other stuff that made the game good to me. Story has never been omega's strong suit if you ask me. even with DW. I think what SoS excelled at if anything is the semi-open world it had going for it. the day/night cycle, the multiple battles that were linked to each other. such as the battle of hachikoji castle (i apologize if i spelled that wrong) being also part of the battle of odawara. I am not going to say its the best game ever. but i also don't think we ever will hear Chacha's concubine status in the games. when they cutted out Kennyo Honganji decades ago. if they don't even want to mention religion, then why would they mention the whole concubine thing? there is plenty of things from SoS they can easily add to the next game. the age system, day/night cycle, the Stratagems, the Multiple Battles that are part of a major battle such as Osaka. I personally thought Chacha would of been a cold and manipulative and evil woman but that didn't happen.. i can only pray they fix her story in SW5 in 2019. |
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| wodash | Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:59 pm Post #130 |
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a very select individuals that is, played all of SW4-II's "Campaign Group" thingie(why made it that way if they wanted to make individuals shine?) i don't remember Munenori "shining" at all in it, sure he tags along for most of Matsunaga's story, but it's still....Matsunaga's story, he's just tagging along and spoke a line or two every so often. Edited by wodash, Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:59 pm.
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| Scuttlest | Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:11 am Post #131 |
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Considering how they present her as a Toyotomi character, and the Toyotomi are the 'good guys' of SW so to speak (though more then a bit rough in their methodology), I doubt Chacha will be written as 'evil'. I would like the story to say that Chacha is a big reason why the Osaka Campaign ends up happening, at least. And make her less passive about Osaka. In SoS she pretty much just spent the whole situation just saying 'Yeah, okay' over and over again until Yukimura turns the first Campaign around. |
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| Maya | Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:12 am Post #132 |
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I think however if they mention Nene not having children and allowing HideyoshixChacha so that Hideyoshi has an heir it could work without 'destroying' HideyoshixNene. Since Chacha is Nobunaga's niece they could also point out that Hideyori has Oda relations as well and thus is an important heir. The problem is that Chacha's power game took place inside castle walls and is connected with having children. The best way to show her as manipulative would be to depict HideyoshixChacha and Hideyori. With Hideyori there she can at least influence people like Mitsunari to help her and later on influence Hideyori's decisions at Osaka. |
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| Manjiimortal | Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:27 am Post #133 |
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You won't ever hear me say Muramatsu should be playable, that would be a massive waste. Kunoichi is another waste as far as I'm concerned, but then again, I despise ninjas and believe they ruin everything (look at the Marvel Netflix shows. The good ones don't have them at all, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and The Punisher, and Daredevil S1 only has Nobu, who works as a sort of mid-dungeon boss), so there's that to take in account. I would love if Chacha was depicted as some master manipulator politician, but this is Koei so what we get is wishy-washy, white-washed BS rather than the more interesting accurate history where EVERYONE was an ambitious, ruthless, a**hole. Why do we reject out own history? Humans are a**holes of the highest order, we are so now, always were in the past, and I have no reason to think that will ever change. Just accept the goddamn truth. Edited by Manjiimortal, Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:28 am.
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| Mei Ling | Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:10 am Post #134 |
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Here's hoping they do more with Saito Dosan's mission for his daughter. Anything to move her from submissive waifu please. And ffs do something with Okuni. Have her do more ridiculous **** like hopping on cannonballs and being the grim reaper |
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| Kuroda Kanbei | Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:10 pm Post #135 |
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I'm very wary at the idea of individual stories returning because I remember how SW3 handled those. Its got very repetitive because the same missions kept returning over and over again. Every Toyotomi member had to have shizugatake and Yamazaki, every Tokugawa character had to had Mikatagahara and Komaki-nagaku and so on. The stories of the characters with longer lifespawns also suffered because the 5 mission structure ensured decades and half of the storyline could pass between just two chapters. Akihime sounds like a very bad choice to me. Giving Yukimura a wife just doesn't work for his character, nothing about him indicates he's interested in getting a wife and his personal relations are all secondary to his warrior way anyway. If Yukimura comes off as incredibly selfish and ungrateful when he got a brother then I can only imagine how worse it would get when he gets a wife. At the end of the story he's still going to leave her alone so he can have his warrior death. The Sanada also really doesn't need any more additions because they already have far more members than their importance warrants them to have. You could argue Akihime would help Yoshitsugu but I think he's just as unsuited for family expansion as Yukimura. Yoshitsugu is just far to detached from everything to be a believable father. |
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| LordTerrantos | Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:45 pm Post #136 |
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Personally like Kuroda, i don't really think the Sanada need any more characters as it is. like not counting Muramatsu they already have like 5 new characters and assuming Muramatsu is made playable at some point (maybe in the next game) then its 6. Sasuke is likely the last of Yukimura's Ninjas we will see, and frankly even Ina can be counted among the Sanada since she pretty much is both Tokugawa and Sanada after her marriage to Nobuyuki. Akihime, while i wouldn't mind her being added. she wouldnt really work with the personalities of both Yoshitsugu who is detached and almost emotionless man, so doesnt seem to be a character to be a father-type. and of course Yukimura who acts as your shonen protagonist character and comes off as a ungrateful and selfish character when Osaka comes around, and goes off to die a warrior's death. all this would do is leave his brother, his sister, and of course Akihime behind. you don't need to have a marriage to have a reason to go to Osaka. there can be plenty of other reasons for why Yukimura sides with the toyotomi at Osaka, at the end of the day this game is still a fictional version of history so not everything is going to be like the history. if any clans needs expanding upon. its the Date, Takeda, Shimazu, Mori, Chosokabe, and Tachibana/Otomo. most of them being in the east region of Kyushu, Chugoku, and Shikoku. and most of these clans only have like 2 characters only. Many could argue the Sanada are part of t he Takeda, but only Masayuki is a actual Takeda character. other then him we still only have Shingen and his Son Katsuyori. and need some of Shingen's actual retainers like Nobufusa Baba, Masatoyo Naito, Chiyome Mochizuki, and etc. Ninjas really i think. Sasuke will be the last Sanada Brave we get, unless they decide to somehow add Saizo in the future. but other then him we probably still need Danzo for the Uesugi and Chiyome for the Takeda. if there is any other famous Ninjas that could be added i am unaware of it. |
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| Maya | Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:23 pm Post #137 |
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Regarding Yoshitsugu he doesn't have to be her father since there are also versions in which he is her uncle or way older brother. Most sources which support the fatherchild theory say that Yoshitsugu was a teenager (15/16 youngest, 19/20 maximum) when she as well as her older brother were born. Yoshitsugu according to one theory might have been only 2 years older than Yukimura himself. Yoshitsugu would probably never be the father of the century. That's one of the stuff the Sanadamaru Taiga probably got very right: In the Taiga she is Yoshitsugu's favorite kid however his parenting is no good since he uses the laissez-faire education ('a child is rather treated like a friend') which is pointed out and is no authority figure. While he likes her he chooses Mitsunari over her. Since historically Yoshitsugu was asked by both sides to join them it's pointed out that he could have also joined the Eastern army which would have different consequences. I personally think that not every family must be perfect however it's probably not anime enough and almost too realistic and in some cases messed up. That's probably why we will very likely also never see ChachaxHideyoshi. A fifty something and a way younger wife with a complex relationship (see Shizugatake). Or stuff like Yoshitsugu having children when he was very young. Or Yukimura marrying loli Akihime. A potential ninja could be Hatsume no Tsubone since she features in the Sekigahara movie. However I don't think that Mitsunari needs her in SW. Edited by Maya, Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:37 pm.
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