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| What Samurai Warriors 4 version is the best?; SW4 | SW4-2 | SW4:E | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:33 am (362 Views) | |
| Chunli | Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:33 am Post #1 |
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As above. I prefer SW 4. I don't know why but SW4-2 feels like an incomplete game. And out of all the 14 or 15 story modes, the last stage is always that boring Osaka stage where I gotta fight Sanada Yukimura. And so many of the stages are repeated again and again. There's also no early sengoku era battles also. |
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| Fūma | Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:09 am Post #2 |
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This topic is actually a good idea because there's no right answer, it's all a matter of preference. I favor SW4 more because: - I like faction/region-based stories more than individual ones - It has like a dozen of early era battles that do not appear at all in SW4-II - No same scenario is repeated twice within Story Mode except one, but in SW4-II it's a very unbalanced, like you have Osaka campaign playable 4 times from Tokugawa viewpoint but not even once from Toyotomi - I like using hyper attacks and didn't like the nerf in SW4-II - Almost everyone has a role in the story unlike in SW4-II where some even relevant characters barely appear at all Basically it's almost all about how Story Mode was handled in these games. I just think SW4 does it a lot better. SW4-II does have an extra character (Naomasa), though. |
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| Kuroda Kanbei | Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:20 pm Post #3 |
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I must point out that since I got neither a ps3 or 4 I have not played either of them. My exposure for the SW4 series came from chronicles. That being said I think I fancy the original more. It may not always work out but the game does try to give many characters a chance to shine while 4-2 limits it to a set of favorite. |
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| Ghozty | Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:31 pm Post #4 |
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SW 4 by far, SW4-2 doesn't feel complete for some reason. Oh and the AI annoy me in SW4-2 |
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| roninwolf1981 | Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:08 am Post #5 |
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It's a toss-up. I like how one is able to rank up on the 4 tiers (Attack, Power, Special and Hyper) and the overall polished-ness of the vanilla SW4, but I also preferred the Tome system in SW4-II. |
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| Ancient Daemon | Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:08 pm Post #6 |
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I don't get why 4-II wasn't just an Xtreme Legends and let you play the two as a whole. Its the first Samurai Warriors I haven't bought because of a combination of that and almost everyone I know said it was worse than vanilla SW4. Maybe if it hits a cheap PSN sale...
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| Fūma | Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:58 pm Post #7 |
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^I dunno, but I'm pretty sure they're not gonna repeat the same mistake in the future. As far as I know the game didn't sell well. |
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| Ancient Daemon | Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:26 pm Post #8 |
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And some of those lack of sales must have originated the same way as mine. Was all set to buy it blind as I'm a fan but when I read "standalone..." Well it killed interest. Edited by Ancient Daemon, Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:26 pm.
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| Deng Ai | Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:13 pm Post #9 |
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Sekigahara and Osaka are a big part of Samurai Warriors history wise. Those two battles especially the Osaka Campaigns culminated and brought to an end the Sengoku Era of Japan. I don't feel Osaka is boring but I feel Koei can add to it. The best Osaka battle yet IMO was the Osaka campaign from SW1. SW2-4 still can't capture the emotion or passion of the SW1 Osaka battle. SW4 Osaka battle comes close but still does not top SW1. Regarding the topic question, SW4-II is a good game and I enjoy the endless castle/survival mode. SW4-II added some excellent SW3 music soundtracks to some of the battles which I love. However, I thought SW4-II going back to the single player mode was a step backwards. SW4-II new upgrade system also seems a step backwards and over convoluted. SW4 is more structured, has a better upgrade system, and the clan story mode works better. SW4-II has more wacky stories IMO and to be frank some of them I don't care for. Since I completed all of SW4 clan modes I purchased SW4-II for its castle/survival mode and mainly to hold me over until SW4E arrives. SW4-II has done a swell job of doing exactly that. Edited by Deng Ai, Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:32 pm.
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| HanbeiCat | Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:08 am Post #10 |
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I only purchased Samurai Warriors 4, and I don't want to pay for virtually the same game again. So I only played SW4, I can skip 4-II. Buying another game just doesn't seem worth it. I can wait for SW5
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| NaotoraYinping281 | Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:25 am Post #11 |
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To me, I can't choose which to prefer but I'll go with SW4 II because it featured Survival Mode... |
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| Mr.Stone | Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:02 pm Post #12 |
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my choose is SW4 |
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| Mysterious_Stranger | Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:08 pm Post #13 |
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It's such a no contest in vanilla SW4's favor, it's like asking if you want a fresh, full apple or a leftover apple core with a few morsels left to it |
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| Fūma | Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:04 pm Post #14 |
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I feel that SW4-II can be a great game on its own, but if one already spent like over 100 hours on SW4 (like me haha), it is kinda disappointing. You'll just be forced to repeat many same battles once again and there's no possibility to carry on your progress from SW4 in any way. Being a huge fan of the series, I did watch all the new cutscenes and some new stages from YT, though. I've always wondered how a SW4XL could've been. Maybe it would've added Naomasa, Tadaoki, Matsu and Motoharu if it the character choices were based on the latest popularity poll... in fact I think that could've worked out pretty well. |
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| SwordofHeaven | Sun Mar 6, 2016 10:24 am Post #15 |
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Definitely SW4! It was more fun and interesting with the stories. Even had more content unlike SW4 II. SW4-II was pretty boring and frustrating, mostly because of farming hours and hours of tomb books and stages being used over and over again. It killed my interest. |
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| YukiZM | Sun Mar 6, 2016 6:50 pm Post #16 |
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SW4 no doubt. I prefer the clan based Story mode and almost everyone has equal screen time. Chronicle mode is not bad neither and can be fun at first until it's becomes a major grind. What I do like about SW4-II though is the introduced skill tree and Survival mode is kind of fun too, but prefer SW2's version. |
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| Liu Bei 7 | Sun Mar 13, 2016 2:26 am Post #17 |
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Here's where I think they mainly messed up with SW4-II: there were too many reoccurring stages while there was also a simultaneous lack of many iconic stages. At the very least Nobunaga and Yukimura should have had story modes. Hisahide's story didn't cover Nobunaga's story enough because in many battles he was his opponent. And similar arguments exist for Yukimura. And both of those characters are focal and have been for the entirety of this series. They also could have done a lot by shifting the stories a bit, for example having Kagekatsu's story maybe start a stage earlier where Kenshin is featured. A little more of that variety would have done a lot for this game which seems small in scale in comparison to vanilla SW4. |
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| Nanar | Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:26 pm Post #18 |
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i must go with SW4 because it has the caw storymode. thou 4-II has some good stuff too, it just gets annoying with Osaka this , Osaka that...etc.. yukimura yukimura sigh koei stop shoving yukimura in my face ok? yes he's a great guy and i do like him but enough is enough.. expand the story with other characters and maybe , you won't get people to be bored anymore ok? the idea of CAW story mode can be implemented in future sw titles, perhaps caw can have their own 5 battle story. this would open new doors to sw series...hint hint... |
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| Kiyooki | Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:13 am Post #19 |
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The only reason why I didn't got the supposed to be "Xtreme Legends" of SW4 is that before getting it me and my friend learned that they took out chronicle mode in the said game. So I'll be picking SW4 over SW4-II thank you. Chronicle mode is just way too fun |
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| The Outsider | Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:28 am Post #20 |
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Looks like I'm alone, but I actually have to say I preferred SW4-II to SW4. I overall enjoyed the story mode much more in SW4-II because I understood the characters more, they actually had cutscenes designed specifically for each character and the stages were catered around each perspective which was done quite well honestly in my opinion. The storytelling was messy in SW4, because tales where clan based you really didn't have a tight tale as each one was either too small of a story or had too many characters to show thus it became flat. Even though SW4-II had repeated stages, so did SW4 and at least SW4-II didn't reuse maps yet under a different name which was my biggest gripe with SW4; how could Odani castle also be Totomi castle AND Kakegawa castle, this was so stupid and lazy. Plus I personally have no personal interest in CAW or more side-quest aspects of 'Warriors' games so Chronicle Mode was of very little interest to me overall. Survival mode is more competitive and enjoyable to me personally so yeah, SW4-II is definitely the better experience at least for me.
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| Fūma | Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:40 pm Post #21 |
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SW4 did repeat same maps either in the opposite version of the same battle or in some cases, another battles... that's true. However, it never forced you to clear the same scenario more than once if you wanted to clear all stories. By scenario I mean the same battle from the same side. The only exception to it was technically Osaka Campaign Tokugawa side, but even that had completely different set of missions and character to choose from. SW4-II however has the same scenarios repeated a lot of time. Like, Tokugawa's Osaka Campaign appears in 4 stories but Toyotomi's Osaka not even once. And the biggest problem with the story setup is that most stories take place post-Honnoji, which means the early era is pretty much ignored and instead of getting to experience those battles even once, you just have to repeat through the same post-Honnoji battles many times. That's the problem I have with the stories. Not that it focuses on individual characters (in fact, it's a good contrast to SW4), but the way they choose the stages. I don't even mind if they chose new characters or popular characters for the protagonists, but it's just that the choice of story stages could've been much, much better. What's done is done and I'm sure they had their own reasons for selecting each stage, but I think there was a lot of good potential there that was ultimately lost. |
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| roninwolf1981 | Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:26 pm Post #22 |
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I'll say this: I definitely didn't enjoy the glitch with the horse calling. If I'm calling my horse, I want it to stop in my general area or to the exact same spot I initiated the call, not running around in circles because I'm still in the process of clearing the battlefield of peons. Another thing: the Musous. When I execute a True Musou, I noticed that my partner pauses while I finish mine. I prefered the vanilla SW4, where we both execute our animations at the same time. And it's also disappointing that these plagues carried over to SW4: Empires. |
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| Mighty-Lu-Bu | Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:37 pm Post #23 |
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Now that is seems it was been well established that Samurai Warriors 4 is the best version, but what about Samurai Warriors 4 Empires? How does it stack against the original Samurai Warriors 4? What about Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada? I think these need to both be directly compared to Samurai Warriors 4 so we can finally get a clear and definitive answer. Edited by Mighty-Lu-Bu, Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:26 am.
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| hozonov | Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:51 pm Post #24 |
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As much as I like having a whole lot of characters, and even thinking of who should they add next, the best SW4 version was Spirit of Sanada. The game really had the time to flesh out a single character's story. For me, it's the best SW game story-wise. |
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