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Episode 11
Topic Started: Aug 27 2014, 08:50 PM (85 Views)
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So now that you can be more candid, what do you really think about J.T's meltdown? Is he right, are players taking this game personally based off of ID, or is that all in his head?

There was a lot of talk about goats at that tribal. Who here would you consider as a goat? Are there any?

Are you worried at all about how you will be perceived by potential jury members if you actually manage to make it to the finals?

How do you plan on getting there?
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JT is mad that people weren't liking him for his ID :lol: idk. Maybe. I think he just was trolling and threw a tantrum. I didn't bother giving him any of the attention he wanted though. I'd rather keep that going here.

I don't think there are any true goats, and I think it's FAR to early to tell. I mean, Goats are entirely deterministic on the jury, and so far we have.. 2 people, who might not even be jury. One could argue that I'm a goat since I've made so many enemies (and I will be playing that card to the nth degree) but honestly I'm fully of the opinion that the term goat gets thrown around far too liberally. I mean... realistically there can NEVER be more than 2 goats in a game with a final 3. Because if 3 goats make the end, then 1 of them BY DEFINITION is not a goat.

But no. Everyone here is either socially or strategically capable and I think that's what will make this game awesome.

I'm not worried about how a jury will perceive me. Honestly, I kind of want a negative spin because it makes it easier for me to make the finals. I just need to make sure I temper it so that I don't alienate too many people. I've done that before and it's the worst.

My current plan to make the end is shakey but I would really enjoy to get to final 5/6 with Ryan, Jeff, Lisa and Alexis. Maybe Malcolm as well but he's way too good at challenges. I think this group is one I can work with, and has enough threats left that I will make the end. hopefully.

Plus I think many of them would feel like they can beat me so this is a bonus as well.
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WHY DOES GOD HATE ME SO MUCH :'(
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Oh shit I'm sorry about the pm's thing... I totally thought it was only a screenshot thing I totally spaced on the forwarding pm's... I was only getting snippets.

Really sorry.
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I also did this on Dhevana with Hope's pm that I posted in my confessional :(

I totally did not realise and I thought I'd followed all the rules. Truly.
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I know you aren't the kind of person that would purposefully break a rule like that. Sometimes intense strategy talk (especially between 10/11 people) can get players caught up when it's "he said, she said" all the time. I don't think it's bad enough to warrant removing you or sending you to The Oasis, but the rule is there and I have to bring it to the attention of all the players.

Thanks for apologizing, just be careful. :<3
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Thanks man :) I assure you it will not happen again.
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This could be my hairiest brained scheme ever but I really want to blindside Malcolm. But I NEED to fucking lay low for a round so I'm mostly talking about this idea in jest, but:

Malcolm has explicitly said that he wants to save Diane and I. If the other Zuvaan's are ADAMANT about voting for me/Diane, he will flip and force a tie with us.

So... I could utilise my bond with Jeff to get him to force the vote onto Diane... and this will cause Malcolm to flip. Malcolm votes with us for say... Jeff? But, in actuality, Jeff and the 4 Dhevanas shove 5 votes onto Malcolm, Malcolm votes Jeff, the other 4 Zuvaans vote for Diane and hey presto balindside of the guy who's in absolute control.

Now, realistically this is a horrible idea. I mean, result would be nice but if Malcolm comes back we're super fucked and that's more than likely, and on top of this it's just way too risky :lol:

So in actuality it will probably fall on either Roxy or Alexis or Ryan. Lisa wants Alexis gone but she's a social threat who nobody wants to vote off, so Ryan's the easier choice. Roxy is INSANE in challenges and this could be one of very few chances to actually eliminate her.

so.... yeah. More news as it comes but I'm so glad I have Malcolm and Jeff and Lisa independantly wanting me as their little pocket vote. I don't think any of them know to the extent that I'm close with Jeff... I hope not.

And I just wanted to give a shoutout to Eddie :<3 I don't know if you were serious but I'm glad you think I understand this game the best :<3 It really made me feel good :)
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Also I'm loving how I'm giving these people completely opposite speeches to why I should go with them.

to Jeff: We need to keep weak people becuase we're so on the bottom we can only beat goatish people like Ryan

to Lisa/Malcolm: We need to get rid of goatish people like Ryan because we're so threatening that we need to keep threats around to mask our own.

And I think I have legitimate reasons for both sides to think I'm telling the truth.
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I'm gonna get a little cocky here but I kind of am impressing myself with this chain with Jeff.... I don't think he can argue with any of the points I'm making:

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Sup man! Whats the plan this round?

Also what messages were you forwarding? lol


I had no idea that was a rule but the message was just showing Lisa that Alexis/Ryan were on board to vote JT. I'd quoted Alexis/Ryan saying they were on board and sent it to her. Had no idea the rule was there I feel like a doof.

As for the plan... well Malcolm came to me and offered to flip so this might be an easier round than we thought. You know you have any and all Dhevana votes at your disposal though and honestly I'm cool with whoever you choose. You did JT for me so let me help you take out who you're most worried about. :)

For me there's two trains of thought.

1. Vote off weak people, know that Eddie will eliminate them, and leave less potential goats around for people to take advantage of.

2. Vote off the strongest people and hope they eliminate each other and give them as many opportunities to be voted out as possible.

Roxy is who I'm thinking of specifically with #2. She's not immune atm and this could be a rare opportunity because she is scary as fuck... i mean... 1-2 second responses?! that is completely insane.

And if my math is correct, and lets say Oasis goes until F3 to make it F4... that means there's 4 duels between now and then. Only 4. So delaying even one chance to get rid of these strong people is trouble waiting to happen.

But yeah, honestly i'm more than happy to take your lead here. Where's your head at?


Ah ok. Someone rat you out though ;)

To be honest I dont have a specific target either so I will leave this round up to you as well, who do you think? I am glad JT went, that was sweet justice seeing him go 10-1 lol. I feel a bit bad about promising you but nah he deserved it.

I think we should probably keep the weak people though, that makes the most sense to me.

Yeah Roxy is a challenge god far out that is literally impossible how is she doing it? haha.

Like I say just tell me your thoughts and we will see whose best :) Is roxy your only target?


Well Malcolm has been telling Diane for a few rounds that he wanted to flip at F10. Previously he wanted you out, but I think he's worried that if that happened and Eddie returned then the numbers would be 5-5 again so he wants another Dhevana out. He's pushing hard for the vote to go onto Ryan I think... And I don't know about you but I think keeping Ryan is our best bet at F3 so we need to do something.

Malcolm specifically said that he'd flip if the target was on me or Diane (I think he wants NuDhevana numbers) but he'd prefer to vote for Ryan or Alexis. So what I'm thinking is we have 3 options. We go with Malcolm, Sacrifice Alexis and hope for the best going forward, OR you vote with me, Alexis, Ryan and Diane and we go against Roxy, OR you be adamant to old Zuvaan that you want Diane gone.. like unwaveringly want Diane gone, and then that forces Malcolm to flip to us...

Then, the 5 of us can blindside Malcolm 5-4-1 with Malcolm stray voting thinking the vote is on someone else. Obviously it's a super hair brained scheme but he's in 100% control of this vote.

BUT I like Malcolm, and he'd be a great shield for us to have down the line because he's so overtly threatening and he's a hell of a lot more reliable than a lot of other people. I'm literally just spitballing here though I don't even think it's a good idea :lol:

Angie has been really quiet lately... how has she been with you? she'll barely talk to me.

How about you man :lol: ?


This is such a tough decision. What were the options? Vote out Malcolm, Alexis or Ryan? Out of those three tbh I would want Ryan gone most but I know that is not ideal for our plan. What are you guys all thinking? Like where are your votes at?

I think at this stage we have to follow Malcolm onto what he wants because one flipping will force a draw, we need both of us. Has he said definitively what his plan is?

Angie has been busy with RL stuff but she should be more active soon, shes been quite with me too so dont worry :)


Well the Malcolmboot thing was more of a hairbrained joke scheme. Roxy is on the list of potential boots I think. Like I said, Malcolm said he'd flip if the Zuvaan's are adamant on voting out a NuDhevana i.e Diane or myself, but that he wants to vote out Ryan.

If you want Ryan gone as well I can do that... I mean, one of Eddie/Ryan would come back anyway and we'd be able to use their vote going forward... so if you want Ryan gone I'm on board. I don't personally think it's the best move though but at this stage you probably have more insight than I do.

I think that Roxy is too big of a threat to let her slide by for too long though. My opinion is that she'd be the best person to vote off but like I said I'm more than willing to go Ryan.




Is this the time for the big switch? Straight up do you reckon this is the time or is it later down the track? What do you think the benefits and negatives are of flipping here. Its a hard one for sure.


It's interesting because from my perspective I don't really see it as being that big of a move. Much like everyone banded to get rid of JT, getting rid of Roxy would just be an unequivocably smart move. It's like Tony getting rid of LJ in Cagayan. Its just beating them to the punch.

I don't think there's any difference between making the move now and making it next round. The only thing is that I honestly don't know how close Zuvaan are as a whole. I know that you are ready and willing to make a move but the rest of them... I could easily see them sticking together, and so if we go down to Final 9 and there are all 6 Zuvaan's left including yourself, there's nothing that you and I can do.

SO like I said it kinda hinges on how much you trust one of Malcolm/Angie/Lisa to flip with you at F9. Let's say Ryan goes, Eddie comes back and then we revolving door Eddie.

Unless you are 100% certain that you have one of those three people then it's game over for us. I know you want me to be definitive on what move I think is better but it entirely hinges on your relationships.

I think that if you and I want to maintain control, then Roxy should go tomorrow. Otherwise, we risk giving it up to someone else and we don't know for certain when we can get it back.


I have pretty good friendships with them but I dont know how that will translate into votes on paper you know? I will get a feel for them all over today and get a sense of what people think. If Eddie comes back though can we work with him? Like whoever we vote out (if its a Devhanna) it means a Devhanna will come back for sure. They will most likely work with the minority because there isnt a lot of choice. If we get rid of roxy there is a chance (like 50/50) she comes back and we wont be able to work with her at all.

So I reckon we vote out a Devhanna (sounds like they want Ryan which sucks) and then a Devhanna comes back. We know have 3 people to eliminate before someone else comes back and we can get rid of big challenge threats so only one comes back to bite us in the ass.

What do you think?


Well here's something to consider. JT isn't gone, he may not be great at challenges but we would be idiots to completely discount him. If we vote out Ryan... JT could actually have a shot at coming back if Eddie fucks up since Ryan is not stellar. If Roxy goes then it's almost a sure thing that ONE of her or Eddie will win it and that JT has no chance of coming back.

I mean, if we vote out Roxy, and she comes back, we're back to exactly this vote and we still have control. If we vote out a Dhevana, a Dhevana comes back and we're back to exactly this position as well just with Eddie instead of Ryan or maybe even Ryan comes back? OR we risk JT coming back. And the thing is, Eddie and JT are buddying up atm so Eddie could come back and immediately side with Roxy/Pete for all we know whereas we know that Diane/Alexis/Ryan would vote with you and me. That's probably what scares me the most.

I mean... do you really think that we will be able to work with Roxy anyway? she hates me and probably you as well.

I think our best case scenario is to get rid of Roxy. If Eddie or JT wins, the biggest challenge threat in the game is gone and Eddie MIGHT side with us since Roxy's gone. If JT wins, he doesn't have Roxy to go back to.

If Roxy wins (likely) then nothing changes. Then, over the next 3 boots we can boot her, Pete and another big challenge threat like Malcolm or Diane and then we're down to only 1 challenge threat. All the while you, me, lisa, angie, ryan and alexis can just keep on keeping on.

Like I said... I know you have friendships but I'm guessing all the other zuvaan's are pretty buddy buddy as well and unless you're 100% certain that they'd vote with you, I think you can't afford to take your chances and let Roxy and Malcolm continue to call the shots.

ALL THIS BEING SAID. I will vote with you. No matter what, however you decide. I'm just giving you my honest thoughts.
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omfg things are getting so ridiculously crazy :lol:

So it's NuDhevana vs NuZuvaan+Angie

5-5 vote between Ryan and Diane... I think.

Someone will obvi flip... but idk I'd pull rocks here. Why not? two Dhevanas immune, just me and alexis against 5 zuvaans for the rock draw. :P
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