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bf2142 spyware; wtf
Topic Started: Oct 25 2006, 12:41 AM (292 Views)
Silverhawk
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my bro shadowhawk told me about this so i looked it up.
found this somewhere

When you open the box, a big slip of paper falls out first, preceeding any discs or manuals. The slip of paper says, essentially, that 2142 includes monitoring software which runs while your computer is online, and records "anonymous" information like your IP address, surfing habits (probably via cookie scans), and other "computing habits" in order to report this information back to ad companies and ad servers, which generates in-game ads.

Now, I can live with certain in-game ads (though apparently there will be Dodge truck and Neon ads in the bleak, futuristic world of 2142), but including a lengthy description - outside of even the Eula - seems to indicate even EA knows that this is some shady borderline spyware shit. I don't support it and won't be buying 2142 (for a host of other reasons, too).



bit rude for a corparete company to include spyware in a full price software.
although we have seen it before.
personaly i think this is unacceptable
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RHINO_11
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i bought my game and looked at all the bits and pieces, and i dident see the slip your talkin about, probly some romour
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Tradjik
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Tell your brother to get back to gamefaqs...

It's not spyware, it doesn't track your surfing habits...it's coding that runs in-game, and determines what ads will be shown in-game by where you live in the world (which is why it records your IP), then detects how long you look at the ads and which ones...

I don't find anything wrong with this...apart from getting ads shoved down our throats...but meh, EA are money whores, what can you do..?
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Prettycrap
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Thank you, Field Promotions. Were it not for you, I would have wasted a precious unlock on the Support HMG.

Would it really have hurt EA or Dice or whoever to allow unlocked items and weapons in the singleplayer game without having to earn them in multiplayer? A lot of the animosity about particular items would go away if one didn't have to spend an increasingly scarce commodity on acquiring it and then be stuck with it forever. It feels like first being tricked and then being punished for it.

Sure, Field Promotions work as a preview. But all it's doing is rewarding already skilled players for being skilled. Your casual gamer will still be screwed when he eventually stumbles into the crappy unlock you've put in his path. The Field Promotion is a wonderful mechanic regardless of any "preview" function it happens to serve. I'm not knocking it.

But c'mon. People are going to play your game. You don't have to trick them into wasting unlocks on things they don't know they don't want until it's too late.


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So Battlefield 2142 has IGA, which stands for In-Game-Advertising.

Every e-mail I've gotten about BF2142 since last night has been about spyware. I presume they mean IGA. They tell me it's going to monitor all my online activity and deliver ads to me through the game based on that.

I have to wonder if anyone's reading anything about IGA or if it's just fun to parrot "Spyware, spyware, bwok!"

Why did my parrot make a distinctly chicken noise?

Honestly, I can see where you guys are coming from. It's easy to assume that Corporate Overlords, especially the monsters at EA, would be the type of people to sell you out for a quick buck or billion. We've come to expect that if there's going to be dynamic advertising delivered through our games, then it's going to be a necessarily sinister attack on our rights to privacy.

I've read quite a few articles on the matter, though -- here's a recent one -- and it just doesn't work that way. It honestly seems like EA screwed up and did something right.

IGA figures out roughly where you live. Say, Florida instead of Germany. This is so that your ads are somewhat relevant to you rather than in a language that you don't understand. Unless you're one of 8-bit's awesome German readers, but that's another topic entirely. IGA also figures out what time you're playing the game, and what ads you saw, and how long they were shown.

Well, okay. This may shock and alarm you, but they've been doing this for years. Your television delivers advertising directly into your house. It's all quite insidious, really. They know where you live and when the commercial aired. They also know how long it was and what show was on at the time!

I don't see the deep violation of rights here. Am I missing something? I still haven't even seen ads in the game, so it's entirely possible I'm just blind.

Now should there be dynamic advertising in games? Is this another example of our lives being "stolen" by advertising? If we give them this inch, will they expect a mile next time? That's a complicated and interesting debate. One that doesn't need a "spyware" strawman being tossed around in it.


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People are still a'buzz about BF 2142 and IGA. And before a single ad's been shown. I'd be scared of the wholly fictional scenarios these people conjure up to if the real world didn't provide more than enough to overload my horror receptors.

Pretty extensive interview Here

I think the short version is this: knowing how violently the audience they're trying to reach will react to invasions of privacy -- for ads or not -- will keep these people honest. Not due to any sense of honor or virtue, but by the fact that it's much more profitable for them if we don't all hate them and boycott their products.

In other news, I put a Stealth Team together today. Happiness.



These are Brian Clevingers (Of 8 bit theatres) opinion on the subject, I thought they were informative enough aswell as amusing (URL for copywrite issues: http://www.nuklearpower.com/) It also sums up just about everything I know about the issue, so yep thats my opinion too.
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Silverhawk
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well that seems a bit better.
like i said i only had a quick search on the subject and trust pc and tradjik the nweb monkeys to prove me wrong.

still dont like the idea of advertising in someting you already pay for.
for example. paytv. every channel has adds on it execpt the movie chan.
id be all for adds if the game was free or even half the standard price but a full price game... i dont know.
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Tradjik
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ea needs mo' money, yo
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reddy
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when you stuff heaps of icecream in your mouth you get brainfreeze.
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mr-homer
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and thats how you get spyware........
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Tradjik
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thas how niggaz git fuckd up
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Superbeast
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I won't be buying it thats for sure, due to the fact I wasnt getting it anyway. ;)
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Tradjik
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i will probably buy it due to the fact i already have :x
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