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Hello I would like to share some possible bug about magical weapons and properties I found, not sure if it was intended behavior or not.

After buying the new sling Sunlight Seeker in the Carnival merchant and testing it I realized that some damages were missing. So I tried to investigate on that weapons and other existing weapons to understand why.

About the Sunlight Seeker:
Properties :
Sling (1d4) Bludgeoning (str bonus apply to damages for slings)
+2d8 Bludgeoning
+5 enhancement
+1d6 divine
+1 attack against undead
+8 attack against undead
(the two last properties are kinda useless and not relevant for the test)

what the sheet say when you handle it :
1d4+str bonus (9 for me while holding a shield)
+1d6 divine
+2d8 Bludgeoning

So first it seems the +5 Bludgeoning damages from enhancement doesn't appear.

To be sure I tried the weapon with basic bullets against a training dummy.
I will only count the physical damages for the calculation.

according to the weapon description : 1d4+2d8+5+9(str) = min 17, med 25.5 max 34
according to the sheet : 1d4+2d8+9=min 12 med 20.5 max 29
according to the test : min 13 medium (on 51 hit) 20,37 max 29

So for me it's seems the sheet is accurate, and the +5 Bludgeoning for enhancement doesn't stack with the +2d8 Bludgeoning, but that the 1d4 Bludgeoning of basic damage of the weapon indeed stack.

I also tried different bullets, the one with +1d6 Bludgeoning doesn't stack, while the one with +1d6 slashing stack.
Also on a normal sling you can add a +5 enhancement that effectively give +5 attack and +5 Bludgeoning damages.

According to the person who made that weapon it seems the +2d8 was supposed to override the 1d4 and not the +5.
A solution for me to keep a weapon of the same power (because it's a really expensive one) would be to change the +2d8 Bludgeoning to +2d6 piercing, that way it doesn't override the +5 Bludgeoning damages from enhancement or the 1d4 but since it's 2d6 it keep the same damages than what was intended.

In a second time we tried to understand if the property No Damage on some weapon would fix that problem, for example by allowing the 1D6 or 2D6 slashing or piercing damages added to override the normal damages of the weapon instead of the +5 damages from enhancement.
We tried the wild blade, flash, Arrow cutter who all have the No Damage ability on training dummies to determine the damages minimum medium and maximum of each weapon and see how it works.

We ended with the conclusion that No Damage remove the basic damages of the weapon as intended but doesn't do anything about preventing 2D6 slashing (wild blade) or 2D12 slashing (arrow cutter) damages to not stack with the +5 physical damages from enhancement.

So basically for all the weapons in game who have enhancement and a physical damages bonus of the same type that the weapon basic damage type, one of the two damages bonus doesn't apply, and that even if the sheet show the two properties (it's just a visual bug).

So the no damage property shouldn't be used unless you really want to deny the base physical damage of a weapon due to weapon concept.
So, use a different type of physical damage for any bonus damage other than the weapon base damage type.

And that's all for now, thanks for reading.
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