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| Topic Started: Jul 6 2012, 03:40 PM (468 Views) | |
| Captain Vanguard | Jul 6 2012, 03:40 PM Post #1 |
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Honorary wielder of the Paladin Button.
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Ive noticed a rather vicious pattern happening latley that is reminessant of older servers I was on, in a 'bad' way. This behaviour has to stop flat out before it gets worse, and sometimes, making a loud statement makes people aware it is going on, even if little can be done against it: Inconsiderate RP: Behind characters are players. Players who put as much time and effort into their chars as you do into yours. They might have a plan for what they want their char to do which may involve some form of confrontation. But, that does not mean to say confrontation is an open thing, nor does it mean you have a right to "butt in" as you please with other peoples rp. It is considered rude, to engage in RP as a hostile agressor, on an OOC table it paints you immediatley as someone that only cares about your own interests and not the interests of others. - Always ask permission before engaging in a hostile action in RP, its a rule on the server and while im not a DM anymore that doesnt mean I cant tell you it exists and can be considered a punishable offence if you break that rule. - Try to get involved 'before' getting involved confrontationally with people. Its important to get to know characters and more importantly the people playing them so that you know what they might and might not enjoy doing you cant force your hobbies on another so theres no point trying to. - It is a matter of respect, people like to have knowladge they are in control of their chars actions and fates. If you take that away from them you are forcing on them something they do not want unless they themselves say otherwise. You are not a DM, unless you are, your authority does not overrule theirs and any DM that did that would be a poor DM indeed. Ignorant RP: This is another side of the coin. This is what I like to call an unresolved situation where by a char might be put into a difficult possition by another char be it a good char or an evil one. However, due to the absense of the player or their interest being in other subjects at the time, they compleatley forget or choose not to care about that current siutation. - So do not involve people in your RP unless you can commite to it fully. If you dont have the investable time OOC to do something thats fine but at least have the dignity to warn others and to offer them a way to go their own way for now. - Leaving a situation unresolved means "the good guy/bad guy wins" (notice I said good guy first, because more than often it is the players behind "good aligned" chars that actually cause more trouble than the ones behind bad aligned chars). This means the person that has left the situation doesnt have any reconsile for their actions later and that means even you heroes have to pay the piper when you piss off a powerful bad guy with alot of assassins or contacts, this isnt a fairy tale ending, it never will be in a setting which by definition dictates the absense of right and wrong over law and chaos. Aggressive RP: I call this one the hostile takeover. Sometimes a polite guy seems really nice and likeable and rp wise your all having fun when suddenly the rp has to be all about them. When I say all about them I mean 'ALWAYS' about them weather they are involved in something or not. - This is argueably the worst of the three so far, and undoubtably a point that needs to be cleared up. Everyone should have their moment to shine, not just 'YOU'. - Controlling other peoples storyline is like a school kid that wants everyone in the playground to play by his rules and makes it up as he goes along instead of accepting other people might have perfectly valid suggestions and ideas on what they think could be fun too. - If an EM/DM is doing this then argueably its even worse because it shows how little you understand the value of your own power, you should be considerate of other peoples opinion especially when you have the risk of loosing your power for forcing it on others. These traits "ARE" appearing on this server in the past 3-4 months. Ive seen the server population drop for a good number of reasons, not limited to how people have told me the atmosphere here is declining in its traditional values of being respectful to "all" parties. So enough of this right-wing bullcrap its time to go back to middle and admit that this stupid game of power abusing should stop right now. Yes, im putting my foot down on this one because I know not everyone will like what I say but I say it clearly. This is not directed at any one DM, any one Player, its directed at "all" the people that have been responsible for these things and need to be aware that you 'ARE' watched and 'Judged' for doing it. And people DO, say things behind your back about it. Irregardless, I am a tired man of 23 who is growing weary of this enviroment, this is not the Sigil I knew 2 years ago. I want that Sigil back, and im sure I am "not" alone in that. |
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| Silverfish | Jul 6 2012, 03:58 PM Post #2 |
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*Kistis reads*
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*Looks around uneasily*
F.. fine then..! *Sob* I'll leave.. *Cries and runs away* |
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| Captain Vanguard | Jul 6 2012, 04:20 PM Post #3 |
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Honorary wielder of the Paladin Button.
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-Cuddles- But seriously, its simply a matter of common sense and respect for the player behind the character, its not rocket science. |
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| Mr_Otyugh | Jul 6 2012, 04:45 PM Post #4 |
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After everything we've done, I'd hope it isn't. xD Re: Being watched, judged and talked behind backs. Tetris lesson of life: Achievements vanish, failures stack up until game over. *nod* Re: Common sense, there's none but I'm sure in future it'll make superhero comic sooner or later. "Jach the Common Sense man, hero whom realizes spandex or latex is actually very uncomfortable during sunny weather so he instead uses casual sporting wear. Jach also realizes that while fist can bring justice, so can AK-47."
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| Agony_Aunt | Jul 6 2012, 04:48 PM Post #5 |
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Get a Life
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Disclaimer: While Cap Vanguard is entitled to his own views and opinions, he is not a member of staff, and therefore his opinions are not policy. Just as my opinion (and also not necessarily the view of other staff as well) is that the server over the last half a year or so has seen an influx of new players, many of whom need time to adjust and learn how we prefer things here, but also welcome alternate viewpoints and styles, as long as they obey the servers rules. Sometimes people do things that others do not like or appreciate. This is not new. This is persistent, it will never go away. Its because we are all people, and we all have a knack for annoying each other. All we ask is players try and remember that if you do upset or annoy someone, try to recognize it (or maybe the other person points it out to you), and apologize. Now Cap makes some decent points, but I do feel the situation on the sever, in general, is very good, and we have a very good community. Let's keep it that way, and make SCoD the best community possible.
I had to laugh at that. 23 is far too young to become quite so jaded. At 23 i was an irresponsible student whose only interest in life was how i was going to pay for beer and rent.... with some vague thoughts about passing exams. Tell me again when you are 40 about this. And the server is changing, it will change, and not everyone will always like that change. Compared to 1 year ago though, where we had a low number of players, and poor interactions, i feel like there has been a significant improvement. Again, just my personal opinion.
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| Silverfish | Jul 6 2012, 05:26 PM Post #6 |
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Fourty? Ha! You're just a pup. Wait until you get to my age! *Shoves Agony_Aunt with a zimmer frame and toddles off to the post office, bus pass in hand* You kids don't know how good you have it. Back in my day, if we wanted to roleplay we had to gather around a table with dice and rule books! Heughheughheugh, they don't remember that do they, Maureen? ('cause all old people know someone called Maureen) Kids today, don't know they were born! My honest opinion on this, though? The server population seems really nice and friendly and I've only been here a few months so maybe I'm the bad trait appearing on the server, but if it was even better two years ago it'd have to have been very, very good. I'd say some people can act like c u next tuesdays, but those seem few and far between here. All in all I'd say just try and make the game a fun experience for those around you and through the power of vicariousnessityiousness, you too will feel happy. |
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| Mr_Otyugh | Jul 6 2012, 05:40 PM Post #7 |
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Internet makes everyone more jaded faster free access to easy information guarantees we learn stuff easily you had to put effort in back in the days (and as the saying goes, ignorance is a bliss) and generally speaking age is irrelevant from my experience. I've seen people in their 30s and 40s act like you'd expect from 12 years old and I've seen teens being thought to be much older than they are. People usually think I'm at like 30s or so and have for last 5 years.And don't worry, we'll teach you how to use the future ipads and remote controls when you get to the age ;D |
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| Tomekk | Jul 6 2012, 05:53 PM Post #8 |
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How about simply telling people that what they're doing ain't your cup of tea? Threads like this always baffle me, since the solution for all of this is so simple: just talk with them. And if that don't work... well, go elsewhere, the server isn't one small room we all have to share
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| Darkrob | Jul 6 2012, 05:58 PM Post #9 |
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Agreed. We're all "supposed" to be adults here. If you have a problem with a player... work it out. If you can't, simply avoid eachother as necessary and play with someone else. |
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| A. Thereal | Jul 6 2012, 06:11 PM Post #10 |
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I find this thread interesting and ironic for so many reasons. But mostly I’m inclined to disagree with a lot of what CaptV said. I’ve been floating around NWN and NWN2 Multiplayer for 12 years now and I’ve seen a lot of servers in that time. Of them all SCoD is the most casual and laid back environment, with the least amount of tension, and the most amount of player driven RP that I’ve seen. I would specifically like to call attention to the countless examples of OOC problem solving I’ve seen over the last 19 months. On other servers players tend not to break RP and engage in open OOC discussion in order to solve a problem or misunderstanding, but to my amazement I’ve seen this repeatedly happen on SCoD for typically positive results. I think this speaks to the player base’s desire for everyone to have a good time and get along. Unfortunately there will always be RP issues, and I don’t think anyone is truly innocent of ever being the source of one altercation or another. The important thing to remember here is that a problem takes two. If a player finds themselves irritated, annoyed, angry, etc. it’s best for the player to take a step back and identify the source and aspects of the issue before launching themselves at their instigator. More often than not these issues boil down to a miscommunication due to myriad harmless reasons. i.e. Tone lost in text, non-native english speakers, typos. These issues can be discussed and addressed one on one, in a civil manner, for much more fruitful results than making accusations at a specific player, or casting blanket accusations at no one in particular. |
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| Azulfae | Jul 6 2012, 06:54 PM Post #11 |
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Conflict Happens. Just deal with it fast efficiently, professionally and screenie the whole thing because then your as accountable for what you have said as much as the other person. If you always keep the screenie in mind you will find yourself holding on to the idea that people will later read it and you will be judged too. It helps stop you from sinking as far as the other person and makes it easier to sit back and watch them be the bigger bunghole. Then forget it and move on. Best case scenario is you read back and look what you said and how you said it and judge yourself more than the other person and learn something. P.S. I know I'm no saint and I find committing myself to sending any OOC BS i'm involved in to DM's helps me to hold myself to better standards. |
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| Hydra | Jul 6 2012, 07:01 PM Post #12 |
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In a modern world the ability to keep it cool and not taking things too much at heart, while keeping a bit of seriousness, implication and enjoyment is certainly one of the most valuable skills |
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| Agony_Aunt | Jul 6 2012, 07:14 PM Post #13 |
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Get a Life
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That is an excellent comment and definitely worth keeping in mind. And without screenies, DMs cant really say anything because its one person's word against another's, unless there is a DM who happens to witness the conflict. EDIT: And worth keeping in mind for all players, including DMs. We also need to remember we are judged, by the players themselves. |
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| Captain Vanguard | Jul 6 2012, 07:22 PM Post #14 |
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Keep in mind the point of this topic is not to demand someone does something about it, but to raise awareness that it exists. This topic eliminates what I have considered "shadow bullying" because for the past several months theres been people coming to me taking about how X did Y and yet they wont simply tell the DM instead. By raising awareness, they realise they "can" talk to the DM about their problem, and these shadow bullies (you know who you are) cannot get away with it. As said, be ready to be judged for your actions as equally as you judge others, I compleatley agree with that part. On the other hand, dont be afraid to keep a log of things they have said, and make it clear to a DM that an issue between you and another cannot be solved civilly. So to those that have talked to me in the past about their issues with others (again, no names given) tell a DM, get screenshots of the event to make sure you can post exactly what was said. The DM's here "will" handle the matter "if" they see proof of the problem, but when you tell me something that you expect me to relay to others its just going to be relayed back to me as "he said she said". Others have had this issue with people comming to them, if you dont screenshot the situation nobody can tell if your being honest. So do what I do, keep a massive-screenshot log so that every time theres a problem you can upload new information. This is the most effective way to tackle shadow bullying, it forces the issue into the surface and makes the DM aware that you and another player have an issue. Even if it doesnt give you the desired result, it makes certain your oppressor "cannot" continue to provoke you without further remification. TL:DR? - Take Screenshots - DONT be afraid to tell a DM about it, possibly two if your feeling unsure - Shadow bullies are like school bullies, they will only win if you do not tell the teacher. Once you make it clear the bully is causing you a problem, the issue "will" die down. Thank you for listening to your local ranter. |
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| Silverfish | Jul 6 2012, 08:29 PM Post #15 |
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What's a Shadow Bully? o.o; |
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but I'm sure in future it'll make superhero comic sooner or later. "Jach the Common Sense man, hero whom realizes spandex or latex is actually very uncomfortable during sunny weather so he instead uses casual sporting wear. Jach also realizes that while fist can bring justice, so can AK-47."
free access to easy information guarantees we learn stuff easily you had to put effort in back in the days (and as the saying goes, ignorance is a bliss) 




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