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| Spells lost on re-level; And ammo | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 5 2012, 04:46 PM (219 Views) | |
| Ravel's Heart | Dec 5 2012, 04:46 PM Post #1 |
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I'm curious about something. I noticed recently while relevelling a PC that when she lost wizard levels and then regained them she lost not only the spells she took on level up, but also spells previously scribed from scrolls. I don't recall relevelling a wizard previously on SCoD, but I am certain that I have done it on other servers without losing scribed spells. Is this intentional? Also, this is not a "Bug or Error" per se so much as an annoyance, but you know how there are two different flavors of most ammunition, so you can have two stacks of arrows that do not stack with one another? Is it possible that one or the other of each type could be eliminated from droplists? I am not sure why, but every time I find a few Ice Arrows and realize, "No, they don't go with this pile of ice arrows, they go with that one," a little muscle twitches below my eye. |
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| ManyFaced | Dec 5 2012, 06:13 PM Post #2 |
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Choosy testers choose Jif.
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A) Did the PC in question lose ALL of their wizard levels in the rebuild? (Such as going back to level one with the first class in question being rogue/monk/etc). B) Any and all archer QoL changes are good <3 |
| "Can everyone try just, reading what the DM writes? I think that'd be a good first step." | |
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| Ravel's Heart | Dec 5 2012, 06:22 PM Post #3 |
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Yup. Someone else suggested that might be the case as well. So it only happens when you lose all casting levels? |
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| ManyFaced | Dec 5 2012, 06:27 PM Post #4 |
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Choosy testers choose Jif.
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Yeaup, since from my limited understanding, scribed scrolls are just stored in a big lump together which are only limited on your casting CL. Chosen spells at level up are stored as part of your level up bonus (just like skills). But since you got rid of every scrap of that class, you started over with a clean slate. |
| "Can everyone try just, reading what the DM writes? I think that'd be a good first step." | |
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| Ravel's Heart | Dec 5 2012, 06:31 PM Post #5 |
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Hmm... That's annoying. So any wizard multiclass with something other than wizard as the base class faces this issue. Ah, well. |
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| WhenWizardsWar | Dec 5 2012, 07:39 PM Post #6 |
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Factotum
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Im not sure i understand whats happening with the spells. Are you de-leveling by one level and loseing not only the spells you chose at that one level but all the scrolls you memorized since gaining that level? Or all the spells you learned from scrolls PERIOD regardless of when you learned them from scrolls? |
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| Selebius | Dec 5 2012, 08:52 PM Post #7 |
Factor
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When i relevelled a wiz on another server I lost also all spells. I was lucky a DM was so nice to give me most scrolls so I only had to relearn the few bugged spells (Like a copied scroll of Etheralness resulting in Etharal Jaunt to be added to the SB). I also remember one of my wizards also lost his full spellbook when turned into a chicken on a PvP server. Nasty. Not sure it was a bug but I never use this spell in PVP nowadays. |
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| WhenWizardsWar | Dec 6 2012, 12:53 AM Post #8 |
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Factotum
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The only thing i can suggest and me and Krendate123 have done this a few times is this. It costs abit of money but if your going to de-level or re-level or what ever, scribe all the spells you can of what ever levels you could possibly lose when you de level. "If your going from level say....20 to level 1 to rebuild scribe all your scrolls it saves you a ton headache, and..i hope the staff doesnt flay me for promoteing this but it also helps you learn more spells on the next rebuild!. |
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I play: Miranda Ildesserin-"You have no idea what fear is, the greatest fear a mother can have is that of her child growing up...alone" Eisinar Mindblade: Illithid Soul Knife: "As long as I have my mind, i am never with out a weapon". Xil'ar'ran'oss-Beholder Psion:What do you mean "IF" looks could kill? | |
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| Ravel's Heart | Dec 6 2012, 01:59 AM Post #9 |
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Let's say I have a wizard. At level one he takes Protection from Evil, Mage Armor, Grease, Identify, and Reduce Person. Then I scribe all the lesser orb spells. Later I gain ten levels in various classes. I then delevel for whatever reason, removing All Wizarding Levels (AWL). When I regain my wizard levels, I can take re-take the five spells I took initially. (I lost them when I de-levelled, remember.) But the lesser orb spells which I scribed are also missing. |
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| Ceremorph | Dec 6 2012, 04:47 AM Post #10 |
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Probably because of how the spells are stored. If you don't have wizard levels, it doesn't accept that you'd be able to choose spells... thus wiping out your spellbook, because the game engine figures a non-wizard wouldn't need a spellbook (and in actuality, the spellbook is a class feature which you gain upon your first wizard or other spellcasting level). The same thing should conceivably happen with any spellcasting class. Remember that when you delevel, the engine doesn't just say "boom you're level one", it instead remembers what you took at each level. It's a combination of the 2da files and the bic files working together that does this; I don't remember exactly which ones come into play here, but I have actually seen something that should cause this effect. |
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| Ravel's Heart | Dec 6 2012, 07:05 AM Post #11 |
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I understand, Cere. Maybe if I get motivated next week I'll try it again with a PC who has wizard as a base class, just to satisfy my curiosity, but I think that MF is right. I am almost certain that the other wizard I delevelled had wiz as his first class. |
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| AniKai | Dec 6 2012, 08:18 AM Post #12 |
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The living paradox
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Can see reasoning of spell-wipe though. It'd break major havok if one retained the Wizard spells scribed and then decided to re-roll as a Sorcerer instead... |
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| Agony_Aunt | Dec 6 2012, 08:44 AM Post #13 |
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Get a Life
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Makes sense from a coding perspective and from what I understand of BIC structure and whatnot. As the last wiz level is removed it decides that all knowledge of arcane spells is not needed and wipes the info. |
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