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| Roleplaying Imprisonment/capturing | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 29 2013, 08:10 PM (1,682 Views) | |
| Darkrob | Aug 29 2013, 10:52 PM Post #16 |
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Doesn't matter. This throws up a block to proper RP. It's "Anti-RP" in the fact you are forced to ignore the RP (criminal) of others to remain playing your own (law enforcement) characters. Roleplaying game, simulator, whatever... it goes against RP. Sorry guys... but you made a step backwards with this one. |
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Charles Goodman - owner of The Consortium and Chairman of the Syndicate - Indep and Merkhant Daniela Nokomis- "The Enclave" - Vampiress, The woman in White, Soul Stealer, Merchant Garen Seph - Fraternity of Order B3 "You may think you have us surrounded, but in reality you have simply put us in a target rich environment." | |
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| Licca | Aug 29 2013, 11:01 PM Post #17 |
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On the contrary. I don't think this throws a block to proper RP, and I'll go ahead and follow the guidance recently imposed. The way I personally see it is that RP is not about YOU. It's about interaction, and promoting other folks RP. If it means I have to sit out for a few days (or weeks) to make someone's RP good, then so be it. |
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| Mr_Otyugh | Aug 29 2013, 11:02 PM Post #18 |
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You do realize Harmonium are the sole biggest reason why this is made? It's not the villains who are main reason behind this, it's the general view of guards and Harmonium like philosophy in here and just about every other server I've played that they are given DM given right to toss other players into limbo like trash and without basic decency toward the other player. Heck villain players are shouted at almost immediately if they even try to step on someones toes, and they can be limited by any rules, but nope... guards/Hardheads have to have DM given right to ignore any common decency. I'd like to think both sides are given same rights... villain or law. |
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| Darkrob | Aug 29 2013, 11:04 PM Post #19 |
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And if I have to ignore RP to continue to enjoy the use of my character? That's anti-RP. Proper RP, in this situation, would be for people to have to live with the RP fallout they create. If you want to play a thug, great... all the power to you, but when your RP forces me to lose mine... it's no longer RP. It's anti-RP. |
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Charles Goodman - owner of The Consortium and Chairman of the Syndicate - Indep and Merkhant Daniela Nokomis- "The Enclave" - Vampiress, The woman in White, Soul Stealer, Merchant Garen Seph - Fraternity of Order B3 "You may think you have us surrounded, but in reality you have simply put us in a target rich environment." | |
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| Darkrob | Aug 29 2013, 11:06 PM Post #20 |
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The decision is made. It's done. No amount of arguing is going to change this. You're not going to budge, I'm not going to budge. You run the place so all I can do is back down and retire my Harmonium character as I cannot properly RP him. Continuing to debate this, with no chance of changing it, is a waste of time and effort. It is what it is. |
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Charles Goodman - owner of The Consortium and Chairman of the Syndicate - Indep and Merkhant Daniela Nokomis- "The Enclave" - Vampiress, The woman in White, Soul Stealer, Merchant Garen Seph - Fraternity of Order B3 "You may think you have us surrounded, but in reality you have simply put us in a target rich environment." | |
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| Kiuna | Aug 29 2013, 11:08 PM Post #21 |
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Hmm... I don't usually capture people, but well... I can see DarkRob's point, as well as that of the imprisoned/ captive. I do think, though, that simply putting someone in prison and then 'going back on patrol' is a bit harsh. Sure they broke the law, and the Harmonium character didn't choose this to happen, but the Harmonium player knows this is a possibility when deciding to be a policing force. If you arrest/ capture someone, it's only fair you do RP with them along the way. However, going so far as to say that the arresting/ capturing character is completely out of other RP is a bit harsh too. While there should in theory always be guards at a prison, they would circulate. So it should be the faction, rather than the single individual who has to keep an eye on things at the prison. (This only applies to arrests, of course, and not kidnappings). When that's all said and done, however, there are a few points to take into consideration: 1. People are not on at the same time. If you have a captive and the person goes offline, then you're free to go do something else. 2. Talk with your captive OOCly. Most people are not gonna be unreasonable, as long as you don't have them sitting and staring at the wall for hours. 3. Talk with your Faction (or Factions, in the case of prison) and set up some kind of rotation. Unless, you're alone and it's a kidnapping, then you have to go back to 1 and 2 ![]() 4. While this may sound just as harsh as not wanting to RP with someone you caught, or as harsh as getting put out of RP for a length of time because you did - don't play a policing force, if you don't like putting people in jail. Plenty of other options. I do think that the rule should be loosened somewhat, though. The character breaking the law, for instance, shouldn't be entitled to constant surveilance, but shouldn't be completely out of RP either. Something like 30 minutes without RP or something, and he or she can start plotting how to escape. It gives the policing forces some leeway, while at the same time guaranteeing the captive RP. |
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| Licca | Aug 29 2013, 11:16 PM Post #22 |
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I don't really see how it's anti-RP when not RPing promotes better RPing with the thug/criminal character in question. I think worrying about your own RP due to other folks' RP is a bit short-sighted. |
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| Ceremorph | Aug 29 2013, 11:22 PM Post #23 |
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Or you can just treat this the same as PvP: discuss with the other player OOC before you get into something like that. Let's also remember about the whole "committing a crime" thing... if someone is assaulting or killing another character, there should be a good RP reason behind it, otherwise it falls into griefing. Your hardhead character is there to enforce the laws of the city, not the rules of the server. Sure, if, say, Huntress were to try to murder Nienna in the middle of the bazaar (just as an example), she'd be doing that in full knowledge that she'd probably be arrested (if she survived the attempt) and I'd be interested in playing out the scene with the arresting officer, witnesses, the affronted party, and anyone else. On the other hand, if some asshat simply logs on and decides to break some laws to force you out of your own RP to deal with it, it's more worthy of a note to the DMs than actually trying to arrest someone who's unwilling to RP out what's happening. And of course, while you're keeping an eye on that berk you just arrested, your friends can always come visit you (as long as they're not doomguards or anarchists, and what the hell would a hardhead be doing with friends like that?). |
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| Darkrob | Aug 29 2013, 11:34 PM Post #24 |
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I see your points, I really do... I'm not illogical or simply being stubborn for something to do... I simply do not agree with it. Seeing as I do not agree with the rule, I will not put my characters into any situations that will force me to comply with the rule. That means my Hardhead character will no longer be played. This is a personal choice. I cannot abide by the rule so I will not place myself into a situation to break it. Thanks but no thanks. This is RP breaking for me as the player of a Hardhead. It's not going to change. |
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| Kari_Shadowfox | Aug 30 2013, 02:44 AM Post #25 |
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In real life, there's this thing called "Settling out of court". So you see, it is perfectly possible for your hardhead (and maybe his guvner friend) to give a lawbreaker a choice - got to court be stuck in prison, etc etc OR agree to do something that won't put both your characters out of play - a few days supervised community service, or something - as a SETTLEMENT of the matter OUTSIDE of court. Police do this all the time in the real world, to my knowledge. |
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| Agony_Aunt | Aug 30 2013, 04:50 AM Post #26 |
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Get a Life
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It is why i said, if there is nobody willing to taken on the responsibility, simply negotiate with the other player a punishment. |
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| Cadence | Aug 30 2013, 05:09 AM Post #27 |
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It would be ideal if imprisonment RP could be handled swiftly between the parties involved, but everyone has lives outside this video game (except Agony Aunt::troll:: ) and often times it becomes a protracted affair due to conflicting schedules. I think DMs/EMs not originally involved in the arrest should only get involved if there is a protraction not acceptable to one of the parties involved - otherwise it can just be handled between the parties involved. Of course, this usually is the case and I think that's why the rule was put in place. Oh, and just wanted to throw this out: Prison RP doesn't have to be tedious/boring!! Yes you get out of the usual RP venues, but this is an opportunity to make new connections with (N)PCs in prison. Badger your buddies (or me when I'm on the DM client) to make an inmate or Mercykiller character to interact with your player. A couple of years back, I actually had a lot of fun RPing with Spehss Marine in the Mercykiller Prison - and our two PCs became close friends as cellmates. We would literally RP all the nuances, trials and tribulations of imprisonment between our two PCs - I found it quite entertaining. |
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| Ykhare | Aug 30 2013, 10:06 AM Post #28 |
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As I see it, the people put in jail have as much a right to access to RP as the arresting characters. If they let you arrest them to begin with instead of logging off or godmodding it off, there's decent hope they weren't in it just for the HRP annoyance and don't particularly deserve OOC punishment. That *you* may now be their only possible source of RP (or almost so) should place them a bit higher on the priority list than socializing at Khazeet's with established friends. Many servers have similar rules not to let people rot unattended till doomsday. Though if it is somehow overwhelming because there are too many jail-worthy lawbreakers vs agents of the law, that should be dealt with too. Maybe other regulars have or would like to create characters with good reasons (and clearance to) visit prisoners even if they're not of the Triad. And the "offender" should be willing to play an alt at least part of the time if the jailer needs be away ingame for faction or significant personal roleplay (again, should be something a bit more unique and time-sensitive than hanging out at Khazeet's or other situations and encounters that said jailer could enjoy at any other times). |
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| Agony_Aunt | Aug 30 2013, 10:43 AM Post #29 |
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Get a Life
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One of the problems our server frequently faces is the lack of bad guys. Sure, there are plenty of evil characters, standing around the Bazaar, all of them being about as evil as a brick. Yes, evil doesn't mean you must be a cardboard cutout villan, and good people can commit crimes due to their ideologies. Either way, we often lack conflict characters, which really leads to stagnation on the server, so its a good thing if we have more (ICly) conflict characters. And like many good film/TV serieses, the bad guy doesn't always have to be captured at the end. He may win a few battles, good may prevail in the end, but its always funny when the bad guy has his secret helicopter as an escape route, ready to return to terrorize the good guys another day. |
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| cryptc | Aug 30 2013, 10:50 AM Post #30 |
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Only thing more boring than prison RP is trial RP... I just suggest quickly playing out how events proceed from the capture and come to some agreement there... it doesn't have to be days of downtime RL if you can quickly agree with the opposing player how it will play out (and if that player is really really wanting a trial, they go on my naughty list for christmas, I have only ever had one fun trial happen ingame, and that was on a previous server, and where we'd already decided the verdict long before the trial started, just played it out for maximum effect) |
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