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Bugbear Elite Has Turn Undead?
Topic Started: Aug 30 2014, 11:40 AM (202 Views)
Tomekk
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In over four years I've never seen them cast a cleric spell... why do they suddenly have Turn Undead?
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And in terror they run and hide,
From the shadows of old we rise,
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Over the ancient ruins we fly,
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And the new kingdoms rising high,
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Orlitoq
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Do they have Cleric levels, or something like Black Guard which grants access to Turning without all the fun spells?
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(Agony_Aunt @ Jul 29 2014, 07:34 AM)
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Midnight
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If you mean the ones in Clangor, I think they're Blackguards.
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Tomekk
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These are the Undersigil ones. Blackguard levels could probably never muster the HD needed to turn an epic level undead anyhow.
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And in terror they run and hide,
From the shadows of old we rise,
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And the new kingdoms rising high,
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Orlitoq
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Are you sure it was a bugbear, and not a party member?

Many a cleric did not realize that Turn Undead could pop an undead party memeber...
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Tomekk
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Orlitoq,Aug 30 2014
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Are you sure it was a bugbear, and not a party member?

Many a cleric did not realize that Turn Undead could pop an undead party memeber...

Yes.
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And in terror they run and hide,
From the shadows of old we rise,
Awakened, from the dark!

Over the ancient ruins we fly,
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And the new kingdoms rising high,
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Elites get special abilities. My guess is you simply have never gone up against one playing an undead (or having one in the party) before.

The AI is not clever, but generally not so stupid to use Turn Undead unless there is an undead to turn.

EDIT: Oh wait, you mean the regular bugbear elites in under sigil? Not the elite spawns that occur randomly with any monster? Still applies though.

And also, we havent changed under sigil spawns in a while, so they must have always had it.
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Tomekk
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Well yes, never had undead with me there before. I'd humbly suggest it be removed, kind of gives the area another spike of unnecessary difficulty if you're unlucky.
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And in terror they run and hide,
From the shadows of old we rise,
Awakened, from the dark!

Over the ancient ruins we fly,
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And the new kingdoms rising high,
Awakened, from the dark, dark slumber!"
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I sometimes wonder why we bother creating multiple areas with different enemies to face when people think the best solution is to ask for a nerf.

If you are facing bugbear elites i presume your character is at least ECL 3 or 4? Probably higher? You could go to grey wastes and happily not face any turning there and be immune to the ghouls' diseases. Perhaps you could be even ready for Brux? Outlands?

If first level Slags might be ok.

Hopefully mechanus will be ready within a few weeks or less. Thats going to be another lowbie area.

If you tell us what build you have so far can perhaps advise you better.
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Tomekk
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Undersigil is supposed to be the first area anyone can go to do and perform reasonably well. Over the years its difficulty has been ramped up by quite a few powercreep encounters like the vivisectionist or the death knights with their scythes that just serve to create a party wipe.

I am not asking for a nerf because I was killed, but because this is supposed to be the level 1-3 area and should be free of such encounters that serve nothing but to wipe your group.
"From the realms below we ride,
And in terror they run and hide,
From the shadows of old we rise,
Awakened, from the dark!

Over the ancient ruins we fly,
Where the old kings go to die,
And the new kingdoms rising high,
Awakened, from the dark, dark slumber!"
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The Bugbear Brigand Elite in Undersigil 3 (same level as the orc blacksmith) only has ranger levels. Someone who understands the workings of the spawn script can tell you if you got an elite elite...
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So based on what Cere says there is nothing to nerf.

And Tom - if you are not strong enough for the death skellies or the vivisectionist... Dont go there. Although i srem to recall we discussed the vivisectionist being an issue because its tough and right where a newb might easily get killed by it. I think we suggested nerfing that but not sure we did.
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Mr_Otyugh
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They do have turn undead toggled on in the feats list. My guess is that it has been a missclick when removing something like disarm or adding two weapon defense *shrugs* At the moment I can but speculate it... but needless to say, they shouldn't have it.
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There, uploaded a fixed version that is easy to add even as a hotfix.
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:respect:
"From the realms below we ride,
And in terror they run and hide,
From the shadows of old we rise,
Awakened, from the dark!

Over the ancient ruins we fly,
Where the old kings go to die,
And the new kingdoms rising high,
Awakened, from the dark, dark slumber!"
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