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Coming Soon - New Summons!
Topic Started: Mar 9 2015, 04:51 AM (1,218 Views)
Aslya
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It works; the feat, and the demonologist class feature.
I wish there was a feat augmenting their duration, too, though.
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Aslya,Apr 2 2015
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It works; the feat, and the demonologist class feature.
I wish there was a feat augmenting their duration, too, though.

There is... but its only for Druids.
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Mostly have alot of experience with the LE Summon Monster IX. Which is a real killer. That one, unlike the Gated one, actually does alot of dmg. It's AC is still crap of course, which might be a balancing factor, so it tends to die to certain things alot.
Also it tends to prio spells at the wrong moment. Such as when melee is already going strong. It was kinda fun to see it Disjunct the Hellfire Erinyes though :D
The Gated lawful summon, when I tried it... Just died. It did not manage to do anything before being pummeled into the dirt by a cornugon.

Summon Monster VII seems to be quite awesome as well. Granted, only seen it used second hand by a party member. But it seemed to do what it should, spam hurty spells.

And this was not with my demonologist character. Would expect slightly harder summons with that one due to increased toughness and AB.

Still leaves the Bound Fiend with a questionable worth. The ECL 25 one is still non-epic(in every way :() and does not have any other feats than the autogranted ones from class. It also does not do alot of pummeling... and the Erinyes is somewhat better than the Incubi. Although, it can be buffed which is good and lets it stay around longer unless one accidentally Dismisses it.

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There is one massive advantage to the bound fiend: it stays around all day, so unlike a summon who'll be gone in a couple minutes, you can buff it to your heart's content (and trust me, a bound fiend in a PC-worthy gerbil ball is a force to be reckoned with).

I do find it funny you say the erinyes is better than the incubus, as they are statistical clones.
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Not exactly clones... Erinyes has better weapons. And a massive two points higher SR :o

Still it would be nice if they got some more feats. Improved Critical(Bow and blade) for instance... Perhaps Epic Divine Might, if boosted to lvl 21 for the ECL 25 one.
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Dumah - Vampire Ravager(ECL 23)
Ner'ghul - A Patient Sinker(ECL 27)
Szordrin d'Valloth - Demonologist and planar scholar(ECL 27)
Malekh Varanis - Braggart Swordsman(ECL 29)
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Nerull,Apr 2 2015
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Aslya,Apr 2 2015
03:54 AM
It works; the feat, and the demonologist class feature.
I wish there was a feat augmenting their duration, too, though.

There is... but its only for Druids.

What ? What is it ? Never heard about that.
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Lucadia
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I keep having problems with the Ai on the deva summons. they like to run back and forth from the summoner to the target but wont attack and just keep running back and forth. Iv tried all the settings on behavior but its not done anything for them.
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Looks like on average they get 2 extra points of damage on their arrows. Not quite sure how that happenned, but... possibly something worth fixing.
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Some feedback on LE summons:
The Excruciarch seems a little underpowered for its level, though it's definitely better than the elementals were. It also has paladin feats instead of blackguard feats, which is a bit strange. One reason it seems ineffective could be because it's clearly tweaked to fight good-aligned enemies, of which there aren't a lot.
The Amnizu has the "Angel Protective Aura" feat. :'-)
The Dogai has more offhand attacks than mainhand attacks. It also doesn't seem to Sneak Attack often, although it's hard to tell what with Death Attack not showing up as Sneaks unless you have raw SA feats, which he doesn't.
The amazing Brachina Hellknight also has the Angel Protective Aura feat. Aha...
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Not sure if this was intended to be impacted on not. Fiendish Legacy feat (monster summoning V) first two times used brings the shadow dog (useless even at level 9) and third use brings a dogai for my LE warlock (Dogai is kickass btw). I would assume this would follow the same alignment considerations as the new monster summoning changes.

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Very weird. So right now you somehow manage to get both the old-style and new-style summons? I did not update Fiendish Legacy in Phase I, so all I can think of is that an odd glitch occurred.
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Using the Legacy feat granted by the Iggwilv set gave me a shadow mastiff, though admittedly I only cast it once per rest.
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That's what it should be. That's one of the tweaks I'm planning on implementing as part of Phase II.
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I figured, but I thought extra confirmation would help. :P Also, that is pretty great. It's one of those things that sorely needs a buff. Also, this might seem pedantic, but the Iggwilv bracers having Augment Summoning seems kind of overkill given the current existence of the Demonologist PrC. That said, it's a pretty minor issue, so if it stays I don't, uh, care too much.
Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run, but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant.
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Indeed, the obvious set choice for most demonologist give a mandatory feat for them; quite weird in that regard. The ideal would be (non-implemented) feat like Summoning Concentration (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Summoning_Concentration_%283.5e_Feat%29) , or anything else duration-related, for a more 'dedicated summoner' approach.
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