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| Topic Started: Mar 25 2015, 02:38 PM (965 Views) | |
| Mick64 | Mar 25 2015, 02:38 PM Post #1 |
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New PrC coming up in the next update. A PrC that focuses on fighting enemies that use magic. They give up the use of spells in exchange for harsh training against those who use magic as a weapon, protecting themselves and their allies from spells while disrupting casters. If you have a PC that thinks that magic is vile, dishonorable, or otherwise unfit for their use, then this is the class for you! Full details are on the wiki. |
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| doc | Mar 25 2015, 06:42 PM Post #2 |
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what about adding some spellcraft ranks as requirement, like 4 ranks? |
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| Mick64 | Mar 25 2015, 06:47 PM Post #3 |
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Considering Spellcraft is a cross-class skill for most classes that should be building into this, I'm not sure that is a great idea. What was your reason for it? |
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| Orlitoq | Mar 25 2015, 07:02 PM Post #4 |
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Who invited this guy?
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Some spellcraft makes sense as this is the sort of person who might have some basic understanding of what a magic user would be doing, and it is very useful for someone wanting to disrupt magic to have an idea as to what magic they are disrupting. Beyond that, yeah skills are too few for most of the classes that would want to pursue this... Maybe instead of a requirement go with a skill bonus to Spellcraft?
Is that one minute cumulative, or continuous? What is the range of the effect? |
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| Mick64 | Mar 25 2015, 07:14 PM Post #5 |
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They have Spellcraft on their class skills for this reason, so they can put point in it without feeling bad. Curseguard is permanant, until the target spends around a minute away from the Mage Slayer (Around twenty meters). You'll also get a warning when it's about to go down, if you get back next to the Mage Slayer within 6 seconds of the warning it will stay up. |
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| doc | Mar 25 2015, 08:40 PM Post #6 |
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this. plus, high bab, hit die d12 and all high saves make up for having to forfeit some skill points. i'd say 3 ranks of spellcraft is nothing dramatic anyway. |
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| Gazoo | Mar 25 2015, 11:00 PM Post #7 |
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Max levels to the prc class = 5? Assuming this from the wiki info, as it is not explicit. Skill selection is nice and SR at 30 levels would be something if no max level, heh. |
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| Mick64 | Mar 25 2015, 11:34 PM Post #8 |
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It's a 5 level PRC, yes. |
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| Orlitoq | Mar 25 2015, 11:35 PM Post #9 |
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Who invited this guy?
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Some races/classes get SR = (Character level + 11), so a max of SR = (5 + your character level + twice Mage Slayer level) does not strike me as unreasonable considering how many races take a hefty Level Adjustment (LA). The former can grant a max of 41, while the latter grants a max of 45. Both would be lower in the cases of LA deducting from level cap of 30. Seems reasonable to me, but I carry no authority and am just stating my opinion. (Added listing of level cap and range of Curseguard to wiki entry) |
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| doc | Mar 25 2015, 11:41 PM Post #10 |
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the rakshasa gets SR 45 at full build and i think that's the highest among the races. i have no problem with current SR provisions for this prc, still a simple 5/10+hit die would be more balanced, imho. most importantly, though, i would move it at level 3 to avoid one-level dips just to get the SR. |
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| LadyLightning | Mar 25 2015, 11:46 PM Post #11 |
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Consider that the maximum spell penetration bonus you can gain, ever, is +38. 30 caster levels + 4 practiced spellcaster (because doubled up levels), +4 from the Spell Penetration feats. Even SR41 gives you a 10% chance to resist spells cast by the pinnacle of non- ECL spellcasting. SR45 is a 30% chance to resist them. On top of saving throws checking for 1s. What this means is that you have to fight a known Mage Slayer with spells that don't allow Spell Resistance or reduce their damage with a saving throw, such as the Orb of <Element> spells. The class strikes me as situationally powerful against magick-using enemies, but far from ~over~powered, as they can't buff themselves with spells, and the RP involved in their flavour discourages them from accepting beneficial spells from magicians, or even having magicians as friends. They can't use wands, or equip Boots of the Sun Soul without monk levels, and their beneficial magick is restricted to what appears on potions, apparently. |
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| Mick64 | Mar 25 2015, 11:46 PM Post #12 |
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I doubt there are going to be many 1-level dip, since taking 3 (non-fighter) feats, a class slot and not being able to use spells for 7+HD spell resistance is not exactly strong. LL: Actually you can get much higher then that if you're really optimising for spell penetration (Red wizard, and Epic Spell Penetration), and even if you're not, there are spells that reduce SR. That said the class was designed with PvE in mind, not PvP and was not balanced around it either. Just a little something I realised, a little mistake from me when I copy-pasted the description: They CAN use UMD, and CANNOT use spell effect from any source. Which means Boots of the Soul Sun is yes (if you really want to invest in UMD just for that) but potions are NO. Wiki updated with the actual ability. |
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| Orlitoq | Mar 26 2015, 12:50 AM Post #13 |
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No potions? Ouch... Does "CANNOT use spell effect from any source" mean they can, or cannot, be buffed by someone else? |
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| Mick64 | Mar 26 2015, 01:36 AM Post #14 |
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They can still be buffed by someone else yes, if they accept it and the person wants to buff them. |
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| StoneCold | Mar 27 2015, 01:37 AM Post #15 |
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Wizard Slayers typically forsake magic via an oath similar to a sacred fist swearing a vow to never use weapons. I wouldn't believe that a wizard slayer allowing others to cast buffs on them would be consistent with the class. It shouldn't be much of an issue anyway considering it's easy enough to find +5 attributes. JMO. Those in charge can discuss at their leisure if they so choose to.
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