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| Topic Started: Sep 5 2015, 05:43 PM (1,337 Views) | |
| Niryain | Sep 5 2015, 05:43 PM Post #1 |
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Anarch at Heart
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Knowing the crack this game is and how few things are available god knows I'll be back around in three to eight months or whatever, but for now I'm getting fed up with things and yes this is going to be a post about everything wrong with the server so abandon all hope, ye who enter here. Balance, the grind, the economy, all is whack. But I've yelled about this in two other threads now so I'm sure you can just read my post history to see everything I find wrong with the systems. To put it succinctly it's absurd that Sigil goes from a fast, easy, rewarding grind to Asian MMO levels in a week. Faction balance is whack. Might as well call this Sigil City of Sensates and Mercykillers. Because that's all I see. This has various domino effects, none of which are pleasant save for members of those factions. Newer players see these factions being the most active/populous ones and so are more inclined to roll them themselves or have their Clueless or whatever join on up. These factions are (Ostensibly at least) easier to RP/DM for too I imagine, and so they get a greater brunt of attention, again due to the player count in them. And even when things aren't specifically tailored to a faction, the player count within them means that when something happens a factioneer of one of these things is very likely to be involved, which can well rope the rest of the faction in. It just spirals in ridiculous ways. Not to mention other factions feel toothless. I've toyed with being Harmonium, Athar, Anarch, and one or two others but here those factions have no teeth at all. "Stop, criminal scum! Or don't. If you don't want to. I can't actually attack you." No PvP does help smooth over bad feels and tensions, but it also means that everyone's wearing kid gloves in IC interactions. And this is baaaad for factions whose main things are 'we hit things'. Instead of that we have Bad Philosophy Hour from these factions and nothing else. We've all seen the multiple Athar PCs that do nothign other than stand in the bazaar and rant about atheism because what else can they do? They can't really run around threatening PC clergy or whatever. It just makes these factions a chore to play at best and actively boring/toothless at worst. Sigil's at this weird conflux of wanting to be three things at once. It wants to be an action server. The easy to a point, repeatable, reasonably high gear (Excluding the absurd special store) all point to that. The fact that if you know how to abuse the systems in the right way and don't do anything else you can hit 29 or 30 in a few days speaks to that too. It wants to be a social server. You have female nudes and multiple races whose entire RP can be summed up as 'really likes sex'. I see a lot of crossover players between here and Haven. This speaks to the low conflict/PvP end of things too. It wants to be an RP server. That's what it advertises as so I won't elaborate there. But in trying to be all three things at once it kind of fails at all three. Which is a damn shame, as there are neat custom systems here and I love Planescape as a setting. The server just represents it so very, very poorly. So there you have it for now. See you later. Maybe. Who knows with this game. |
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Level 30 Forum Warrior Also I sometimes play on the server I guess. “I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” | |
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| Miraie | Sep 5 2015, 05:54 PM Post #2 |
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I'm sorry to hear that. Please be well, wherever you go. As for faction balance and events, I recommend that all players who are involved with the (relatively) small factions take the initiative and use the public EM listing for springing up faction events that engage them and hopefully other players as well. It may be impossible for us to spot every player, no matter how much we want to. But I hope we can at least be an approachable community where you can get your voice heard. PVP is always a delicate issue, as well. Technically nothing stops you from challenging other players. They can walk away, of course, but you are still creating some trouble. It is unwise to initiate combat without a clear goal, however. What can I gain from this conflict? Will it be fun to play? Am I making someone uncomfortable? These are all questions to ask. |
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| Hydra | Sep 5 2015, 06:02 PM Post #3 |
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You know what I think, its hard to commit unless you've a solid grip on things. Be well wherever you go and see you in a year ?
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- Kala Ta'Kan : Factor of the Beleivers of the Source - Ash (Kazuko Yudeoshi) - Safana Washedan - and many other alts. | |
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| Iggwilv | Sep 5 2015, 06:39 PM Post #4 |
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Witch Queen of Perrenland
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It is always sad to see a player leave. Good bye and good luck, and always feel welcomed back should you change your mind. |
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| RyzaJr | Sep 5 2015, 06:51 PM Post #5 |
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I don't know too much 'bout factions RP since I just want to play the game and haven't really joined anything. I like more the action aspect than the social. The PvP issue is strange I think as well. I want to play a chaotic evil troll but there's nothing chaotic evil about him. He can't attack anyone really or make himself available for attack. ... Also, what is the third thing the server is trying to be? I don't think it was said. |
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| Brindas | Sep 5 2015, 10:35 PM Post #6 |
Greybeard
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I agree that the Harmonium are basically toothless. But I don't think it needs to be handled by players, since it means pointless pvp. I wish a DM/EM would seriously punish PCs who do obviously illegal things and are caught doing so. This cuts both ways, of course. I'm up for more lasting and firm IC consequences for IC actions. If you play someone who wants to mouth off to guards and break every law, there's a prison in Sigil for a reason. Or get good friends in the Doomguard to protect you or something. If I had a character who did random stupid crimes (and I have on other servers) I don't consider them being imprsioned or even killed a *punishment*. I consider it good roleplay. As it is, I don't play any murderous or lawbreaking characters BECAUSE there are no consequences. Seriously. Set harsher limits for characters that do dumb things. Most people want their characters to be punished when they do stuff for which they should be: or they want to rp being on the LAM. Note: I said when characters do dumb things and should be punished. These are not OOC punishments. Playing a CE psychopath isn't inherently dumb, but they DO tend to get curbstomped. |
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| DigitalDragoon | Sep 5 2015, 11:19 PM Post #7 |
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For the complaint about the number of sensates..We were actually fairly few in number until about mid-july. We just remained active and tried to recruit, eventually it paid off. |
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| Hydra | Sep 6 2015, 01:55 AM Post #8 |
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Ol' Hydra
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So you're basically saying that everyone should be extremely aggressive with recruitment so they have a chance to get some attention ? |
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- Kala Ta'Kan : Factor of the Beleivers of the Source - Ash (Kazuko Yudeoshi) - Safana Washedan - and many other alts. | |
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| FiveWhats | Sep 6 2015, 02:46 AM Post #9 |
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I came here to splash at you.
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I don't think that's what they're saying. The only reason it comes off that way is because there are a handful more Sensate players (granted with a relatively small community just having a couple is still a pretty significant amount of the active population) and they've been attempting to recruit people. That's it. It's not aggressive recruitment, it's just recruitment. Having an ingame presence that people actually like is always going to interest more people and it just snowballs from there into extra activity for the faction. The most efficient method of getting DM/EM attention is always going to be throwing out plot hooks. Give them something to work off and you can move on from there into Fun Stuff either on the forums or ingame. Otherwise, you're always going to be reliant on whatever they happen to feel like doing (hint: it probably isn't something involving the Revolutionary League or Xaos because they haven't had a post in their factional forums in two-three months) at the time. |
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| Ariella | Sep 6 2015, 02:56 AM Post #10 |
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Good luck to you, i hope you find someplace to have fun!. As a side note DM's and EM's set the stage but its up to the players to write the story, If you want an event for a faction you have to be willing to push it forward. The larger factions get more attention as there is more players doing so. Message an EM from the public listing with an idea or request and typically one will accept it, so long as its not just about you or some reward. |
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Do not hesitate to send me a PM if you: - Require assistance with a staff or player conflict - Would like to join the testing team - Waiting on a staff ruling for longer then a week - Want to join or start an event for the Harmonium, Transcendent Order, or Free League Trissa, Sensate Factotum - True Wisdom and knowledge comes from experience. Beladra d'Phiarlan, Harmonium Namer - I will bleed for my Golden Harmony, Get in our way and so will you. | |
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| Niryain | Sep 6 2015, 03:28 AM Post #11 |
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Anarch at Heart
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It's an easy faction. It demands little. 'Do things' and 'write creatively on the forums every now and then'. It's not a faction you need to build or define your character over. A Dustman is defined by being a Dustman. You are going to not like Life. You are going to not like passion. There are more ways to make a Sensate work I'll admit, and the faction can demand VERY little of your character's attention or personality and you can still be an exemplary member of it. That likely accounts for a lot of it. It's a faction that doesn't take a lot of philosophy. Doesn't take a lot of thought. Doesn't take a tailored character concept. I would argue even then that it's more than a 'handful'. I can count five, six, seven active ones. Maybe more. Compare that to other factions. Our active Xao is semi-active and an alt. I was the only Signer in my timezone that I knew of. We have no militantly active Athar mains, or any Athar in general I think. Harmonium burn out now and then because of, again, toothlessness. I actually discount Anarchs from this. I'm fine with not knowing how many of them there are/what they might or might not be up to. That's kind of the whole point of the faction. I don't think the answer of 'beg for events', which is what's essentially been offered here, is the answer. Other factions have to do no such thing. One or two member factions would essentially be begging for private events. Especially factions like the Signers. Our entire thing is 'self centered, all about us'. I should not have to do something to have fun that members of a select few factions do not have to do. That is unfair and through unfairness one breeds bitterness and, well. This. |
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Level 30 Forum Warrior Also I sometimes play on the server I guess. “I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” | |
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| MimiFearthegn | Sep 6 2015, 04:09 AM Post #12 |
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This is completely and totally false. I get that its quite upsetting to be the only person in a faction - my character was too last year. Its not that fun to have the burden of doing faction things almost entirely on your shoulders. But here's the facts about the "popular" factions: There were 2-3 Sensates until a few months ago (and one of them was my character, and I was gone a lot). What changed? Trissa went on a massive recruiting spree with Trissa, Quinn threw a party, and Taurus Daggerknight made a new Festhall. That's 100% player action there. Look at the Sensate forums. Best I can tell, there were no DM-started events for Sensates for years. In fairness, there were also no Sensates who would necessarily answer (same as with the Signers right now). Only in the past few weeks have DM's / EM's volunteered to do anything. Before then, if a DM posted, its probably because a player begged for attention - or at least made an IC forum post. Doomguard only rose to prominence in the last year. Mercykillers have had prominence on and off for about a year. While both factions do get things run for them, they also make the majority of their own fun. How did they rise to prominence? Largely around the personalities of the PCs who currently are most highly ranked. So yeah, they did all start from player-to-player interaction. Yes, it was tough for someone in every faction at some point. But if you really want to know why X faction isn't super populated - look to the reasons why you don't want to be the lone Signer. Its not fair to blame the community for not doing something you're not willing to do either. |
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Do not hesitate to send me a PM if you: - Have questions about building, or joining the Dev Team - Want to join or start an event for the Mercykillers, Fated, or Signers - You have been waiting more than 2 days for me to post in an IC forum thread | |
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| Devil's Elysium | Sep 6 2015, 04:09 AM Post #13 |
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Damp Pope of Eris Discordia
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See you around, hopefully. Don't do anything I wouldn't do. |
| Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run, but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant. | |
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| Miraie | Sep 6 2015, 04:31 AM Post #14 |
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What I want to promote here is cooperation. It is quite impossible for us to keep track of everyone, whereas everyone should have a fair chance of keeping track of the public EM listing and the active staff. I am not suggesting that you send every EM PMs saying 'events please'. That would not be terribly productive (and it would, indeed, be begging). Rather, I would like you to have a concrete idea about the kind of event you would like to play and whom it would affect. If an EM is responsible for carrying the event through and working on the fine details, you (as the player) are responsible for initiating the event and participating in it in a way that makes the experience fun for everyone involved. While both DMs and EMs work on their own event ideas, which can be at times spontaneous, I would not suggest relying on that as a source of fun. In persistent worlds, fun is made in interaction with your fellow players. Event Masters are a good resource for making the world come alive, however. You do not have to imagine or do everything yourself. Similarly, it is fine to have some small scale events (focusing on 2-4 players). Those experiences are usually the most focused, structured and the most resembling of an actual pen and paper session. You do not need to engage an entire server with your event idea, but you need to sell it to the EM (this is fun, this is worth your time) and hopefully yourself (for the same reasons). |
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| Niryain | Sep 6 2015, 04:42 AM Post #15 |
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Anarch at Heart
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And the factions that can't actively recruit? The Dustmen, Bleakers, (Maybe) Indeps of the world? They're to wallow until enough people simultaneously decide to be a part of that faction so as to demand attention? Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way and the Factional setup and philosophies of about two thirds of them are entirely unsuitable/unsustainable in a persistent world RP environment whose primary means of world interaction is 'kill things for profit' and maybe I'm venting on whatever else I can find tangentially related to that. I don't know. That doesn't discount the rest of my grievances at any rate. |
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Level 30 Forum Warrior Also I sometimes play on the server I guess. “I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” | |
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