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I'm Out; For now at least
Topic Started: Sep 5 2015, 05:43 PM (1,340 Views)
MimiFearthegn
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Niryain,Sep 6 2015
04:42 AM
And the factions that can't actively recruit? The Dustmen, Bleakers, (Maybe) Indeps of the world? They're to wallow until enough people simultaneously decide to be a part of that faction so as to demand attention?

Not at all. Just because a faction doesn't promote recruitment runs doesn't mean they don't talk about what they believe and do interesting things. Involving other people in your PC's projects can be a sneaky way to "recruit" them.

And yes, your point about us trying to be three different things is entirely true. We're trying to work on making it more RP and Faction friendly, but it takes a long time to paint over the action-focused-ness that's stamped all over the server.

Maybe there will be cool Signer things waiting for you if you come back.
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What it really comes down to is that people have to WANT to play a faction for it to succeed. And yes, obviously people are going to gravitate to the factions that are "easier" to play, where you can just play your character in whatever concept you like and simply say "woohoo, I'm in a faction!" (i.e., the ones that feel more like guilds and less like philosophical outlooks).

Now I'm the first to admit, factions aren't for everybody. The only character I had who joined a faction did so organically as a result of RP; she wasn't built to be the member of any faction, but certain things that happenned to her led to her joining the Sensates (at a time when there were none, this was in 2011).

But on the other hand, there's no rule saying that you have to utterly devote your being to that faction. Sure, the Dustmen aren't going to have members who are happy-go-lucky NG priests of the god of light and love, but not everybody needs to be a lich either. One of the best actual instances I've seen of someone playing a member of a faction was Amir, a Bleaker who was amazingly bleak, acerbic, and nihilistic... oh, also somehow managed to have dozens of friends despite it, even though at the time he was the only person playing a member of the Bleak Cabal.

And some of that is going to come from being OOC social. The majority of players here play at least one and in some cases dozens of alts, and a lot of those alts came about because someone else said "hey, we should play together as members of an orc clan".... if that can work (and it did for a while), the same thing could be done with the Athar, the Transcendent Order, or other less "popular" factions. And then suddenly not only do you have someone or someones to interact with on faction issues, but you've also got a group that can expect DM attention instead of having to "beg" for it.
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Ceremorph,Sep 6 2015
04:55 AM
And then suddenly not only do you have someone or someones to interact with on faction issues, but you've also got a group that can expect DM attention instead of having to "beg" for it.

That's also a two sided sword. You can't expect people to become/stay devoted to an idea or concept if no one's going to pay attention to it; we even had multiple Fated and Ciphers at one point, but roughly all the events were still hogged by the Triad, as per usual :P

But then again, EM/DM is volunteer work, so you can't expect people to pay attention to a faction that probably they themselves don't fully comprehend... just feels a tad bad when you're not part of the Triad and all you see is them saving the world day by day, whilst you are looking for a philosophical (or physical?) Source or are trying to make people realize that your choice of playing a Fated wasn't a stupid one.
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What's stupid about being a Fated! You can tax people. Metaphorically. Because no gold actually changes hands. God forbid the successful merchants register/pay taxes/whatever. Literally the entire function of the faction in the city reduced to an RP quirk that people are free to ignore because the Harmonium are also toothless!

But yes I'm inclined to agree. It seems easier to formulate general events about 'bad people are doing bad things' instead of 'let us advance a vague philosophic ideal that applies to only us and is kind of hard to fathom'. Which would lead to Law getting a lot of proportional action. Most server plotlines involve Bad Things happening. Bad Things are generally destabilizing. Law is an active, militaristic (Or legalistic if we look at Guvner but they're proportionally the least represented of Law I think) triad. Thus their nose will invariably stick in and they'll hit things with law sticks. So it goes.

High rank Signers? They sit in think tanks and think. All day. Think events into creation. Exciting stuff for PW RP, that. Gather enough and they could god mod all day! The end goal of a good Signer is to.. Not have to.. Do anything. Ever.

And I wonder why I played the only one.
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Wait, Fated dont actually take gold for taxes? Lol. :blink:

You have merchants who are millionaires, take gold from them. :lol:
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millions of gold to hire an army of Guvner lawyers!! tax me and you will lose!!
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Nerull,Sep 6 2015
09:05 AM
Wait, Fated dont actually take gold for taxes? Lol. :blink:

You have merchants who are millionaires, take gold from them. :lol:

They made a thread about Takers being evil for taxing 100 gold. Take a guess how well it will go :P
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Awakened, from the dark, dark slumber!"
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Tomekk,Sep 6 2015
03:15 AM
Nerull,Sep 6 2015
09:05 AM
Wait, Fated dont actually take gold for taxes? Lol.  :blink:

You have merchants who are millionaires, take gold from them.  :lol:

They made a thread about Takers being evil for taxing 100 gold. Take a guess how well it will go :P

Carebears :P
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Niryain,Sep 6 2015
04:42 AM
And the factions that can't actively recruit? The Dustmen, Bleakers, (Maybe) Indeps of the world? They're to wallow until enough people simultaneously decide to be a part of that faction so as to demand attention?

Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way and the Factional setup and philosophies of about two thirds of them are entirely unsuitable/unsustainable in a persistent world RP environment whose primary means of world interaction is 'kill things for profit' and maybe I'm venting on whatever else I can find tangentially related to that. I don't know. That doesn't discount the rest of my grievances at any rate.

As for THAT aspect what can you do? You're right. A dustman isn't fun to most people. So they don't play them.

A Xaositect is fun for a week then you want to play something more serious. So most Xaos are alts that get played for a bit then shelved for a while.

There's nothing you can do about that, people play what they find fun.

I found the other side of the argument (Harmonium being toothless, people doing what they want with no consequence) much more valid.
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Funny enough, I actually tried very aggressively (For an Indep) recruit into the Indeps with Deidra back when I first made her, and never got a hook, even with characters who already exemplary Indeps in everything but name.

And I'm not sure what people mean about Sensate being the most popular faction is a new thing, because I've been on and off the server for over two years now and every time there where Sensates. Sure, not always as outwardly showing as Trissa and co, but if you asked around what faction people where in? I always found a reasonable number of Sensates. Not that this is a surprise, since it's an easy faction for light, happy-fun-times characters. Nyriane is right in a way, you see a lot of Sensates, but despite this I haven't ever had any of the dozens I've crossed actually explain their philosophy to any of my PCs. Their philosophical baggage is easy to ignore, not so much so for many other factions.

I think that's just something we have to work with though. It's unfortunate, by I for one prefer it to the alternative, which is Sigil becoming just like any other RP server. I actually like the "unfocused identity" of being somewhere between a social/action/RP server. For me it's what makes Sigil so unique, just as much as it's setting. It's the reason I keep coming back here. When I'm tired of drama, tired of the RP police, tired of having to grind for days just to get to level 10 and knowing I'll never, ever be as strong as the old guard, I come back here, knowing I can make a cool new exciting PC in the morning, run around the planes smacking monsters in the face for cool loot and reaching level 10 before lunch time, hang in the bazaar and have some enjoyable RP in the evening and retire to the inn for either some more light-hearted RP or sexy fun times after dinner.



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High rank Signers? They sit in think tanks and think. All day. Think events into creation. Exciting stuff for PW RP, that. Gather enough and they could god mod all day! The end goal of a good Signer is to.. Not have to.. Do anything. Ever.


So you're saying that we actually have tons of Signers, only thing is they log in using the DM client? :P
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Wasn't it your character I RPed with yesterday? Lira La Croy?

Mauric had a request coming for her as a factioneer. Don't think you should quit. Not for those reasons that were stated. Just saying. Everyone get frustrated at times.

Ain't the best EM but I am trying to do some faction focused event series for the lesser popular factions. The Athar is next. Could do a longer Signers series after that if you'd like.
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Nerull,Sep 6 2015
11:44 AM
Tomekk,Sep 6 2015
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Nerull,Sep 6 2015
09:05 AM
Wait, Fated dont actually take gold for taxes? Lol.  :blink:

You have merchants who are millionaires, take gold from them.  :lol:

They made a thread about Takers being evil for taxing 100 gold. Take a guess how well it will go :P

Carebears :P

Carebears yes. Sigil is supposed to be a very dangerous city for the clueless, but honestly the cage looks more like a nice donut, you can play whatever you want without having even a faint chance to be disturbed or bullied by anything or face any consequences and that's quite immersion breaking at times.
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Hydra,Sep 7 2015
12:37 AM
Nerull,Sep 6 2015
11:44 AM
Tomekk,Sep 6 2015
03:15 AM
Nerull,Sep 6 2015
09:05 AM
Wait, Fated dont actually take gold for taxes? Lol.  :blink:

You have merchants who are millionaires, take gold from them.  :lol:

They made a thread about Takers being evil for taxing 100 gold. Take a guess how well it will go :P

Carebears :P

Carebears yes. Sigil is supposed to be a very dangerous city for the clueless, but honestly the cage looks more like a nice donut, you can play whatever you want without having even a faint chance to be disturbed or bullied by anything or face any consequences and that's quite immersion breaking at times.

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but I think "bullying" players for their choice of character isn't a direction we really want to go in.
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You'd get "bullied" on a Faerun server if you showed up as a Red Wizard with slaves in Neverwinter, or as a priest of Tyr in Luskan...

Its not bullying, its simple consequences that help make a setting feel real with palpable conflicts and differences... but admittedly, its hard to implement such in a sparsely populated city. :-/
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And in terror they run and hide,
From the shadows of old we rise,
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Over the ancient ruins we fly,
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And the new kingdoms rising high,
Awakened, from the dark, dark slumber!"
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