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Topic Started: Sep 6 2015, 09:13 PM (581 Views)
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Apologies for the double post, but after a quick 5 min search, the only thing I could find on the Flee the Scene to Dimension Door discussion was two topics. Posts from people I'm assuming are in charge of this seem to be as follows:

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Tomekk - March 24, 2015 05:08 PM (GMT)
Making Flee the Scene a bit better can be easily considered after our current projects are finished... but no, you will never get Dimensional Door as a spammable ability, its already cheesy enough to see roughly every wizard use it to go from stall to stall.


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Agony_Aunt - September 5, 2014 02:56 AM (GMT)
We won't go changing an existing spell that is used by 99% of Warlocks to something different. Adding a dimension door type spell as a separate invocation could be possible, but to be honest, i wish we had never included Dim Door in the first place... such an annoying ability.

Still if a builder was willing to add it, i can't argue strongly against it.


The only reasons given appear to be "just cuz I don't like that ability". If your devs/whateveryoucallthemhere don't like it, I'm not sure why the spell was made for the server in the first place.

I agree Flee the Scene's current iteration should still exist (after all, why take options away from people?), but I don't really see any compelling evidence for why this dead horse is something that should not be implemented. Heck, Agony_Aunt seemingly admits to this.
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Miraie! You ninja!

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I think a non-shifter druid could indeed be an interesting experiment here. Not one I've been eager to try, but definitely something I am curious about.


Probably what I'll make then. With full Ammon Jerro appearance.

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Both Niflheim and Carceri (which are sort of the endgame areas) feature a lot of mobs that are immune to mind-affecting effects and critical hits. Among other things, like consistent 50% concealment.


It seems Necromancers and Enchanters get screwed on every server. Not to mention Barbarians.

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The Painbringer is ridiculous in comparison to anything in OC, but not as ridiculous as the big red dragon - neither of which is truly insurmountable, though!


Yea, beating a level 32? dragon as a level 20 isn't easy, but it's doable, so I thought the comparison might be suitable.
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It seems Necromancers and Enchanters get screwed on every server.


Control Undead doesn't count as a mind affecting spell, it's necromancy and lasts for real life hours. The niflheim ghosts have terrible will saves too, as do most undead who think their mind immunity replaces the need for it.
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The Painbringer and the red dragon both have so many attacks the game fails to register them. Among other things : p They're silly. And have silly resistances and other things. It is possible to trick the Painbringer into a spellcasting loop by disabling its Greater Invisibility with Invisibility Purge, however. Also, you'd want to be around 69 AC to be mostly immune to crits. 65 AC should be good for Carceri. Being able to UMD will be critical. If you don't need CHA (probably not, as a druid) getting Living Undeath could be sensible.

And, alas! Blind is one of the few things mobs in those areas are vulnerable to. And healing in Niflheim, of course. Almost everything has some form of DR and elemental resistances, also.

As for Dimension Door for warlocks, I am actually in support of the idea. But I cannot script it myself so there's a bit of a problem there : p Shadowdancers already get to jump as much as they want *nodnod* Furthermore, Warlocks could use a bunch of other fixes (esp. blasts counting as spells of higher level, slight DC buffs and/or extending the duration of warlock CC to 2 rounds). Things! Several of them.

Edit: The undead in Niflheim also have reasonably bad fort saves. Which is nifty when you can make use of it (blinds). Undeath to Death remains a stellar mage thing to do while at Niflheim. Alas, not so good in Carceri. Because the concealed spirit things are in fact spirits and not undead.
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Control Undead doesn't count as a mind affecting spell, it's necromancy and lasts for real life hours. The niflheim ghosts have terrible will saves too, as do most undead who think their mind immunity replaces the need for it.


Oh I was more referring to the fear effects they have access to. Also the rampant Death Magic/Ability Drain/etc immunities on creatures and items.

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The Painbringer and the red dragon both have so many attacks the game fails to register them. Among other things : p They're silly. And have silly resistances and other things. It is possible to trick the Painbringer into a spellcasting loop by disabling its Greater Invisibility with Invisibility Purge, however. Also, you'd want to be around 69 AC to be mostly immune for crits. 65 AC should be good for Carceri. Being able to UMD will be critical. If you don't need CHA (probably not, as a druid) getting Living Undeath could be sensible.


Ha, well if my solo Painbringer build (I don't even know what this BBEG can do yet) must be Druid (cuz I said I'd make one earlier) then I could easily draft something with > 70 AC, crit immunity, and a few other tricks. Probably only 16 UMD though...

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And, alas! Blind is one of the few things mobs in those areas are vulnerable to. And healing in Niflheim, of course. Almost everything has some form of DR and elemental resistances, also.


Yea, blind is just great in general.

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As for Dimension Door for warlocks, I am actually in support of the idea. But I cannot script it myself so there's a bit of a problem there : p Shadowdancers already get to jump as much as they want *nodnod* Furthermore, Warlocks could use a bunch of other fixes (esp. blasts counting as spells of higher level, slight DC buffs and/or extending the duration of warlock CC to 2 rounds). Things! Several of them.


Warlocks got it pretty bad all around. So many bugs and poorly implemented features =/ (that poor server devs have to deal with). And although I'm not a huge fan of the class (it really does get boring), they certainly need help in more than one area. A popular Lock boost/fix in PnP campaigns with mostly Tier 3+ characters was to allow them to take a new Invocation at every Warlock level up to 20.

Although... I do enjoy playing Monks... so that Shadowdancer info makes me want to build one with Shadowfu.
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If you can get your hands on a scroll or two of control undead, a level 6 necro can invis into niflheim and get a level 28 spirit warrior as a henchmen for the rest of the day to rip up the leveling zones. It's worth dying a few times for sure.
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How does this "Painbringer" compare for level 30s (relatively speaking) to an enemy like Thopylax (or whatever that Red Dragon's name is) in the OC for level 20s. Because I have made builds for solo campaign runs that were able to 1v1 him (not that it's a crazy accomplishment or anything), a solo Painbringer build might be another interesting challenge.


It's a good challenge to be sure! "Can solo the Painbringer" is pretty much the metric for "really good" builds.
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I dunno where to ask :confused: , can i get eldritch master feat, if i have 10 warlock/10 something(like pm, or fellblade)?
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I don't think you do. IIRC you need 16 warlock levels for Eldritch Master
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Mick64,Sep 9 2015
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I don't think you do. IIRC you need 16 warlock levels for Eldritch Master

Confirmed and 100% true. You need 16 pure warlock levels. PrCs don't count.
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