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Sesshoya And Another Melee Build...
Topic Started: Apr 17 2016, 05:28 PM (451 Views)
Taihou
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Planning on good build for my Yuan-ti half-blood Sesshoya...

I think it should look as Fighter + Weapon Master (Maybe Kensai would be better, as it saves a few feats) + Cleric.

Planning on making him Falchion dual-wield WM with EDM.

However, I think, if I could somehow grind out DEX for Perfect Two weapon fighting, which is problematic via normal means, because at start I can get him 20 STR, 20 CHA and 20 DEX, thus I would need 7 stat points to get him 21 STR, 21 CHA and 25 DEX, which he normally would not achieve, because given he is ECL +6, he has only 24 lvls and thus 6 stat points.

Any advices, how to make this possible?
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Ikazuchi (𩇓) // "Although blue dye comes from Indigo plant, it is bluer than Indigo" - Ancient Chinese philosopher Xun Kuang (Xunzi), "Instructions for learning"
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Iggwilv
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What about a Ranger/Blackguard or a Ranger/Paladin if you don't want to be evil. You loose Weapon Master goodies but you do get EDM perfect to weapon fighting and bane of enemies. If you want to be really cheesy you can probably squeeze in HIPs
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You don't really need Perfect Two Weapon fighting. With +6 ELC, your BAB won't be as high, so you won't be losing as many attacks by having only 3 attacks from your off-hand. And with all the DEX (or inferior classes, if you go ranger or samurai) you're taking just for that.... better put the points into STR so you have slightly fewer attacks, but the ones you have hit (and for more damage).

I'll second Paladin or Blackguard for your EDM needs.
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Iggwilv
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Mick64,Apr 17 2016
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You don't really need Perfect Two Weapon fighting. With +6 ELC

Yep.... Missed the words half blood in the post :P
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Considering the racial ability bonuses, you might be better served going with something along the lines of Fighter 9/Blackguard 3/Weapon Master 7/Frezerker 5, and go with scimitar or falchion (I prefer scim, because then you can keep a shield ready and get an additional AC bonus when you need it). You'll still be relatively feat-poor, but instead of PTWF you can go two-handed, have full BAB (at least as full as you can for that high LA), and still get your EDM on, and the damage you'll do even without it will be substantial.

Also, the falchion dual-wield is kinda dumb because you have to waste a feat on monkey grip and still wind up taking a BAB hit. You'll have a lot of damage potential, but the tougher opponents you'll struggle to hit with that build unless you load up on UMD and wand yourself to death before every fight.

As far as I can tell, the build you're looking for is going to be almost impossible to make with that high LA of a race. Might want to revisit after the YTHB gets worked over with a racial PrC and lower LA.
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Considering the racial ability bonuses, you might be better served going with something along the lines of Fighter 9/Blackguard 3/Weapon Master 7/Frezerker 5, and go with scimitar or falchion (I prefer scim, because then you can keep a shield ready and get an additional AC bonus when you need it). You'll still be relatively feat-poor, but instead of PTWF you can go two-handed, have full BAB (at least as full as you can for that high LA), and still get your EDM on, and the damage you'll do even without it will be substantial.

Also, the falchion dual-wield is kinda dumb because you have to waste a feat on monkey grip and still wind up taking a BAB hit. You'll have a lot of damage potential, but the tougher opponents you'll struggle to hit with that build unless you load up on UMD and wand yourself to death before every fight.

As far as I can tell, the build you're looking for is going to be almost impossible to make with that high LA of a race. Might want to revisit after the YTHB gets worked over with a racial PrC and lower LA.

I fear, that after rework of YTHB in the manner other races were, it may loose it"s old benefits, that I am aware now, thus I would prefer to build him definitely before rework, because for now I know almost exactly what path to go. Perhaps should throw away Perfect 2W fighting after all.
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PTWF is a fairly heavy investment as far as feats go, HOWEVER, I could see something akin to 21 ranger 2 cleric 1 fighter, just pump strength and cha, go for EDM and divine shield, halfblood stats make sure that you can max out your strength and cha and still have good stats everywhere else. Unfortunately, the really big bonus of having PTWF isn't realized with only 23 BAB, but it would still be decent, with BoE and favored enemy damage.

Also, Yuan-ti halfblood are large, so they wouldn't get a... Massive penalty for using falchions, but really you just want to go with scimitar, 2 more AB.
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Rieitdd
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I have to also support scimitars . . . . the loss of damage is negligible compared to 1 extra feat and -2 AB.

Aside from that, why not a divine caster? that way you can heal and buff to be as effective as a caster(near unlimited healz with FS or perma haste with cleric, which is 1 extra attack) you can also dump dex and go full STR with a full plate this way . . . which nets you a fairly decent AB.

if you want to cheese tho, maybe a cleric/stormlord/Wm would be nice (even if feat heavy)
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I might do another YTHB character for caster, or something like caster + monk + sacred fist.

But Sesshoya must remain as my initial concept is - dual-wielder.
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Ikazuchi (𩇓) // "Although blue dye comes from Indigo plant, it is bluer than Indigo" - Ancient Chinese philosopher Xun Kuang (Xunzi), "Instructions for learning"
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Rieitdd
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ranger 21/anything 5 is your best bet then (cleric for EDM and maybe celestial envoy if you go long/bastard swords maybe, or if youre going for EDM anyway, maybe also add some Blackguard for extra saves? or FB for some niceness )
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Yuan-ti halfblood is currently +6 LA, so it would have to be Ranger 21 + 3 anything. Probably best choice for that would be cleric 1 (free feats, turn undead, use cleric wands and scrolls without UMD) and then some martial PrC that gives something worthwhile in the first 2 levels, or else straight blackguard 3 or paladin 3 if you want to keep that extra point of BAB.
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Rieitdd
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True!

my bad. . . in that case, cleric 1 blackguard 2 would be ideal

2 domain benefits + CHA to saves.
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If you can drop that ptwf, then why not something like Kensai 8, Samurai 11, Bg 3, Fi 2.

Then pump that charisma. And pretty much only charisma. Iaijutsu ensures that you can hit. Kensai gives crazy ac and saves. Blackguard gives crazy saves and divine might. And with fighter taken in epic levels you can get edm as well as etoughness and eresilience.

You're limited to lawful evil though. Or you could take Paladin 4 and Fighter 1 instead.

Edit: And you might get ICE for when things get tough; you'll have CE already.
Sure, you don't get full 2w progression but imho so much more instead...
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Huelander
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Just tested it. Can't instill yourself.

I'd totally take the class if you could.
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Taihou
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Had been some time since, had found that out myself too. Now thinking, what would be the best way to abuse Krampus, to retain overall concept of Sesshoya as falchion-dual wielding EDM char, but give him more AC. With his current build he has 40, which is rather depressing.
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Ikazuchi (𩇓) // "Although blue dye comes from Indigo plant, it is bluer than Indigo" - Ancient Chinese philosopher Xun Kuang (Xunzi), "Instructions for learning"
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