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Topic Started: Aug 2 2016, 10:48 AM (4,529 Views)
EM Berk
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Question guys!

Does Sacred Fist bonuses apply to Creature Weapons or not?

Was wondering for Rieitdd's FS build.
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fearknight2003's Gish wazard with enchanting

Race: Human
Alignment: Any
Deity: Any
Background: Whatever, recommend Veteran for Fortitude saves

Starting Base Attributes:

STR - 9
DEX - 15
CON - 13
WIS - 9
INT - 18
CHA - 9

End Base Attributes:

STR - 9
DEX - 15/23
CON - 13
WIS - 9
INT - 19/27
CHA - 9

Levels:

1 - Swashbuckler (Able Learner, Luck of Heroes)
2 - "
3 - " (Blind Fight)
4 - Wizard (+1 DEX or INT, Any School, Beetle)
5 - "
6 - " (Combat Expertise)
7 - "
8 - " (+1 DEX or INT, Extend Spell)
9 - Eldritch Knight (Eldritch Knight Spellcasting Wizard, Dodge)
10 - "
11 - "
12 - " (+1 DEX or INT, Mobility)
13 - "
14 - "
15 - " (Improved Combat Expertise)
16 - " (+1 DEX or INT)
17 - "
18 - " (Practiced Spellcaster Wizard)
19 - Wizard
20 - " (+1 DEX or INT)
21 - " (Epic Prowess)
22 - "
23 - " (Craft Magic Arms and Armour, Combat Insight)
24 - Duelist (+1 DEX or INT)
25 - " (Persistent Spell)
26 - "
27 - " (Great Dexterity or Intelligence)
28 - "
29 - " (Great Dexterity or Intelligence, pick the same as level 27s)
30 - "

Skills:

Tumble 30 (max as much as possible)
UMD 13 (max as much as possible)
Spellcraft 4 (3 at level 4, 1 at level 5)
Parry 5 (max as soon as possible)
Concentration 33 (max as soon as possible)

Then whatever you like, should have skill points to spare especially if you go down the INT route.

So there's two ways to this build. Depending whether you want INT or DEX.

DEX route = Higher AC and reflex saves

INT route = Higher damage, more spell slots and skill points

Take whichever you like, you only NEED 13 DEX and 19 INT for the build, after that you could put your stat points where ever you like. But this is not the place for that! Here we min max!

Either way, you can buff and blitz around the server with ease, just keep up Greater Invisibility and Mirror Image and you'll be practically impossible to hit, even without Improved Combat Expertise on. Any spare spell slots just get the usual Bigby 6's, IGMS, Ray of Enfeeblement etc. etc. Overall it gets 25 BAB, 9th circle spells, extend and persist. You could swap the last 2 greater ability boosts for epic spells if you preferred. It should have no difficulties with the servers areas.
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And with that I'm out for tonight. My internet is playing up and causing posts not to be saved... Already done two builds over twice due to them not saving >_>

I'll get to the others tomorrow. Sorry to those I won't be doing now :(
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SO was relay curious What could be done with a BlackGuard/DeathKnight Full class taken in both Any Race, Don't care what is done with the other 7 Levels Just want it fitting that deathknight theme, Pour on the cheese if you like this time
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*rubs hands together* Did someone say EDM? (Seriously, I dislike how powerful it is, but may as well...)
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Yeah Only willing to take it because I'm Taking all 10 Levels in BG lol
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Thinking about a beholder. I'm not concerned with being extremely powerful, but I like to be at least reasonably effective. I don't have a clear picture for classes yet, but things I'd like to emphasize are spellcasting and their eye beams being useful the whole way through. So anything that I can feel good putting charisma into.

Is Sorc/Cleric/Theurge viable at +5 ECL? Can you use warlock with theurge? How would pure warlock (all laser beams all the time) work out?
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Tingly,Sep 6 2016
06:50 PM
Is Sorc/Cleric/Theurge viable at +5 ECL?

Doable? Yes. Viable? You'll miss out a lot of spells.

Tingly,Sep 6 2016
06:50 PM
Can you use warlock with theurge?

Yes.

Tingly,Sep 6 2016
06:50 PM
How would pure warlock (all laser beams all the time) work out?

Well, you'd get all invocation slots (3 in each, for 12 total). But you'd have weaker blasts, because you'd max out at ECL25.

Fact is, race past ECL +3 are not the best casters. The staff are still doing a rework of some races.
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@TheShadowWithen

When my interwebs sorts itself out, I'll get on the Blackguard/Deathknight. Dip cleric + 6 fighter seems most appropriate, but I might fiddle around with some other class combos.

@Tingly

I've heard Beholder eye rays scale with character level, not specifically class. So they're quite good all the way to end game (at least the wounding ray, I think it was). Considering that then, with a charisma based caster, you're probably best off sticking with Sorc or Warlock. Pure warlock Beholder layzors is a thing that's been done before, and pure blaster warlocks are never bad. Usually not optimum, and by no means stupidly overpowered, but unlimited 20d6+ (easily) AoE flat magic damage attacks is always good. They're probably the best PvE class without a doubt. But if you were to just nab Warlock/Hellfire/maybe a dip of bard for skills if you fancied, or cleric for feats. You can't go wrong.

I will get round to doing that build for you properly though, once my internet stabilises. :P
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EM Berk,Sep 7 2016
04:51 AM
@TheShadowWithen

When my interwebs sorts itself out, I'll get on the Blackguard/Deathknight. Dip cleric + 6 fighter seems most appropriate, but I might fiddle around with some other class combos.

Why dip cleric? BG10 (which is what he requested) more than qualifies for EDM. Fighter makes sense though.
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Tingly,Sep 6 2016
11:50 PM

Is Sorc/Cleric/Theurge viable at +5 ECL?

Go below +2 ECL and go

FS/Sorc/Theurge/SD
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FS/Sorc/Theurge/Cleric(1lvl)

and u got a powerhouse with lots of fun spells. Even though you can get dispelled quite easily. But al builds have weaknesses...This one is quite fun however to play :P
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rapsam2003,Sep 7 2016
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EM Berk,Sep 7 2016
04:51 AM
@TheShadowWithen

When my interwebs sorts itself out, I'll get on the Blackguard/Deathknight. Dip cleric + 6 fighter seems most appropriate, but I might fiddle around with some other class combos.

Why dip cleric? BG10 (which is what he requested) more than qualifies for EDM. Fighter makes sense though.

the 1 dip cleric isnt for edm in this case. (unless your trying qualify for feats early for w/e reason). Its for the domains since the other classes dont grant evasion and the other popular choice be darkness for free blind fight. or luck heros for bonus 1st level feat.
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Personally I would go 2 Rogue and grab Able Learner, providing a bunch of extra skill points, skill access, evasion, 1d6 extra sneak damage (which you can apply if someone else is getting focused) and the ability to disarm high level traps. Also the RP potential for starting as a rogue is pretty good, makes a good background story, plus you don't look like such a prick when people see what classes you've taken :P
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Lucadia,Sep 8 2016
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the 1 dip cleric isnt for edm in this case. (unless your trying qualify for feats early for w/e reason). Its for the domains since the other classes dont grant evasion and the other popular choice be darkness for free blind fight. or luck heros for bonus 1st level feat.

Yeah, I understand that. But you'd get more offensive power out of a fighter dip...

Or what Whitefly suggested...

Whitefly,Sep 8 2016
10:17 AM
Personally I would go 2 Rogue and grab Able Learner, providing a bunch of extra skill points, skill access, evasion, 1d6 extra sneak damage (which you can apply if someone else is getting focused) and the ability to disarm high level traps. Also the RP potential for starting as a rogue is pretty good, makes a good background story, plus you don't look like such a prick when people see what classes you've taken :P

Honestly, this would likely give more offensive potential than a 1 level cleric dip. 4d6 Sneak (after BG 10). This does give more of potential for a great bio, imho.


Plus, it's not as cheesy. A Blackguard/Death Knight with the Water Domain? Yeah, totally silly and doesn't fit the evil undead knight concept at all. Darkness? Yeah, it fits, but it's also super cheesy.
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For a beholder, I would not recommend warlock. Warlock wants you to throw your eldritch blast every round. If you're using an eye beam, you're not using an eldritch blast. If you're using an eldritch blast, you're not using your eyes.

What you want is a class that does a lot of things passivly. A class that will stilll be useful when you're spending round after round looking at things funny. A class like....

Bard.

Bard 21 / Blackguard 3 / Something 1 (Cleric for feats, Warlock for saves. Something else?)

Bard 21 gives you Song of Requiem, tons of buffs that DON'T require you to spend every round active and CHA scaling. Blackguard 3 gives you Divine Shield for big AC, CHA to saves and Aura of Despair for an effective +2 DC when in melee. Your combat goes something like "Eye beam, Curse Song, Eye Beam, Legionaire's March, Eye Beam Eye Beam oh fighter's in trouble Song of Heroism and back to Eye Beam"
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