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Op Gish Casters?
Topic Started: Oct 6 2016, 08:14 PM (517 Views)
Pellease
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Every time I roll up a melee character from a high ECL someone says their BAB is going to be too low. But then there's posts about how OP some gish builds are such as Psion. But psions have the lowest bab and only +2 to AB from one ability.

Is there a secret ace up a sleeve I know nothing about?
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Take cleric, take divine power, win.
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Tenser Transformation is pretty neat. But you also can't cast spells while it is on. The thing is, you don't need enormous AB or BAB on a gish build, 40s AB is okay enough considering that you'll also have good casting capabilities and spell protections.
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Strawberry Jam
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Sometimes people just say things, that's life.

Clerics make a good choice as already said.
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Psions don't make particularly good gishes. But they also don't need to be gishes to be amazing. If someone is talking about a Psion Gish, they likely mean a Cerebremancer using a wizard's Tenser's Transformation.

Most effective gishes have classes giving them high BAB, paired with being defensive powerhouses through buffs and having no-save spells to cover their gaps. But when it comes down to it, even if built ineffectively, enemies on Sigil have low AC, and you can generally get away with a subpar AB but high defense.
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Ok cool maybe me mini Umberhaulk can work then. How does one get 40 AB with a cerebromancer?
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Pellease,Oct 6 2016
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How does one get 40 AB with a cerebromancer?

If at all, they do so through the wizard half's Tenser's Transformation. You hulk out but can't cast spells for a while.

You could ask Lucadia for more advice on that front. I'm only really familiar, as far as Psions go, with how Psions perform as full psychic casters.
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There are only a few powers to boost attack bonus. You're better off using cleric, especially combining damage shields with healing and regenerate.

Crystal dragon is the only psion class with improved attack bonus and hit points.
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But you can't theurge with cleric. . . right
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No, I think there's a web enhancement with a divine/psionic theurge in a web enhancement but otherwise no.

Psychic warrior power list has better gish options in pen and paper, and also powers and feats that haven't been made for Sigil yet.

So psion would be your secondary class leaving you with about 20 levels. If you take cerebremancer you only have 10 levels left and only 1 extra class. You would only want a few specific unique things without a huge investment, like the damage shields and low/mid level buffs.
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Lucadia
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Not even optimized.

there be more ac with better dex and the precog defensive + armor skin so thats 61 without bumping dex.

Attack bonus be higher with either being a dexer or str person + precog offensive.

Course this only going be like that with tensers up.

attack bonus was at 32 prior. Different millages will vary with stat set up.
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Thank you, Luca. <3
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Wow, kk and Bab could have been even higher with Eldritch Knight. . . Ugh, my problems is always wanting an ECl race. In this case an Umberhaulk. . .
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lower the ecl the better since both caster classes matter.
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