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| Topic Started: Dec 13 2016, 06:56 PM (246 Views) | |
| phantomhermit | Dec 13 2016, 06:56 PM Post #1 |
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Ranger levels for dual wield feats swashbuckler levels for finesse and insightful damage were tiger sacred avenger ((good assassin class. i forget name)) Does insightful damage apply to light creature weapons in hybrid form? |
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| Mick64 | Dec 13 2016, 08:39 PM Post #2 |
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Insightful Strike does not apply to creature weapons. Ranger is usually good for two things : 21 ranger levels for Bane of Enemies, or getting twf or archery feats that you normally wouldn't be able to qualify for. Since it seems you are doing neither of these, you're probably better off picking Fighter and using your bonus feats to pick up those TWF feats. |
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| Gazoo | Dec 13 2016, 09:47 PM Post #3 |
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A few things to consider for your variation of RP: Ranger does give a lot of skill points, if that matters for your RP and it gives tracking and toughness (which opens up steadfast). Both toughness and tracking can be taken as extra normal feats, though. Also keep in mind that if you are going for full Ptwf, it can be useful to aim for 26 bab for the full benefit, which means 6apr on each hand. However SoD (if that's what you mean by sacred avenger) is medium bab progression. So in the case of 9-10 SoD, you can't make 26BAB, which may make only going to improved twf enough (-2/-7 or -2/-4 with multiattack), or even just plain twf. Usually any hits after -4/-7 penalty are just on 20. It's something to consider if feats are tight - as it takes 2-3 more feats(one epic with big dex) for the 3 extra chances at 20. |
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| phantomhermit | Dec 14 2016, 12:26 PM Post #4 |
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Thanks much for the feedback and input. I appreciate it.
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| rapsam2003 | Dec 14 2016, 06:07 PM Post #5 |
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I think you're trying to do too much at once. Ranger is a class that rewards you for either dedication to Ranger or Synergy. For example, Ranger/Rogue has synergy if you go with a Sneaky Ranger OR Ranger/Barbarian works well for Battle Ranger. If you go the PTWF route, then you want to pump that AB up, to get to a minimum of 26, like Gazoo said. That's basically your Battle Ranger route. Sneaky Ranger relies a lot on MS/Hide skills and SA, obviously - using Ranger spells to supplement things. Key spells for sneaky ranger, imho: - Camouflage (or Mass version), - Curse of Impending Blades (or Mass version), - & Freedom of Movement (niche situations). Normally, I'd add Barkskin, but Lycanthropes get +6 Natural Armor in Hybrid Form. If you went this route, I would get Slayer of Domiel 9* right after Weretiger (need 8 MS/ 8 Hide for SoD). Then, go ranger until Max level. You won't get full TWF progression, but you shouldn't need it. I would grab Weapon Finesse, but don't bother with Swashbuckler. SW would make you MAB, whereas not having it means that Dexterity is your main stat, Wisdom and Strength are your secondaries. *Never, ever, ever take the 10th level of Assassin or Slayer of Domiel. It's useless! Minor note: do yourself a favor and don't take green or blue as your eye color for your character. Like Rakshasas, the eye color for Weretigers in Hybrid Form is simply another color on their coat. So, pick something that will actually look good in Hybrid Form, such as white or black or light brown, etc. |
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| Love_on_a_Wire | Dec 15 2016, 01:36 PM Post #6 |
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The 10th level of Slayer of Domiel gives you Improved Evasion, a somewhat useful feat by itself, which also can be used to qualify for Epic Dodge. : x |
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| rapsam2003 | Dec 15 2016, 04:56 PM Post #7 |
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The only reason to ever take it is for Epic Dodge. Improved Evasion is useless, unless you know there's a lot of traps. I'm not going to sacrifice an entire level for a marginally useful free feat. AND, quite frankly, Epic Dodge has some pretty steep requirements... http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Epic_Dodge
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| Dredi | Dec 15 2016, 06:27 PM Post #8 |
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It also gives +1 Death attack DC of course, but since you're basically only gonna proc this off 1 rolls anyway, thats rather pointless |
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| Love_on_a_Wire | Dec 15 2016, 06:29 PM Post #9 |
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Right. Okay. But you said "never ever". You take your 10th level of Slayer of Domiel if it means you can get Epic Dodge as a result. Because Epic Dodge is very good. This is a circumstance where taking that tenth level makes sense. I'm not saying you always take Slayer of Domiel to ten, I'm saying that I can imagine builds where you very deliberately do so for Epic Dodge. So "never ever" and "useless" are both silly pieces of advice. For Assasin though, sure. |
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| rapsam2003 | Dec 15 2016, 07:24 PM Post #10 |
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I really don't consider that bothering with edge case scenarios is good way to give to folks looking for advice on builds. I mean, Epid Dodge IS REALLY GOOD; but it's also inconvenient. Because you practically need to build for it. Which limits what your build can do, especially if you didn't go with rogue as your base class. Speaking of rogue... you can get Improved Evasion as a Rogue special ability, which frankly makes way more sense than taking Slayer of Domiel 10. If we're going with the idea of Ranger/Lycanthrope/Slayer of Domiel, then it doesn't really matter. Could OP build for Epic Dodge with those classes? Yes. Is it of benefit to do so? I'd say no. Epic dodge makes more sense for a pure rogue (and rogue-like PrC) build, imho. |
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| Love_on_a_Wire | Dec 15 2016, 07:52 PM Post #11 |
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Potentially qualifying for Epic Dodge while also snagging HiPS from the same package is not an edge case for the sort of build hermit was looking for. While it's not an option for the exact build he had in mind, Mick64 had also just pointed out the inefficiency of under 21 levels of Ranger, so I don't think it's silly to keep the suggestion open that hermit could seek alternative builds to achieve the same flavor he has in mind for his character. My goal in saying anything at all was to point out that the tenth level of Slayer has a use. : x |
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