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| Re: The New Ooc Room Rule; An Address to the Server and Staff | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 27 2017, 05:19 PM (2,926 Views) | |
| Whitefly | Feb 27 2017, 11:57 PM Post #46 |
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Honestly, I think this hard and fast rules stuff is for the most part a bit too much. I know there's a handful of players who are extremely helpful OOC room loiterers and they've assisted me in rebuilds, as well as helped new players become accustomed to the server. I would not want to see those people forced out when they're providing a good service. So here's my revised set of rules / guidelines for the OOC room. I think if we all try to follow these, things'll probably work out fine. They are: No casting spells and stuff in the OOC room. Players are encouraged not to loiter in large groups in the OOC room. It's fine if you want to sit with one or two others and help any players who need it. |
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| rapsam2003 | Feb 28 2017, 05:30 AM Post #47 |
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Why would your character know, without being told, that a shifter is really X person? |
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| Mick64 | Feb 28 2017, 05:52 AM Post #48 |
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I'm not going to repeat every point said already, the whole community-building aspect has been explained much better then I can do already, and is definitely a very important thing, even if you, personally don't form bonds with players this way. Other people do. Other then that... I don't think this is a good rule, because... 1. It will either not solve the problems it was made to solve, or there are better ways to solve those problems. The two reasons I've heard for this rule coming into place are... 1 - Excessive spells in the OOC room. This one is easy. You can disable spellcasting in the OOC room with a single line of code. This is done automatically, by the server. No DM time needed to enforce the rule. 2 - Shapeshifters wanting to hide. Now I personally think this is a non-issue, and that if shapeshifters cannot trust their fellow players not to metagame then maybe SCOD is not the place for them. But if it is and issue, then this rule will not solve it. People will still see shapeshifters log in, either after a crash, or being in the OOC room for a legitimate reason, etc. (Not to mention the countless other ways to detect a shapeshifter). And again, scripted solutions can do better then this rule can, without needing DM time to police or having side effects... 2. It will have negative side-effects for the server's health. On top the community-building being hurt mentioned above, I want to touch up on a very important point mentioned briefly by Mr.O. That is, players attract players. One of the few primordial things for a PW's health is to have players logged in. Anyone who's been on a dying server (And I'm sad to say I've been in a few) has seen it in it's most extreme form. Player count is at 0, therefor people don't log in (They don't want to play alone), therefor player count remains at 0. In a less extreme form, people are more likely to log into the server if they see a higher player count. Players in the OOC room count, therefor players in the OOC room are better then players not logged in at all. I also can't count how many times I've helped a player out in the OOC room, either with a rebuild, answering questions or offering advice, discussing character/plot ideas, greeting a new player and helping them get a handle on things...
Going to recap here, but as I mentioned to Ariella yesterday on Discord I can easily make two small script changes that will address the main issues that this rule (tries) to address without the negative side-effects. These are - No spellcasting in the OOC room. and On login, your character is invisible (Even to those that can see invisibility) for 15 seconds. |
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| Sinlinara | Feb 28 2017, 07:01 AM Post #49 |
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Would the Invisibility prevent people from seeing "So and So casts Alternate Form"? With regards to advertising the Discord in the OOC Room, I would suggest that we make changes to make it more official before we did any such thing. In particular, designating a member of the staff to run it and better structuring the roles of certain members and the powers that they possess. |
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| edmaster44 | Feb 28 2017, 07:08 AM Post #50 |
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DM invisibility, Nothing can see through it! |
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| Mick64 | Feb 28 2017, 08:06 AM Post #51 |
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Actually it's not "really" DM invisibility (Only DMs get that AFAIK), just invisibility that works even if you have True Seeing or such. But the text can be removed with some 2da fiddling. I'm pretty sure simply making the ability instant works. |
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| Sinlinara | Feb 28 2017, 08:08 AM Post #52 |
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I believe that giving invisibility will not suffice as a solution unless the text is also removed. But if it's that simple then it sounds pretty okay to me. |
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| Mcblight | Feb 28 2017, 02:04 PM Post #53 |
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I am pretty sure you do not see any text of general spells or spell like abilities if you are invisible and not seen by any means. This is also the case with "spotting" cast spells with spellcraft, that if they are invisible you wont be able to tell what spell they used. I dont have much to say to this discussion as I believe most of the things allready have been mentioned - but I can say that I believe Mick64s idea is an optimal solution for many of the problems that we are facing. Personally, I like to stay in the OOC room for a bit. This sometimes is just ten minutes, sometimes an hour or more. There is various reasons for me to do this, but I know atleast a few others that have a tendency to stay in the OOC room. This is not because of any bad intentions towards anyone, but more often than not is it a form for mental preparation - which makes me want to speak about art! In most perfomances, in this example acting, it is often encouraged of the actors to prepare mentally before going on the stage. How to prepare is often very different from person to person, but some examples that I have experienced varies all the way from being cheerful and almost have a party, to walk around in circles and say random things. Actors often slowly "switch" into their characters mindset while doing this, and some acts out the complete opposites of their characters - it all really comes down to what technique is the best for the artist. Everyone have their different ways to prepare themself, and simply throwing them onto the stage can be harmful for the general perfomance and the enjoyment as a whole. While we might not be a professional performer group, we are all still part of improvisational form of acting - roleplay. I can tell that this form for "preparation" is also a valid thing for roleplay, and I do sometimes use it myself in the "OOC room" (or similar) - and I have noticed others do it too (maybe without realizing it). It is the "from everyday life personality into character quirks etc" and while it is true that some people gets into character the best by jumping right into it, as true is it that some people dont. In short: The quality or amount of RP is not always decreased by people standing around in the OOC room, sometimes it means the quite opposite. Generally speaking, I think we all need to accept that "if someone have a problem, it is a problem" and dont try to push away anyone as not having it if we dont feel it being a problem for ourself. This goes both ways. I think this ruling was made with the best intentions, as much as I think that everyone responding to it is doing so with their best intention. Even if we sometimes are getting heated up by various topics, we'll have to remember this: We're all part of this great community!
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| ewe | Feb 28 2017, 02:44 PM Post #54 |
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I don't think giving the discord over to the staff is a good idea... we don't need more rules on the discord. NZ is doing a fine job moderating. |
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| Sinlinara | Feb 28 2017, 02:53 PM Post #55 |
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Of course, I don't think anyone has a problem with people spending a bit of time to mentally prepare before going In-Game. I know that I personally like to walk around Sigil a bit before actually engaging in RP. As long as it's not an unreasonable amount of time and you eventually make your way in-game, I don't see cause for concern there. If I had to guess, I would suspect that the people who should be concerned about this rule effecting them are those who spend hours idling in the OOC room without ever actually going in-game. Also, I have to admit that I really appreciate the cordiality and understanding, McBlight. I cannot express enough how wonderful it is after all that has been said. |
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| DM Slimy Doom | Feb 28 2017, 03:07 PM Post #56 |
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While I'm not going to go into too much discussion here, I'd like to make a bit of clarification. We're trying to discourage idle loitering, not so much valid reasons to be OOC. Helping new players, dying hair, planning a character, outfit customizing, lore... Even like McBlight said, artistic preparation, these are all great reasons for the OOC room, and this isn't what we're trying to prevent. What we are trying to prevent is massive OOC parties involving large amounts of props and spell effects, and players spending upwards of multiple hours in the OOC with no clear intent to go in game. Players with lower end computers do honestly have difficulty loading the area when there's lots of things going on in game. NWN2 isn't the most stable beast to begin with, and our server doubly so. We're not trying to tell you to not do what you need to do. We're just saying that we're not having any more frat parties in the house since you won't clean the chocolate sauce off of the curtains when you're done.
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| rapsam2003 | Feb 28 2017, 04:12 PM Post #57 |
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I think that 1) it's NZ's choice AND 2) on any server where the staff don't moderate the Discord, it turns into a clique-fest. "Oh, well... I, the owner of the server (who isn't a member of the server staff) don't like X-person, so ... screw them." I've seen it happen often enough. Nothing says people can't start their own Discord servers (it's free) for them and their friends. The beautiful thing is, since Discord is free and is relatively light on resources, being part of multiple servers is easy.
So...frat parties in-game are cool? Pssssttt! Sensates, throw more parties. Y'all's factol is basically a Hedonist anyway! |
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| ewe | Feb 28 2017, 04:27 PM Post #58 |
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I guess as doom put it, the rule is so loose that I don't really understand why it needs to be a rule? Like who are the few people who spend 2-6 hours in the ooc room hurting? Can't we just pull the few people who are doing that aside and tell them to politely not do that rather than impose confusing, vague server wide rules on the mass majority that don't do this? |
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| Vesper | Feb 28 2017, 04:55 PM Post #59 |
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I believe that this accomplishes that which I was proposing even better than that which I proposed. Well done, sir. |
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| Gazoo | Feb 28 2017, 05:30 PM Post #60 |
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I just read the announcement:
What's all the uproar about? Seems pretty common sense and simply urges not loitering. Really....does this require any code? Also, half of Sigil has always been "someone with a secret" - whether identity or some backstory...so just shrug and let them have their story IC. |
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